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Unread 05-17-2011, 11:51 PM
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Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

Hi there everybody! I'm new, so nice to meet you all!
I've been studying astrology for the last few months, and I recently discovered that I have a Grand Trine Kite in my chart
with Mars in Cancer, Pluto in Scorpio and Mercury in Pisces.
I've tried reading up a little on this pattern, and I came across somewhere that it can represent defense mechanisms?
and could make the individual more self-contained?
Would you agree? Anyone had any experience with this aspect?
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Re: Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

I think I also have a kite with my water Grand trine. What kind of defense mechanisms are you thinking about?
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Re: Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

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Hi there everybody! I'm new, so nice to meet you all!
I've been studying astrology for the last few months, and I recently discovered that I have a Grand Trine Kite in my chart
with Mars in Cancer, Pluto in Scorpio and Mercury in Pisces.
I've tried reading up a little on this pattern, and I came across somewhere that it can represent defense mechanisms?
and could make the individual more self-contained?
Would you agree? Anyone had any experience with this aspect?
Welcome to AW,

It takes time to learn astrology, so try not to skip or run before you can walk...
Basic astrology
Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.

So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....

Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...

Remember back to your school days an opposition is 180', square 90', trine 120', and sextile 60' Now challenged aspects are conj (depending on the planets, cos some like each other and some really don't) squares and oppositions. Easy aspects are conj (if the planets get along) eg: Jupiter conj Moon, sextile and trine. Quincunx is inbetween (depending on the planets) causes health strains and unresolved or hard to balance planets/energies.


Kite
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
ďWhenever a person has a kite in his chart, he is considered to be more likely to be successful in his endeavours because the opposition will give him the push to go out and conquer the obstacles that are presented to him, and the sextiles will give him a little bit more harmony once he has achieved his goals.Ē
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_aspect
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/aspect-patterns2.html
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_k.htm

age 9 did anyonne die or have any mysterious illnesses?
Age 10 did you have any accidents, broken bones?
Age 16 (two years ago) solar arc MC conj pluto, was there some major transformations in your life?

you also have a retrograde venus
Retrograde planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22923
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-retrograde.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5796&postcount=8
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5861&postcount=10
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Re: Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

Wow! Yeah actually, when I was 9, my grandpa died, which was my first real experience of death.
When I was 10, I got a sprain when I fell off my bike, doing some stunt. I know it doesn't sound like much, but luckily for me that was the worst accident I've ever had!

Iím wondering what transits youíre referring to at 9 and 10?

And 16 was just a pretty messy year all around. One thing that comes to mind in particular was that that was the year that my mom went into hospital. Things looked pretty bad for a while.

Pluto conjunct the MC wouldíve been transiting my 10th house with Pluto in Scorpio. Iíve read that the 10th house is representative of the dominant parent. Iím wondering if this is maybe what it was about?

In my mind, my mother was always VERY Scorpionic, and our relationshipís always been complicated. It was around this time I went back to therapy. I think confronting the possibility of losing her triggered some buried emotions in me. For the first time in my life I was grieving for the relationship that we didn't have, and not just stewing in anger and resentment. At first I tried to "fix" things, mainly by trying to change my mother, but in the end I learned to accept her as she is and take responsibility for myself, which kind of sounds like a Pluto lesson to me?

Hopefully thatís not too much information. Iím still trying to get a feel for posting.

I understand that the release point of the Kite would be Neptune and Uranus on the ascendant. How should I be trying to work with that?

You mentioned Venus Retrograde-- Iím wondering of what significance it is that I have retrograde Venus opposing retrograde Jupiter in my chart.

With a Capricorn asc, Neptune conj. asc. sq. Sun and Venus and Jupiter both retrograde, I feel like Iíve always struggled socially, like things the things that come naturally to other people are just really confusing to me. I don't know how to be light or spontaneous. I read in one of the links that when you have a retrograde planet in opposition to a direct planet it limits the potential for growth and understanding. Is that improved or made worse when both planets are retrograde? (Sorry, should I be putting this in a new thread? :S)

Thanks for the info!
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Re: Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

About the defense mechanisms, to be honest, I really don't know what I mean. I didn’t really have myself in mind when I wrote it. I read it somewhere and thought it was interesting and was hoping somebody else could tell me about their experiences.

For example, in one of the links Astrologer 50 provided it says
“Or, it may provide a feeling of defensiveness or stress related to the element of the Grand Trine signs.”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_k.htm

Looking at my own chart, I can see how a Mercury in Pisces (intuitive thinking, being tuned into emotional undercurrents) could feed into a Mars in Cancer (a drive to nurture?). My Mercury is in the 2nd house of values and it trines Mars in Cancer in the 7th house of relationship. So my best guess would be that the value placed on sensitive communication works in harmony with the drive to nurture in intimate relationships. But I’m really not sure how either of those would connect to a Scorpio in Pluto, being a generational influence.

I just thought it was an interesting configuration and while I can definitely see my T-square at work in my life, I’m having a hard time connecting with the Grand Trine. How do your see the Grand Trine operating in your life?
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Re: Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

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Wow! Yeah actually, when I was 9, my grandpa died, which was my first real experience of death.
When I was 10, I got a sprain when I fell off my bike, doing some stunt. I know it doesn't sound like much, but luckily for me that was the worst accident I've ever had!

I’m wondering what transits you’re referring to at 9 and 10?

And 16 was just a pretty messy year all around. One thing that comes to mind in particular was that that was the year that my mom went into hospital. Things looked pretty bad for a while.

I was simply using a method called solar arcs...

Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

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With a Capricorn asc, Neptune conj. asc. sq. Sun and Venus and Jupiter both retrograde, I feel like I’ve always struggled socially, like things the things that come naturally to other people are just really confusing to me. I don't know how to be light or spontaneous. I read in one of the links that when you have a retrograde planet in opposition to a direct planet it limits the potential for growth and understanding. Is that improved or made worse when both planets are retrograde? (Sorry, should I be putting this in a new thread? :S)


Capricorn and scorpio are what I call the two least sociable signs, cappi cos it's a workaholic and tight with money and scorpio, because it doesn't want other people knowing it's business.

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Ruler of the First House in the Second House
You have a strong desire to accumulate possessions and earning your own money is important to you. What you have, materially speaking, influences your outlook on life. Creating your own sense of liberty and freedom largely depends on how well you handle your financial security issues.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr1
Saturn in 2nd can also suggest a 'fear of poverty'.

Your moon is conj 12th house cusp and well aspected. Were you per chance bit smother loved in childhood? did you need lots of freedom and independence?

You may not appear a typical Aries either as your sun receives two hard aspects from uranus and neptune. This makes you an honorary Aquarius/Uranus type and then pisces/neptune type. this last one can cause bit of identity crisis in teenage years....

I apologise for getting your chart and the second member mixed up. Really they should have started their own thread as it's caused me untold confusions, separating out to whom I was commenting onn.....

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Re: Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

Hi serverus. I haven't come across that idea of the kite representing defence mechanisms, but I think it makes sense. The grand trine can have a kind of stability to it - there is often no excess of energy that pushes one to find constructive channels for the combined expression of the planets involved (like there generally is in, say, a t-square). If you add the tendency of opposition aspects towards conflict, then the stability of the trine could be mobilised against the perceived threat. A more positive expression of the kite formation, which you'be probably also come across, is that the opposition can add dynamism to the grand trine.

Another interesting point about trines which is related to this is that when a grand trine involves very tight orbs, and each planet involved is opposite the midpoint of the other two planets (within say one degree) then this can make for a very dynamic grand trine. this can also be the case to some extent if just one of the planets is opposite the midpoint of the other two, eg Moon at 5 Scorpio, Mercury at 7 Pisces, Jupiter at 9 Cancer would mean that Mercury is exactly opposite the Moon/Jupiter midpoint.

Since your kite formation involves Mars in Cancer and Pluto in Scorpio, defensiveness in some form would be likely, especially with Mars making such a close opposition to Uranus, and with these in turn making a t-square with Sun in Aries!

Out of interest, have you had to battle much with your Father?
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Re: Grand Trine Kite in Water Signs

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I think I also have a kite with my water Grand trine. What kind of defense mechanisms are you thinking about?
Grand trines and kites are easly flowing energies and can cause inertia and possibly laziness...

mars/jupiter are conjunct 2nd house cusp and are more effective in the next house along going anti clockwise.
Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033
Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house”
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4
Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5į before the actual cusp.
http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

This is for 2nd posted chart! not original poster...
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moon is conjunct 6th house cusp. Venus at 13' is conjunct 10th house cusp. saturn, uranus,sun and neptune would all be 11th house. venus pluto would be 9th house, so you could get involved with a foreigner. Venus in detriment is strengthened a bit being conj pluto. Retrograde energies tend to go inwards before coming out and makes it harder to express those energies
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Your chart ruler uranus is conj sun and therefore makes you more Aquarian and then sun conj neptune is what is causing more problems, as it makes it hard for the ego and sun qualities to sun, in fact neptune tends to dissolve things and this could cause an identity crisies in teenage years..

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