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david starling

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petosiris said:
I said it to Dirius and I will say it again, the non-reversal of the tropical zodiac in the Southern Hemisphere is a pure manifestation of the old European colonialism. To reverse the zodiac is the exact opposite of this racism and injustice!
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That's only with the climatological paradigm you're using.
 
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petosiris

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That's only with the climatological paradigm you're using.
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You have a Northern Hemispherean climatological paradigm behind all zodiacal rulerships that is then transfered into a Southern Hemispherean discordant context, please explain to me how there is nothing wrong.
 
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petosiris

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petosiris said:
The houses, the elevations, the triangles (winds), and the terms that are based on them all have to be reversed based on Ptolemy's tabular exposition from Book I.
Here are Valens and Ptolemy's clear logic on exaltations:

''The so‑called exaltations of the planets have the following explanation. Since the sun, when he is in Aries, is making his transition to the northern and higher semicircle, and in Libra is passing into the southern and lower one, they have fittingly assigned Aries to him as his exaltation, since there the length of the day and the heating power of his nature begin to increase, and Libra as his depression for the opposite reasons.

Saturn again, in order to have a position opposite to sun, as also in the matter of their houses, took, contrariwise, Libra as his exaltation and Aries as his depression. For where heat increases there cold diminishes, and where the former diminishes cold on the contrary increases.'' - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/1B*.html#19

''Venus and Mars “depress” both luminaries because the sun has its exaltation in Aries and its depression in Libra, where it causes the day to become shorter. The moon has its exaltation in Taurus and its depression in Scorpio, where it causes the cosmic disappearance of light.'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf

Now tell me when does the day become shorter in your country?
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The exaltations are climatological theory. You can't simply use the opposite of their logic.
 
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petosiris

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david starling said:
Only because they lived in the Northern Hemisphere.
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You probably meant to say ''Only because they observed the change of heat and moisture for their particular Hemisphere.'' following a logic that would necessitate the complete reversal in the Southern Hemisphere with an intermediate Equatorial region. Right? RIGHT? :mad:
 
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david starling

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petosiris said:
You probably meant to say ''Only because they observed the change of heat and moisture for their particular Hemisphere.'' following a logic that would necessitate the complete reversal in the Southern Hemisphere with an intermediate Equatorial region. Right? RIGHT? :mad:
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Since it's "Lower your blood pressure week", and not arguing with anyone about anything lowers blood pressure, I'll just say, "You know, you're probably right!" Same for Dirius about the personhood of zygotes. :biggrin:
 
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JUPITERASC

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Dubyadude1986 said:
Hey everyone, how is it going?
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petosiris

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Mars in Capricorn wouldn't burn it fast hence why exhalted.
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Just to clarify.

The exaltations originate in Hellenistic astrology. According to Ptolemy, ''Mars, which by nature is fiery and becomes all the more so in Capricorn because in it he is farthest south, naturally received Capricorn as his exaltation, in contrast to Jupiter, and Cancer as his depression.'' - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/1B*.html#19 Ptolemy associates south with the warm winds. The rationale behind Mars being strengthened in Capricorn is confirmed by Manilius, who associates it with a goddess of a hearth.

''In her shrine Vesta tends your fires, Capricorn : and from her you derive your skills and callings. For whatever needs fire to function and demands a renewal of flame for its work must be counted as of your domain. To pry for hidden metals, to smelt out riches deposited in the veins of the earth, to fold sure-handed the malleable mass— these skills will come from you, as will aught which is fashioned of silver or gold. That hot furnaces melt iron and bronze, and ovens give to the wheat its final form, will come as gifts from you. You also give a fondness for clothes and wares which dispel the cold, since your lot falls for all time in winter’s season, wherein you shorten the nights you have brought to their greatest length and give birth to a new year by enlarging the daylight hours.'' - Goold, G. P. (Ed.). (1977). The Loeb Classical Library.: Manilius, Astronomica. Harvard University Press.

He also gives a second argument that Capricorn starts the increase of daylight. Also it is good to note that neither Ptolemy nor Manilius knew Capricorn as an earthy sign, but rather as a watery sign.
 
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