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What does 4th house ruler in the 12th house indicates?

What does 4th house ruler in the 12th house indicates? In my birth chart, my 4th house ruler is Mars, which is in the 12th house. I heard that 4th house is about one's mother, or female figures. But what does it mean when it's located in the 12th house? Is it good or bad?
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Re: What does 4th house ruler in the 12th house indicates?

Verbatim from Llewellyn:

"Native's health considerably affected by the parents taking a long journey; he suffers sorrow through one of them; loss of possessions through treachery. End of life in seclusion or devoted to the study of occult subjects"
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Did you travel a lot as a child? Looks like your family traveled around a lot but you didn't understand why or know where you were going. I would also imagine you had a very fiery home life, and your parents were either supportive of you from afar, or didn't care for you that much.
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It's just adding to your chart the possibility to settle in a foreign land. You might discover love for traveling and re-settle somewhere else. Nothing is good nor bad, it just is.
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"Native's health considerably affected by the parents taking a long journey; he suffers sorrow through one of them; loss of possessions through treachery. End of life in seclusion or devoted to the study of occult subjects"
End of life in seclusion? Did you meant that I will die in a mysterious lonely place far away from people when I get old? Can you please explain a little bit in depth?
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End of life in seclusion?
Did you meant that I will die in a mysterious lonely place far away from people when I get old?
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Hi Astrology,

Sorry off-topic, I think you would become a really good teacher or lecturer. I wonder if you have a good academic background. Cheers.
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What does 4th house ruler in the 12th house indicates?
In my birth chart, my 4th house ruler is Mars, which is in the 12th house.
I heard that 4th house is about one's mother, or female figures.
Traditionally, 10th house signifies the mother
as well as many other significations
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But what does it mean when it's located in the 12th house?
Is it good or bad?
That would depend on the SIGN of 4th house ruler
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any aspects to and from 4th house ruler from other natal planets
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Did you travel a lot as a child? Looks like your family traveled around a lot but you didn't understand why or know where you were going. I would also imagine you had a very fiery home life, and your parents were either supportive of you from afar, or didn't care for you that much.
Yes. In fact, I was born in South Korea. But I was raised and educated in China. My mother used to take me with her and travel to South Korea like twice each year back and forth, back and forth for about 10 years. And then, I came to the US when I was almost 11 years old, until now. I don't really understand the last part where you were claiming about the fiery home life. What did you meant when you were saying fiery home life? That my parents were fierce and abusive when I was still a child or what? Can you please explain a little bit more in depth for that? By the way, I never really lived with my father, he stayed in South Korea his whole life, ever since I was born, my mother took me to China and I didn't even see my father that much. He has never been there for me when I was young, and he hated when I got sick because when I was still a kid, I always got sick, like cold, fever, and he would always got mad at me for being physically weak. He was a very traditional man, he always wanted a son, he was very disappointed at the day that I was born, just because I was a girl, not a boy. But those sorrows were gone now, I stopped/ended my relationship with him several years ago. Right now, I work and study because I'm already an adult and I believe that I must be independent and stop relying on others, even if he/she is my family member. Because parents cannot stay with their children in children's whole lifetime. And that's why I overcame that hardship before when I was young.
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Sorry off-topic, I think you would become a really good teacher or lecturer. I wonder if you have a good academic background. Cheers.
Teacher or lecturer? Based on what astrological aspects/placements?
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Yes. In fact, I was born in South Korea. But I was raised and educated in China. My mother used to take me with her and travel to South Korea like twice each year back and forth, back and forth for about 10 years. And then, I came to the US when I was almost 11 years old, until now. I don't really understand the last part where you were claiming about the fiery home life.

What did you meant when you were saying fiery home life?

That my parents were fierce and abusive when I was still a child or what? Can you please explain a little bit more in depth for that?
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Mars is considered a fiery planet

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By the way, I never really lived with my father, he stayed in South Korea his whole life, ever since I was born, my mother took me to China and I didn't even see my father that much. He has never been there for me when I was young, and he hated when I got sick because when I was still a kid, I always got sick, like cold, fever, and he would always got mad at me for being physically weak. He was a very traditional man, he always wanted a son, he was very disappointed at the day that I was born, just because I was a girl, not a boy. But those sorrows were gone now, I stopped/ended my relationship with him several years ago. Right now, I work and study because I'm already an adult and I believe that I must be independent and stop relying on others, even if he/she is my family member. Because parents cannot stay with their children in children's whole lifetime. And that's why I overcame that hardship before when I was young.
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Teacher or lecturer?
Based on what astrological aspects/placements?
Seems Sun is correct and you either taught or lectured
would be useful if you would clarify which
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Your Mercury is culminating at angle. Mercury is high in the sky when you were born and it's also sect team. It's all signifying your Mercury is in good dignity, and it pertains career such as teacher, lecturer/profesors, marketing, astrologer, interpreter, mathematician, etc. From monolithic measurement, Mercury is domiciled in its own house.

As JUPITERASC alluded, 10th house is the house of mother. Seems like your mother is much more younger than your father. Just guessing. Cheers.
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Hi,
Your Mercury is culminating at angle. Mercury is high in the sky when you were born and it's also sect team. It's all signifying your Mercury is in good dignity, and it pertains career such as teacher, lecturer/profesors, marketing, astrologer, interpreter, mathematician, etc. From monolithic measurement, Mercury is domiciled in its own house.

As JUPITERASC alluded, 10th house is the house of mother. Seems like your mother is much more younger than your father. Just guessing. Cheers.
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Your Mercury is culminating at angle. Mercury is high in the sky when you were born and it's also sect team. It's all signifying your Mercury is in good dignity, and it pertains career such as teacher, lecturer/profesors, marketing, astrologer, interpreter, mathematician, etc. From monolithic measurement, Mercury is domiciled in its own house.

As JUPITERASC alluded, 10th house is the house of mother. Seems like your mother is much more younger than your father. Just guessing. Cheers.
Wow. That's interesting. But my mother isn't that much younger than my father, only 6 years younger than him. And it's so interesting to know about my ideal careers just based on my Mercury. Before, I was worried about one of my Mercury aspects, since I have Mercury square Uranus, I heard that squares are bad. I even heard that people with Mercury square Uranus often don't do well in schools and that they like to cause troubles in schools, they don't like schools and the teaching system. Now I feel better about my Mercury.
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Wow. That's interesting.

But my mother isn't that much younger than my father, only 6 years younger than him.
Good job Sun
- mother is six years younger than father as you correctly thought
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And it's so interesting to know about my ideal careers just based on my Mercury.
Before, I was worried about one of my Mercury aspects, since
I have Mercury square Uranus, I heard that squares are bad.
I even heard that people with Mercury square Uranus
often don't do well in schools
and that they like to cause troubles in schools, they
don't like schools and the teaching system.
Now I feel better about my Mercury.
so confirmation of Suns thinking you may have been a teacher
or a lecturer would be helpful
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so confirmation of Suns thinking you may have been a teacher
or a lecturer would be helpful
Pretty much everything Suns claimed were right except that I've never been a teacher or lecturer. I'm still working on getting my degree right now. My goal is to become a mathematician. I'm strongly interested in mathematics. And my Mercury shows that as what Suns said/claimed, which is right. Many people suggested/recommended me to become a math teacher when I was young. At that time, I thought it was funny and odd. And I also have Mercury square Neptune in my birth chart, just like/similar to Mercury square Uranus, which is bad, I think. And what does this mean/indicate about my career? Because I have Mercury in the 10th house in my birth chart. What does Mercury square Neptune say/indicate about my career?
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Lord of 4th in 12th...what does it mean?

Well, Llewellyn gave us some pointers. But these ideas, or possibilities, should be confirmed or substantiated independently by other chart factors.

For example, Jupiter in 12 suggests living in seclusion.
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Pretty much everything Suns claimed were right
except that I've never been a teacher or lecturer.
I'm still working on getting my degree right now.
My goal is to become a mathematician.
I'm strongly interested in mathematics.
And my Mercury shows that as what Suns said/claimed, which is right.
Many people suggested/recommended me
to become a math teacher when I was young.
At that time, I thought it was funny and odd.
Thank you for the confirmation pretty much everything Sun said is correct
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Hello, you have a Sun in 10th and Moon in 2nd that is good

It means a Good psychology

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Lord of 4th in 12th...what does it mean?

Well, Llewellyn gave us some pointers. But these ideas, or possibilities, should be confirmed or substantiated independently by other chart factors.

For example, Jupiter in 12 suggests living in seclusion.
I also have Mars in the 12th house too. Does that mean/indicate living in seclusion also?
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I also have Mars in the 12th house too.

Does that mean/indicate living in seclusion also?
not necessarily
12th house signification includes hidden enemies
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12th house signification includes hidden enemies
So I have lots(countless) of hidden enemies in my life?
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So I have lots(countless) of hidden enemies in my life?
no one said "countless"
to be realistic
keep in mind that many of us have enemies
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