Can we look at astrology from a scientific point of view?

conspiracy theorist

conspiracy theorist

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HYHOANG said:
The title pretty much explains itself. I am no skeptic, I'm just wondering if there is any way for us to look at astrology and explain it scientifically. Just why does astrology work, and how can it influence our lives, individually and collectively? Also are there any books on this particular topic that I can read on?
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The scientific method can be applied to astrological claims so in that way astrology can be viewed from a scientific point of view. But as far as a "theory on astrological phenomena" there has not been a generally agreed upon conclusion and your guess (or educated guess) would be as good as any. Theories ranging from the linguistic, naturalistic, quantum, occult and psychological have all been proposed and I am sure that the proponents of each have strong reasons why their conception is the best. Yet, the debates rage on.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Gemini888 said:
Do you think Modern kind of revived Trad's ancient knowledge?
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On the contrary, Modernist astrologers deliberatedly obfuscated traditional
because it was declared ILLEGAL
therefore
in order to bypass the law
a garbled version of traditional
morphed by Alan Leo who was desperate to avoid the law
became popular
in the form of newspaper "Sunsign columns"
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Those who revived it started as Modern.
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Traditional was not publicly discussed
traditional texts were studied in secret
while
PUBLICLY a form of Modernist astrology was practised
in fact
there were few if any traditional texts accessible to anyone
except those with access to libraries
i.e.
wealthy people had libraries as a form of prestige
although a few wealthy scholars amassed traditional texts
those were a miniscule minority

and

it was not until very recently that
translations of ancient traditional texts became available
and often quite by chance
for example
Professor Mark Riley of CSU
translated Vettius Valens two thousand year old THE ANTHOLOGY
from Ancient Greek to Modern English
for his maths students
because
Vettius valens THE ANTHOLOGY is a treasure trove of MATHEMATICAL techniques
Professor Riley generoulsy placed a FREE pdf translation online
where anyone may access it FREE

at https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf

previously
Vettius Valens THE ANTHOLOGY
was unavailable to the general public for two thousand years

Alan Leo was unaware of the existence of Vettius Valens THE ANTHOLOGY :smile:
 
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david starling

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JUPITERASC said:
On the contrary, Modernist astrologers deliberatedly obfuscated traditional
because it was declared ILLEGAL
therefore
in order to bypass the law
a garbled version of traditional
morphed by Alan Leo who was desperate to avoid the law
became popular
in the form of newspaper "Sunsign columns"
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Traditional required translations from ancient texts in order to be saved. It was nearly extinct.
 
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david starling

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Modern materialistic scientists refuse to accept any version of astrology as having merit, based on the precepts of the Scientific Method.
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Traditional required translations from ancient texts in order to be saved.
It was nearly extinct.
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On the contrary

translations from ancient texts were not available to the general public :smile:
Traditional was practiced in secret as it was ILLEGAL

it was not until very recently that
translations of ancient traditional texts became available TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
and often quite by chance
for example
Professor Mark Riley of CSU
translated Vettius Valens two thousand year old THE ANTHOLOGY
from Ancient Greek to Modern English
for his maths students
because
Vettius valens THE ANTHOLOGY is a treasure trove of MATHEMATICAL techniques
Professor Riley generoulsy placed a FREE pdf translation online
where anyone may access it FREE

at https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf
 
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david starling

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JUPITERASC said:
On the contrary

translations from ancient texts were not available to the general public :smile:
Traditional was practiced in secret as it was ILLEGAL

it was not until very recently that
translations of ancient traditional texts became available TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
and often quite by chance
for example
Professor Mark Riley of CSU
translated Vettius Valens two thousand year old THE ANTHOLOGY
from Ancient Greek to Modern English
for his maths students
because
Vettius valens THE ANTHOLOGY is a treasure trove of MATHEMATICAL techniques
Professor Riley generoulsy placed a FREE pdf translation online
where anyone may access it FREE

at https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf
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But, without translations from ANCIENT texts, it couldn't have been practiced even in secret. That means it was a no-longer-used practice, saved from extinction in modern times by dedicated scholars.

As for Gacy, there are definitely some red-flags in his Chart from a Modern perspective, which the Moderns chose to ignore. Traditional is far more inclined to doom and gloom than Modern.
It would take more than what a skeptic would consider a lucky guess in one single case to prove astrology works. Any other examples?
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
But, without translations from ANCIENT texts, it couldn't have been practiced

even in secret.
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WRONG - wealthy people owned vast libraries :smile:
and employed scholars familiar with ancient languages
some were astrological scholars
who understood and practised traditional astrology
using ancient translated traditional texts solely for their wealthy clients
only the wealthy could afford traditional astrology
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
That means it was a no-longer-used practice,
saved from extinction
in modern times by dedicated scholars.
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WRONG

for two thousand years

traditional texts were collected in private libraries of the wealthy
accessible only to well-connected and privileged scholars
employed by wealthy people

only scholars were able to read ancient texts
because few could read at all
and even fewer people read ancient Greek and Latin :smile:
AND SO OBVIOUSLY
TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY WAS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
FOR THOSE REASONS

change has occured only very recently
when ancient texts translated from Greek and Latin
and released to the General Public
often quite by chance
for example
Professor Mark Riley of CSU
translated Vettius Valens two thousand year old THE ANTHOLOGY
from Ancient Greek to Modern English
for his maths students
because
Vettius valens THE ANTHOLOGY is a treasure trove of MATHEMATICAL techniques
Professor Riley generoulsy placed a FREE pdf translation online
where anyone may access it FREE

at https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius%20Valens%20entire.pdf
 
wilsontc

wilsontc

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bee discussions go in chat, to All

All,

Please keep bee and and other non-astrological discussions in the Chat Forum. ALL posts on this thread should be DIRECTLY related to astrology.

Back to astrology,

Tim
 
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Ariumbay

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I believe you can look at it as a one giant, overly-complicated clock. There are many hands, and each of them combined shows a different number, which repeats after a very very long time. Many things in nature are rhythmic and happens again and again. Why can't the type of souls/personality of humans?
 
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david starling

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Ariumbay said:
I believe you can look at it as a one giant, overly-complicated clock. There are many hands, and each of them combined shows a different number, which repeats after a very very long time. Many things in nature are rhythmic and happens again and again. Why can't the type of souls/personality of humans?
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How can a clock cause behavior and circumstance?
 
conspiracy theorist

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david starling said:
The clock is a good analogy, but it's timing a force of some kind. Scientifically, the question is, what's the nature of that force? I'm hypothetically going with a cosmic, all-encompassing Magnetic Field Matrix.
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Yes, I've seen you made mention of your theory before on the forum. I don't think that astrology is where the level of causality resides. So personally, I am quicker to rule out naturalistic theories than the others. (Planets cause phenomena). I'm agnostic to all other theories at this point.
 
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