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Re: what's an indicator of low intelligence in a chart?

Frank's website has an article discussing this information:

https://proastrologer.com/2013/04/14...-intelligence/


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Have you heard of the phrase they say "if the chart doesn't promise something then it won't happen no matter what?

Transits affect you based on your natal chart otherwise they would affect all of us the same. They don't change who you actually are. A person with a low intelligence won't become a genius because Transit Uranus conjuncted his/her Mercury. It will be maybe the period he/she will reach his highest potential.
I agree with the above, but what happens when the chart promises something and it doesn't happen? How do you know just looking at a natal chart that a person didn't have a really tough transit during her early years (esp if the transit is made by "planets" overlooked by some astrologers). A psychological traumatized person can reach her maximum potential? Most don't?

Something I learned from sport astrology is that a soccer match can be correctly predicted using just the event chart in less than 75% of the cases. If you use one chart for each half time accuracy increases, if you see the match chart progressing minute by minute accuracy is so high that you'd probably earn lots of money predicting exact score. IMO astrology works the same in events and natal charts. You need to check "transits" to make sure the "promise" will materialize.
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Frank's website has an article discussing this information:

https://proastrologer.com/2013/04/14...-intelligence/
I realized after the fact that Frank was the originator of the same study that LT linked me a few pages prior. It goes to show how selective one's attention can be and how being truly objective is so difficult - she skipped over the fact that Pisces Mercury (which is seen as a weak placement according to evolving) were correlated the most with the Mensa members and picked the one aspect that confirmed her thoughts. (which nobody was actually disputing - it's established that Merc/Uranus contributes to intelligence. What is surprising are the counter-intuitive examples and looking at them more closely is what will broaden our understanding of what is truly going on in the "intelligent" persons mind.)

Also that having a Gemini Mercury is actually negatively correlated with membership. That finding reminds me of this article - Mercury in Gemini, Mercury in Virgo. Not necessarily strong for the intellect

Come on folks. Are we trying to win or are we trying to advance our knowledge?
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Of course generational aspects can be a blessing or a nightmare, but only those who have the aspect prominent can make the best or the worst of these placements. And as traditionalists recognize, astrological placements need to be read in context (bedrock reality?). What if Michael Jackson's father had died a few years after the former was born? (Well, some people believe events are fated so they would say that that wasn't a possibility). Let's suppose that happened, I don't think MJs success would have been the same without his "demanding" father presence during his formative years.
And unsurprisingly, he has an aspect that speaks precisely to the demanding father figure presence in his life - Sun conjunct Pluto. The charts for him on asro.com are ranked DD so they are unreliable (permeating the whole life due to its "loudness") , but both charts happen to have that Sun-Pluto angular, and the Pisces Rising one has the bonus of having Saturn conjunct the MC - another aspect that could describe the oppressive home situation. (And also his public fall from grace)
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Please stop with the personal attacks and stick to astrology. I have deleted the attacking posts and the responses to attacking posts.

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I'm so f*cking happy each time I'm guessing things especially when I don't know someone. It doesn't matter if I've done it a billion times it will always make me happy.

My question of your sex wasn't coincidental.

I thought that you might be a male with a weak mars, if you were a woman with a weak Mars I wouldn't care.

Aries is too obvious in your case and I'm guessing Jupiter magnifies it since it's in the 1st H. ASC being what you first get to know when you meet someone.

I can't say I'm exactly surprised that you have a Piscean Moon just because of the dislike you have for water Moons (the thread with Cap Moon girl coming into my mind).

However I kind of guessed that you didn't have incompatible signs with mine because no matter how much the way you come off is a rude, stubborn imo I didn't really disliked you, I kind of sensed that you're better than what you seem to be. Thinking about it I should have guessed that your ASC is in Aries without actually thinking it might be your Moon.

So your ASC being in Aries gives the wrong impression which your weak Mars may like but it doesn't do you any favors.

Actually it's Jupiter that ruins it since it makes hard aspects in your 1st H
Wow, I take it you must be really advanced in astrology then, how did you get so into it?

How exactly did you know that I had a weak mars though? I can see how you would guess all the other stuff right given your explanations of how you did, of course.

Well the way one communicates is only dependent on how they think, and our emotions (moon) heavily influences our thoughts and thinking (mercury), so the way I responded was definitely proof of that. My moon is conjunct my ASC though, so that might have been you just getting mixed signals there.
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Notice that Frank said "so far". Not sure how far gone he is all these years after the fact.

But this was the crux of the issue for me - an individual made a claim about a placement and he was proven wrong by way of examples of real people and not by sophistry. And here is someone who actually has done some level of research into the phenomena and have found the exact opposite pattern hold - There seem to be a lot of Mensa level people who have a wretched water mercury and the worst one at that. And there is no pesky issue of eminence clouding the results.
Here's your problem. You keep ignoring the fact that those Mensa level people who have what you call a "weak" mercury have really good moon signs.

What everyone seems to forget or just not realize is that moon and mercury are the only planets that determine how we think, every other placement in the natal chart is either a planet that influences how we think, or just a planet that represents the results we achieve from our actions and thinking or a planet that represents how we are doing in a certain area of life, as expressed as an overall synopsis.

However there is ONE exception to this rule, that being the ASC, as the ASC is what determines how our body is physically as a whole, no other planet dictates this either. So if you were born with a aries ASC like me, you will have, one way or another, lots of physical/bodily energy, regardless of aspects as well, since the sign the ASC is in overrides the aspects it has in terms of importance and dominance.

So even if my Mars is in Aries and only has one aspect, that being square saturn, (which lowers whatever it touches), the mars is still in aries and so no matter what the mars is more representative of aries than it is saturn, even with saturns aspect in the way, this is true even for conjunctions or any aspect.

So the ASC is the only planet that determines our physical looks, every other planet either has an influence over your physical looks and/or is what we can call a representation of how we might look. Venus is the planet that dictates how attractive we are as much as it is how we express that attractiveness, so it does influence how attractive we are, but this doesnt mean it does this by at all determining how our body is physically, since again only our ASC can determine our body, not even mars (which is very similar to ASC) does this. And mars is the opposite of venus too, which just further proves my point.

What this shows is that ASC can determine how we think, because it determines how our body is, and is the only planet that does this. In other words, venus determines attractiveness but not through it determining how our body is anyways. Only ASC can do that.


So if our ASC has some sort of aspect that makes the person's body have some type of deformation of a certain body part or organ, such as the brain, our thinking can be heavily influenced by that as a result. So thats the ONLY way the ASC can determine out thinking. I have another example, me. I was born with an aries ASC, which translates to lots of bodily energy, however the only way the human body can replicate that is for the human body to naturally have been built in a way that ensures this is true.

This is why I was born with a fast metabolism, which basically means I digest food wayyyyy faster than a normal stomach should, which means I convert that food into energy very quick. This represents my ASC well, as aries is the sign of energy.

However, as a negative side effect, I experience severe hunger pains, since that food is digested and no longer in my stomach to fill it up. This negatively impacts my thinking (my mercury) as badly as my emotions (my moon) does.


With that in mind, we can now see that the only thing we have to do to understand how strong a person is socially is by looking at there three planets that can possibly dictate there thinking; the moon, the mercury, and the ASC. And of course we must consider all the aspects too, however the houses don't dictate the thinking of the two planets though, while the aspects to the placements do. This is because the houses only dictate what area of life we will end up using the placements in, nothing more, nothing less.


So those who have displayed intelligence of Mensa, well lets just say they are that smart because either their moons are strong and/or their mercurys are as well, and their ASC determine there bodies, which can influence the thoughts and emotions through bodily conditions such as bad influences, like deformations, or good influences, such as lots of bodily energy. Which in turn will have it's effects as well.

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I understand your thought process. However -

How would you be able to measure 5% of difference between those different elements of Mercury? How would you be able to isolate the various other considerations that are having an effect on Mercury? Why 5% anyway? Why not 12%? Why not 14.57% Why does it have to be a real number?

And the time sensitivity thing is one of the reasons why that elemental "rule" looked iffy. And why the ascendant and moon were also looked at for mental/character delineation all these years.

Also, I think due to the immense amount of syncretism during astrology's development that what we get is a mishmash of different traditions surviving to this day - some of which are totally at odds with one another. I don't personally know how relevant or useful planetary friendships are to delineation when it actually matters.
5 percent is more of an estimate. It could of course be more. I'm not a statistician researcher. i wish to become something like that someday. But what I'm trying to do mercury's sign should be vital but insignificant when assessing the whole picture.
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I understand your thought process. However -

How would you be able to measure 5% of difference between those different elements of Mercury? How would you be able to isolate the various other considerations that are having an effect on Mercury? Why 5% anyway? Why not 12%? Why not 14.57% Why does it have to be a real number?

And the time sensitivity thing is one of the reasons why that elemental "rule" looked iffy. And why the ascendant and moon were also looked at for mental/character delineation all these years.

Also, I think due to the immense amount of syncretism during astrology's development that what we get is a mishmash of different traditions surviving to this day - some of which are totally at odds with one another. I don't personally know how relevant or useful planetary friendships are to delineation when it actually matters.
"I have been looking at legendary scientists or just those that are said to have a high IQ, this is what I have found.

3rd house mercury in gemini or aquarius.
eg thomas edison and nikola tesla has a third house mercury
thomas edison mercury in aquarius and nikola tesla mercury in gemini

Ung Yong Kim has mercury in aquarius

Mercury conjunct saturn
I know I was surprised too, but a lot of them seem to have this aspect.
eg Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, Ung Yong Kim(said to have the highest IQ in the world-has a lot of achievements at an early age)
Isaac Newton has the square between mercury and saturn. Stephen Hawking has the trine.

This one I was really surprised because of the fact that capricorn is not always a sign associated with intelligence. But then again saturn is the co-ruler of aquarius and also this could mean that they have the ability to discipline their minds to actually learn, unlike gemini and aquarius energies that activate curiosity and progressive ideas.

Mercury in aspect to uranus-which is no surprise there.
eg Stephen Hawking, Ung Yong Kim, Benjamin Yantanyahu(said to have a high IQ, Albert Einstein had the inconjunction. Thomas Edison who did not have mercury in aspect to uranus, had mercury in aquarius.

There also seems to be 3rd house and 10th house activity. Which comes to no surprise(3rd house being the house of gemini and 10th house being the house of careers -and many of them are in 'smart' fields)

10th house mercury-albert einstein. Benjamin Netanyahu. (including him does not convey my thoughts and opinions about the israel-palestine issue-so I don't want to hear comments about that-this is not political)


Mercury also aspects the ascendent or the sun.

I have observed actors and actresses said to have a high IQ-they didn't have these markers-reason for that could be because they didn't enter scientific or revolutionary fields.

So to sum it off, I think whatever aspects the mercury influence the way you think or learn. However, unless you have 10th house mercury energies, or even prominant aspects from mercury to sun, ascendent, you will not be KNOWN for your intelligence or become a famous scientist/mathematician

For those of you that have mercury with saturn, uranus, and with whatever else planet, one of your goals in this life time here is to learn how to learn effectively in regards to that planet.

For example, mercury-uranus-learn to apply what you learned to the real world-and form ideas of how this knowledge can be used, be creative with it. Maybe convey and teach the content to others in a very eccentric ways with interesting imaginary stories related to the content.

Mercury-mars-application, hands on, how you actually apply the information that you learnt.

Mercury-neptune, make a story, us imagination to form a story that relates to the content/information
or roleplay
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Merury-saturn-plan how you are going to study, repeatedly memorize the content that you must know, but also form connections to words that will help you remember things better. Also learn how to discriminate and undergo the process of elimination when you need to like in the case of multiple choice questions.




-This is a thread I created earlier


As you can see, many of the greatest scientists had mercury in gemini, or aquarius, mercury with saturn/uranus, and a 3rd house emphasis so for me it only seemed intuitive that mercury in those signs would create intelligence.

But I've also seen an occurence of people with high iqs that don't do innovations in science, to have mercury in other signs. Also what was the basis of older astrologers claiming that certain signs produce more intelligence?

Now mercury in pisces is quite the finding and I one hundred percent agree with you. But the findings still baffle me how what's seen as naturally intelligent does show up, but also what's seen as 'dumb' also shows up in some ways or the other.

For example, the quintile seems to be a sign of talent, uranus is considered the higher octave of mercury, and it's innovation. Mercury is one part of the mind at least and it being quintile uranus definitely as a sentence reads as this person will have an innovative mind. And this aspect does show up in fact in geniuses. However, so does what's deemed as weak/debilitated.

I find that amusing and odd and I wish I could find an explanation lol.
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Here's your problem. You keep ignoring the fact that those Mensa level people who have what you call a "weak" mercury have really good moon signs.

What everyone seems to forget or just not realize is that moon and mercury are the only planets that determine how we think, every other placement in the natal chart is either a planet that influences how we think, or just a planet that represents the results we achieve from our actions and thinking or a planet that represents how we are doing in a certain area of life, as expressed as an overall synopsis.

However there is ONE exception to this rule, that being the ASC, as the ASC is what determines how our body is physically as a whole, no other planet dictates this either. So if you were born with a aries ASC like me, you will have, one way or another, lots of physical/bodily energy, regardless of aspects as well, since the sign the ASC is in overrides the aspects it has in terms of importance and dominance.

So even if my Mars is in Aries and only has one aspect, that being square saturn, (which lowers whatever it touches), the mars is still in aries and so no matter what the mars is more representative of aries than it is saturn, even with saturns aspect in the way, this is true even for conjunctions or any aspect.

So the ASC is the only planet that determines our physical looks, every other planet either has an influence over your physical looks and/or is what we can call a representation of how we might look. Venus is the planet that dictates how attractive we are as much as it is how we express that attractiveness, so it does influence how attractive we are, but this doesnt mean it does this by at all determining how our body is physically, since again only our ASC can determine our body, not even mars (which is very similar to ASC) does this. And mars is the opposite of venus too, which just further proves my point.

What this shows is that ASC can determine how we think, because it determines how our body is, and is the only planet that does this. In other words, venus determines attractiveness but not through it determining how our body is anyways. Only ASC can do that.


So if our ASC has some sort of aspect that makes the person's body have some type of deformation of a certain body part or organ, such as the brain, our thinking can be heavily influenced by that as a result. So thats the ONLY way the ASC can determine out thinking. I have another example, me. I was born with an aries ASC, which translates to lots of bodily energy, however the only way the human body can replicate that is for the human body to naturally have been built in a way that ensures this is true.

This is why I was born with a fast metabolism, which basically means I digest food wayyyyy faster than a normal stomach should, which means I convert that food into energy very quick. This represents my ASC well, as aries is the sign of energy.

However, as a negative side effect, I experience severe hunger pains, since that food is digested and no longer in my stomach to fill it up. This negatively impacts my thinking (my mercury) as badly as my emotions (my moon) does.


With that in mind, we can now see that the only thing we have to do to understand how strong a person is socially is by looking at there three planets that can possibly dictate there thinking; the moon, the mercury, and the ASC. And of course we must consider all the aspects too, however the houses don't dictate the thinking of the two planets though, while the aspects to the placements do. This is because the houses only dictate what area of life we will end up using the placements in, nothing more, nothing less.


So those who have displayed intelligence of Mensa, well lets just say they are that smart because either their moons are strong and/or their mercurys are as well, and their ASC determine there bodies, which can influence the thoughts and emotions through bodily conditions such as bad influences, like deformations, or good influences, such as lots of bodily energy. Which in turn will have it's effects as well.
Question: what do you call a strong moon? Moon in taurus or moon in aquarius. Astrologers would claim moon in taurus are exalted, but aquarius is smart and detached?

So asc plays a role or nah?
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And unsurprisingly, he has an aspect that speaks precisely to the demanding father figure presence in his life - Sun conjunct Pluto. The charts for him on asro.com are ranked DD so they are unreliable (permeating the whole life due to its "loudness") , but both charts happen to have that Sun-Pluto angular, and the Pisces Rising one has the bonus of having Saturn conjunct the MC - another aspect that could describe the oppressive home situation. (And also his public fall from grace)
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"I'm sick of this whole everything must be fair and equal and taboo truths must not be brought forward mentality."


I'm not sure where this came from tho. You're not saying anything taboo, that would be giving you too much credit
This whole some people are smarter than others or have particular intellectual abilities will definitely hit a nerve to some people.

So in that regard, it can be taboo or an uncomfortable topic. I'm taking that much credit as I please.
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This whole some people are smarter than others or have particular intellectual abilities will definitely hit a nerve to some people.

So in that regard, it can be taboo or an uncomfortable topic. I'm taking that much credit as I please.
Nobody in this thread had an issue with that notion, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning it. I for sure didn't

CT didn't either

If that's what you got, you missed the point

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Nobody in this thread had an issue with that notion, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning it. I for sure didn't

CT didn't either

If that's what you got, you missed the point
That's what I got from you. I never said conspiracy theorist did. If you haven't noticed, everyone in this forum does in fact think there is such a thing as IQ or intelligence. The only thing being debated is what in one's chart indicates intelligence.

You're deflecting and using the other people who all agree there is an IQ as a source to argue against me without trying to reason with me. You're appealing to group think and that too you're wrongly doing it as well. Clearly, this contrast of some having greater intelligence than others is triggering you. Otherwise you would at least try to meet me half way and at least acknowledge that it is meaningful although there is variation, and it is not the most important thing in life?

Tell me why they found that administering micronutrients in countries and fortifying food with certain types of micronutrients lead to a higher IQ ?

Why do neuroscientists theorize and use the frontal cortex, and temperal cortex as a source for IQ-increased working memory, or even the dopaminergic system in the brain?

You can't answer these questions can you?

And knowing you, you'll probably bring up the former, not the lattar and try and argue against me about something so futile, now that is meaningful. Why don't you quote and tackle what I say about IQ, instead of getting defensive at me pointing out that the very fact that there is variation in "intelligence/IQ" triggers and bothers you which may just be a guess at the very best.
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That's what I got from you. I never said conspiracy theorist did. If you haven't noticed, everyone in this forum does in fact think there is such a thing as IQ or intelligence. The only thing being debated is what in one's chart indicates intelligence.

You're deflecting and using the other people who all agree there is an IQ as a source to argue against me without trying to reason with me. You're appealing to group think and that too you're wrongly doing it as well. Clearly, this contrast of some having greater intelligence than others is triggering you. Otherwise you would at least try to meet me half way and at least acknowledge that it is meaningful although there is variation, and it is not the most important thing in life?

Tell me why they found that administering micronutrients in countries and fortifying food with certain types of micronutrients lead to a higher IQ ?

Why do neuroscientists theorize and use the frontal cortex, and temperal cortex as a source for IQ-increased working memory, or even the dopaminergic system in the brain?

You can't answer these questions can you?

And knowing you, you'll probably bring up the former, not the lattar and try and argue against me about something so futile, now that is meaningful. Why don't you quote and tackle what I say about IQ, instead of getting defensive at me pointing out that the very fact that there is variation in "intelligence/IQ" triggers and bothers you which may just be a guess at the very best.
You're trying to read me, but your intuition is way off. It needs fine tuning

No, I never had an issue with the notion some people are more intelligent than others. I had an issue with the notion that IQ tests are the proper way to identify intelligence

I can answer those questions, but you're not gonna like the answer because you're stuck in a very restrictive plane of existence
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That's what I got from you. I never said conspiracy theorist did. If you haven't noticed, everyone in this forum does in fact think there is such a thing as IQ or intelligence. The only thing being debated is what in one's chart indicates intelligence.
What I'm arguing is that IQ isn't a proper measurement of intelligence. It's more intangible

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You're deflecting and using the other people who all agree there is an IQ as a source to argue against me without trying to reason with me. You're appealing to group think and that too you're wrongly doing it as well. Clearly, this contrast of some having greater intelligence than others is triggering you. Otherwise you would at least try to meet me half way and at least acknowledge that it is meaningful although there is variation, and it is not the most important thing in life?
If anyone's 'deflecting, it's you because you've failed to actually answer any of the questions I asked or prove the assertions you made. Group think? You're participating in 'group think' going with the conventional thought that IQ tests are actually proper measurements of intelligence. My point is they have no place in a discussion of intelligence


No I was never triggered by that. If you picked that up, I think you must be projecting. Some people are more intelligent, but IQ has nothing to do with it

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Again, my argument is that IQ does not equal intelligence, not that ""IQ"" doesn't exist as a means of measuring what a few people deem intelligence
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Because they're working with a manmade notion of IQ ?

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You can't answer these questions can you?

And knowing you, you'll probably bring up the former, not the lattar and try and argue against me about something so futile, now that is meaningful. Why don't you quote and tackle what I say about IQ, instead of getting defensive at me pointing out that the very fact that there is variation in "intelligence/IQ" triggers and bothers you which may just be a guess at the very best.
And knowing you you'll continue to not answer any of my questions or prove your assertions

I never got defensive. Again, you must be projecting. You got defensive
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Anyone who can think for themselves or properly use their intuition doesn't need a bunch of sources to guide their thinking. That's conforming to conventional thought. I'm beyond that plane, you're stuck in it, that's why this isn't gonna go anywhere
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Question: what do you call a strong moon? Moon in taurus or moon in aquarius. Astrologers would claim moon in taurus are exalted, but aquarius is smart and detached?

So asc plays a role or nah?
Like I have both directly and indirectly said in this thread countless times, the more emotional strength that the moon possesses, the stronger it is overall, as more positive emotions = more positive thinking which results in more success for the user. Whereas the less emotional strength that the moon possesses, the weaker it is overall, as it will only bring about negative thinking and effects for the user.

The only elements that grant natural emotional strength are earth, air, and fire. Water cant, because it is the element of sensitivity which is due to the element only being emotions.

Why do you ask?
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Anyone who can think for themselves or properly use their intuition doesn't need a bunch of sources to guide their thinking. That's conforming to conventional thought. I'm beyond that plane, you're stuck in it, that's why this isn't gonna go anywhere
Most of your replies are either deflection or personal attacks. Although my replies do involve personal attacks, I do admit the observations are falsifyable(unlike you who make absolute claims and probably don't even know what this term means) and a large proporion of my replies include arguments, explainations and sources. You don't want to argue back because you have nothing, no sources, no logical framework to back up your claims/anecdotal opinion. If everyone used falsifyable intuition to make judgments and say sources, logic and rationale are "conventional" thought, our civilization or past civilizations wouldn't be where they are today or were yesterday. We would make more mistakes and we'd fade into oblivion. Intuition is nice by all means but without logic, and rationale, it's useless and needs to stay within the realms of art; and care taking. And on a side note I use personal attacks to either annoy the recipient when they don't argue back with an appropriate argument. And much of my attacks on CT was a joke as was his and we have come to a proper agreement because he and I at least looks at what tell other says in depth and considers it unlike you whose been repeating the same statement of "iq is not an indicator of intelligence and it is meaningless" and personal attacks and nothing aside from that.
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Like I have both directly and indirectly said in this thread countless times, the more emotional strength that the moon possesses, the stronger it is overall, as more positive emotions = more positive thinking which results in more success for the user. Whereas the less emotional strength that the moon possesses, the weaker it is overall, as it will only bring about negative thinking and effects for the user.

The only elements that grant natural emotional strength are earth, air, and fire. Water cant, because it is the element of sensitivity which is due to the element only being emotions.

Why do you ask?
Here's another perspective


water is intuition, having your moon in a water sign is one of the most intuitive placements you can have, imo


Emotional strength comes from grappling with emotions so if water is emotion, then water grants propensity for emotional strength
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Like I have both directly and indirectly said in this thread countless times, the more emotional strength that the moon possesses, the stronger it is overall, as more positive emotions = more positive thinking which results in more success for the user. Whereas the less emotional strength that the moon possesses, the weaker it is overall, as it will only bring about negative thinking and effects for the user.

The only elements that grant natural emotional strength are earth, air, and fire. Water cant, because it is the element of sensitivity which is due to the element only being emotions.

Why do you ask?
Lol tone down the arrogance a little. Came back to this forum a little late. Why is moon in Aquarius smarter and came in more in the study than moon in Taurus if it's supposed to be grounded, exalted according to astrology and emotionally stable?
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Like I have both directly and indirectly said in this thread countless times, the more emotional strength that the moon possesses, the stronger it is overall, as more positive emotions = more positive thinking which results in more success for the user. Whereas the less emotional strength that the moon possesses, the weaker it is overall, as it will only bring about negative thinking and effects for the user.

The only elements that grant natural emotional strength are earth, air, and fire. Water cant, because it is the element of sensitivity which is due to the element only being emotions.

Why do you ask?
Hi evolving, would you consider a cancer moon opposite a capricorn mars, a weak moon?
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Most of your replies are either deflection or personal attacks. Although my replies do involve personal attacks, I do admit the observations are falsifyable(unlike you who make absolute claims and probably don't even know what this term means) and a large proporion of my replies include arguments, explainations and sources. You don't want to argue back because you have nothing, no sources, no logical framework to back up your claims/anecdotal opinion. If everyone used falsifyable intuition to make judgments and say sources, logic and rationale are "conventional" thought, our civilization or past civilizations wouldn't be where they are today or were yesterday. We would make more mistakes and we'd fade into oblivion. Intuition is nice by all means but without logic, and rationale, it's useless and needs to stay within the realms of art; and care taking. And on a side note I use personal attacks to either annoy the recipient when they don't argue back with an appropriate argument. And much of my attacks on CT was a joke as was his and we have come to a proper agreement because he and I at least looks at what tell other says in depth and considers it unlike you whose been repeating the same statement of "iq is not an indicator of intelligence" and personal attacks and nothing aside from that.
No they weren't deflection or personal attacks. I was trying to get real answers from you which you could not provide. At one point, you made an assertion, I asked you for evidence. The burden of proof was on you at that point. You weren't able to back yourself up or sufficiently answer my question

And look around. Civilization is corrupt and in shambles because we lost our source, our intuition. Ancients used intution and were far more advanced than we are. Science is JUST now catching up to what mystics have known for hundreds of years

Logic and rationality are useful, but society in modern times overrelies on them and it prevents them from getting to the truth

I was never deflecting or attacking you, you just don't like what I'm saying

I've been repeating it because you are continuously unable to prove your assertion that IQ can predict who will make great scientific innovations
I considered what you said, but you were unable to back yourself up
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Most of your replies are either deflection or personal attacks. Although my replies do involve personal attacks, I do admit the observations are falsifyable(unlike you who make absolute claims and probably don't even know what this term means) and a large proporion of my replies include arguments, explainations and sources. You don't want to argue back because you have nothing, no sources, no logical framework to back up your claims/anecdotal opinion. If everyone used falsifyable intuition to make judgments and say sources, logic and rationale are "conventional" thought, our civilization or past civilizations wouldn't be where they are today or were yesterday. We would make more mistakes and we'd fade into oblivion. Intuition is nice by all means but without logic, and rationale, it's useless and needs to stay within the realms of art; and care taking. And on a side note I use personal attacks to either annoy the recipient when they don't argue back with an appropriate argument. And much of my attacks on CT was a joke as was his and we have come to a proper agreement because he and I at least looks at what tell other says in depth and considers it unlike you whose been repeating the same statement of "iq is not an indicator of intelligence and it is meaningless" and personal attacks and nothing aside from that.
Please point me to where I personally attacked you
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"Jeff Bezos says all his best decisions involved intuition and gut, not analysis"

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