Virgo asc and Scorpio in 3rd house. How am I intellectually?

[lenartz]

I was curious about my intellectual capacities. People say I 'exude' intelligence, by presence and with the way I talk. My top three intelligences are: Verbal/Linguistc, Intrapersonal, and Logical/Mathematical, and I have abysmal Spatial/Visual capabilities (I suck at Physics). Can someone explain all of this for me?

[ImNotThere9]

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[Artemisdaughter]

MC Gemini with Mercury, Sun and Jupiter you are a born communicator and this is what people see Gemini's are born to pass on information and you should do this for career. You need a job where you write or public speaking.
Virgo ascendant has great attention to detail (people might think you are nit picky and very health conscious) and you are a very practical person Moon, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus in 5th in Capricorn you are quite disciplined when it comes to fun, romance, children and such. People also see you as salt of the earth. You solve problems naturally.
You are much more emotional then you let on you consider your friends your family or vice versa and they can wound you easily. You nurture and mother your friends, and they come to you for a shoulder to cry on.
You are motivated/energised by children, acting where you can shine as the star, or creativity, hobby but this lays in your unconscious.
Sometimes you feel forced to choose between children and work.

Hope this helps feedback appreciated.

[astrologer50]

How sure are you of your 'time' virgo is a rather quiet unassuming prescence. I would have expected a Leo Asc to loud and upfront and command attention. I Note you put 5pm, which is rather rare for anyone to be born at the o'clock, half past and quarter to and past. 4mins = 1' on asc. So literally 2mins earlier you could be late Leo Asc

Age 5 was there anyother sibling born? Age 19 did you travel, relocate? go to college or university?
At age 21 now it will be a while before Solar arc mars gets to Asc (8years)

For languages I would look to mercury and in gemini is versatile but only has one major aspect a sextile to mars in 12th, which act behind the scenes and suggests you learnt not to express anger or tantrums as a child due to conditioning from parents. Your venus is opp saturn and saturn is retrograde (going backwards) suggesting you felt unloved, prob by father and he was lacking in some way, either missing or ineffectual.

Your mars is also a singleton ie: only planet in fire element, which your charts lacks this energy..
Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm

You are not a typical gemini either with the opposition to uranus makes you more Aquarian and as your sun is conjunct 11th house cusp is said to be more effective in 11th house of friendships, groups and large oranisations..

your moon opp venus suggests stress from childhood connected to mother.There is a recent thread here you may identify with --

venus square moon
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon

You also have venus opp neptune = romantic over idealising and disillusionment


What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html

Hope this helps

[astrologer50]

Pluto in 3rd House - cadent
· The need to communicate and the tendency to be secretive and silent (Pluto), is a contradiction in terms, yet the two qualities are combined in this placing. Can be dynamic communicators
· Strong bond with siblings or no bond at all. Feel responsible for siblings.
· Get to bottom of anything. With Pluto everything is black or white (not grey)
· Deep thinkers any kind of research. Fight own legal battles.
· Penetrating mind. Strong opinions.Original ideas, friends and partners, will help you realise them.
· You can keep information secret
· Could have scientific ability.

Your pluto is square mars
produces a forceful nature. Often your actions can be described only as reckless. Yet you are cautious and secretive about your projects, especially as you mature and develop. When frustrated, you may become abusive and display much temper. This aspect suggests that your sexual drive is strong, and may not be well controlled at times. This is a very physical aspect needing control and channeling. When you can control actions, this aspect can be positive as it shows a penchant for eliminating, by force, the unacceptable and unnecessary in your life. You can develop a very focused concentration
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/marsaspects.html#maspl

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http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/m...toaspects.html

You also have a see-saw type chart

[lenartz]

Originally Posted by ImNotThere9

I would suggest writing, though I would be doubtful about advocating this, As you mentioned Mathematics as one of your top three intelligences, and much of time I've noted that One with Mathematics as their expertise are abysmal with grammar and spelling, and often One skilled with the written word is abysmal with mathmatics.

Lol, actually I am a writer. My friends tell me I am especially good at conveying emotions through poetry.

Originally Posted by Artemisdaughter

MC Gemini with Mercury, Sun and Jupiter you are a born communicator and this is what people see Gemini's are born to pass on information and you should do this for career. You need a job where you write or public speaking.
Virgo ascendant has great attention to detail (people might think you are nit picky and very health conscious) and you are a very practical person Moon, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus in 5th in Capricorn you are quite disciplined when it comes to fun, romance, children and such. People also see you as salt of the earth. You solve problems naturally.
You are much more emotional then you let on you consider your friends your family or vice versa and they can wound you easily. You nurture and mother your friends, and they come to you for a shoulder to cry on.


Hope this helps feedback appreciated.

Yes, I am rather chatty/talkative. About the Virgo Ascendant though, some things apply to me, and some don't. I look at the big picture. I am much more disciplined now that I was before. Yes, I don't "scream" sensitivity, only to the people that are extremely close to me (there are a few), and people come to me for advice.

Originally Posted by astrologer50

How sure are you of your 'time' virgo is a rather quiet unassuming prescence. I would have expected a Leo Asc to loud and upfront and command attention. I Note you put 5pm, which is rather rare for anyone to be born at the o'clock, half past and quarter to and past. 4mins = 1' on asc. So literally 2mins earlier you could be late Leo Asc

Age 5 was there anyother sibling born? Age 19 did you travel, relocate? go to college or university?
At age 21 now it will be a while before Solar arc mars gets to Asc (8years)

Actually, I am not quite sure about my birth time. My parents told me that I was born around that time. Now that I think about it, I could have been born before that, which would suggest that I am indeed a Leo Ascendant. I'm reading the description of the Leo Ascendant and I'm actually pretty shocked that alot of the stuff there fits me. Some of my friends think I am pompous, that I suffer from a superiority complex, I try to leave an impression and I like to feel influencial. I know that makes me sound like I'm full of myself, but people also tell me I'm very likable. However, there are some things that I can relate with the Virgo Asc. People think I am over-analytical, I don't mind being in the background, and I am nit-picky with alot of things. Ah! I better find my birth certificate to see my correct time of birth! Anyways, thanks for putting that out, Astrologer50!

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Your pluto is square mars
produces a forceful nature. Often your actions can be described only as reckless. Yet you are cautious and secretive about your projects, especially as you mature and develop. When frustrated, you may become abusive and display much temper. This aspect suggests that your sexual drive is strong, and may not be well controlled at times. This is a very physical aspect needing control and channeling. When you can control actions, this aspect can be positive as it shows a penchant for eliminating, by force, the unacceptable and unnecessary in your life. You can develop a very focused concentration on progressive issues
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/marsaspects.html#maspl

http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/marsplutoaspects.html

You also have a see-saw type chart

Most of the things here are true for me. The only thing here that I can't relate with is that my supposedly strong sexual drive. I am not very sexual, although that may be due to the medications I'm on (mood stabilizers for Bipolar Disorder).

[Arian Maverick]

Now that I think about it, I could have been born before that, which would suggest that I am indeed a Leo Ascendant. I'm reading the description of the Leo Ascendant and I'm actually pretty shocked that alot of the stuff there fits me. Some of my friends think I am pompous, that I suffer from a superiority complex, I try to leave an impression and I like to feel influencial. I know that makes me sound like I'm full of myself, but people also tell me I'm very likable

Since we're on the topic of possible Ascendants here, most of the Leo Ascendant individuals I know are quite likable. Indeed, I'd venture to guess that Leo Ascendant individuals exude more warmth and personal magnetism than Virgo Ascendant individuals--although, again, certain natal chart placements may affect this.

It's important to establish your time of birth because a small change in time may affect the placements of the house cusps, as well.

You may wish to read this thread, as well, to help you determine your Ascendant sign: Ascendant Sign Descriptions.

Arian Maverick

[astrologer50]

http://www.cafeastrology.com/risingsignsascendant.html
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-ascendant.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/angles.html
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/zodia_sign.htm
http://www.astrologyzine.com/what-are-rising-sign-traits.shtml
http://www.alwaysastrology.com/rising-signs.html

[junoisuppose]

I'm definitely a virgo asc with scorpio on the 3rd (my time of birth was one of the first things that my astrologer mother asked when she came round from the cesarean) and I have the same intelligences as you according to personality tests.

I came across your thread because I have been looking up Scorpio on the 3rd house on google, and also found the following:

Dana Gerhardt on www.astro.com - " With Sagittarius on the 3rd house cusp, she suggests, an open, easy-going approach might invite communication from others; with Scorpio, reserved or biting and sarcastic speech might discourage easy back-and-forth exchange"

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001583.HTM - "with Scorpio on the cusp of the Third House of communications and perceptions, a fearful parent may have distorted your communication. She or he may have taught you how to use sarcasm to avoid direct expression of your feelings. You may have experienced fear that you would be punished for saying the wrong things. Scorpio's accountability may have been excessively harsh coming from a wounded parent or older sibling. So, you may not trust your own words. You do not communicate at your highest level of potential. You see so much that you are afraid to talk about."

and - "Where others see the obvious you see the hidden undercurrents. Your skills of observation may have been honed in a childhood where you were not encouraged to talk. So you watched and learned more than other children your age. Your words are not mere decorations, space filling or ear candy. You want to be heard as attentively as you listen. Communication is about change, about moving others to feel or see what has been hidden. Finding potency in the sounds, the silence and the nuance empowers your message. The depth of the connection is more important than facts. But, it is useful to remember that sometimes the simple truth is truly simple."

These are certainly true for me - a fearful/wounded parent who discouraged communication and was biting and sarcastic, leading me to be somewhat similar. On the other hand the powers of observation have got me out of dangerous situations while out and about in the neighbourhood, but then again perhaps it is Scorpio on the 3rd that brought me into contact with those negatively Scorpio types in my neighbourhood

I also read this:

http://www.astrologyclub.org/article...mini/third.htm - "Fixed signs retain information for a long time. For example, a person who has Scorpio on the third house cusp with Moon also in that sign and house can remember everything and everyone who ever hurt his feelings and harbors resentment toward them. He talks from his emotions and wants to stir up yours as well. He prefers a heated discussion to superficial pleasantries."

[junoisuppose]

& I also have gemini MC and a gemini career - teaching EFL.

As far as intelligence goes I would also look at which sign your mercury is in, and the www.stariq.com article mentioned above placed quite a bit of emphasis on where mars, as the ruling planet of Scorpio, is by house and sign, so that's something to consider too.

[Lin]

Lenartz: Is there some reason you NEED physics?
Do you feel you are missing something by not excelling in it?
Your chart is full of intelligence, and also the potential for artistic ability.... but you are young, and you have your whole life ahead of you to learn and develop your potentials.
Is there something specific you want to know?
LIN

[poyi]

Originally Posted by junoisuppose

I'm definitely a virgo asc with scorpio on the 3rd (my time of birth was one of the first things that my astrologer mother asked when she came round from the cesarean) and I have the same intelligences as you according to personality tests.

I came across your thread because I have been looking up Scorpio on the 3rd house on google, and also found the following:

Dana Gerhardt on www.astro.com - " With Sagittarius on the 3rd house cusp, she suggests, an open, easy-going approach might invite communication from others; with Scorpio, reserved or biting and sarcastic speech might discourage easy back-and-forth exchange"

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001583.HTM - "with Scorpio on the cusp of the Third House of communications and perceptions, a fearful parent may have distorted your communication. She or he may have taught you how to use sarcasm to avoid direct expression of your feelings. You may have experienced fear that you would be punished for saying the wrong things. Scorpio's accountability may have been excessively harsh coming from a wounded parent or older sibling. So, you may not trust your own words. You do not communicate at your highest level of potential. You see so much that you are afraid to talk about."

and - "Where others see the obvious you see the hidden undercurrents. Your skills of observation may have been honed in a childhood where you were not encouraged to talk. So you watched and learned more than other children your age. Your words are not mere decorations, space filling or ear candy. You want to be heard as attentively as you listen. Communication is about change, about moving others to feel or see what has been hidden. Finding potency in the sounds, the silence and the nuance empowers your message. The depth of the connection is more important than facts. But, it is useful to remember that sometimes the simple truth is truly simple."

These are certainly true for me - a fearful/wounded parent who discouraged communication and was biting and sarcastic, leading me to be somewhat similar. On the other hand the powers of observation have got me out of dangerous situations while out and about in the neighbourhood, but then again perhaps it is Scorpio on the 3rd that brought me into contact with those negatively Scorpio types in my neighbourhood

I also read this:

http://www.astrologyclub.org/article...mini/third.htm - "Fixed signs retain information for a long time. For example, a person who has Scorpio on the third house cusp with Moon also in that sign and house can remember everything and everyone who ever hurt his feelings and harbors resentment toward them. He talks from his emotions and wants to stir up yours as well. He prefers a heated discussion to superficial pleasantries."

I also have Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd house. Everything you said above about childhood are 100%! However over the years I have transformed and now able to express my own feeling freely but I still won't tell my parents anything. And I also have Pluto square Moon...you can't deny that life is pre-desinated, speaking from my personal experiences.

[Prisma]

I'm definitely a virgo asc with scorpio on the 3rd

Me too.

...found the following:

...
http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001583.HTM - "with Scorpio on the cusp of the Third House of communications and perceptions, a fearful parent may have distorted your communication. She or he may have taught you how to use sarcasm to avoid direct expression of your feelings. You may have experienced fear that you would be punished for saying the wrong things. Scorpio's accountability may have been excessively harsh coming from a wounded parent or older sibling. So, you may not trust your own words. You do not communicate at your highest level of potential. You see so much that you are afraid to talk about."

and - "Where others see the obvious you see the hidden undercurrents. Your skills of observation may have been honed in a childhood where you were not encouraged to talk. So you watched and learned more than other children your age. Your words are not mere decorations, space filling or ear candy. You want to be heard as attentively as you listen. Communication is about change, about moving others to feel or see what has been hidden. Finding potency in the sounds, the silence and the nuance empowers your message. The depth of the connection is more important than facts. But, it is useful to remember that sometimes the simple

Yup, this was my childhood too. I most remember been quiet watching everything... later as an adult discovered that my mother thought I was somewhat autistic... Better me having "an issue" than to acknowledge that she was hard, emotionally distant and a force to be feared.

I also read this:

http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/planets_signs_houses/gemini/third.htm - "Fixed signs retain information for a long time..."

Add to that mix a Sun & Merc. Cancer... Yes I remember a lot from past.

By the way, great posts, dear juno...

The reason I quote this is that I wonder how that third house Scorpio, etc., may help me understand what kind of "voice" (literary speaking) I may have. I want to continue to pursue writing, and maybe the placements can help me understand myself and the kind of direction I should go in this creative pursuits.