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Unread 08-15-2014, 08:29 AM
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R.I.P. Robin Williams

What saddens me the most is the fact that "funny" does not mean "happy" and due to this illusion he might have been miserable for quite some time and nobody has even noticed...

Really just goes to show that depression is a life threatening condition and must be treated.

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Unread 08-15-2014, 08:33 AM
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Re: Robin williams....

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"This takes creepy to a whole new level as videographer Professor Doom1 catches a thread at the IGN forum, dated Friday, August 8, 2014 and titled “Are people bracing themselves for the fact that Robin Williams will die soon?.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/celebrities...d-2466984.html

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I don't think so. That could be said for any actor/person over 60 years old.
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Unread 08-15-2014, 12:31 PM
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First off, how do you even know I didn't know him?

Anyway, as you stated above such as "Since Mars natally rules his 1st and 6th houses, body, self and health are compromised, especially since in his chart Mars is tightly conj Uranus, which might account for erratic and unpredictable actions. Tension of T-square is well known too, but under Mars period all this sort of explodes.
I do believe he had to have this ingrained within his psyche mostly his whole life, just well masked or handled to extent. "
I've also seen he was a good person by reading his chart - for example.

If you did know him, that's great and I admit my conclusion about no one here knowing him was too haste
If you judged from his chart that he was a good person, then by all means, you're welcome to explain it here in astrological terms, like I did on my reading.
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Unread 08-15-2014, 03:09 PM
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If you did know him, that's great and I admit my conclusion about no one here knowing him was too haste
If you judged from his chart that he was a good person, then by all means, you're welcome to explain it here in astrological terms, like I did on my reading.
Nah. I just wanted to tell you never judge with such haste. (of course I didn't know him in person.)

I wouldn't like to explain what kind of person he was, (like i stated above, I really didn't know him as a person.)
Anyway, no bad intention meant!
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Unread 08-15-2014, 05:57 PM
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Wow, the announcement by his wife yesterday that Robin was in early stages of Parkinson's is truly sad. A challenging diagnosis for anyone, much less someone who makes his living as an entertainer. (All the more reason to respect and admire Michael J. Fox, I would say.) I wonder if this was just too much and it put him over the edge? Also, I do wonder if he was on prescription anti-depression medication, that can sometimes provoke suicidal ideation and attempts, from what I understand. I guess the tox screen will be revealing.

I note Hermetic's comment about Prog. mars conj. merc, his 8th house ruler, and her question if it perhaps indicated a previous suicide attempt- due to double sign-and wonder if that could possible indicate PD as being indicative of another factor? In the 8th house: hidden, not announced to the public. She also made the statement his sobriety of 20 years "was intact", so to me that could indicate drugs and alcohol were not involved. (Of course she could also be saying that, to protect his public persona).

Bjorkstrand-could you please elaborate on the Neptune conj. moon, oppos. venus? I'm asking because nep. retrograded mid-June, 2 degrees from his natal moon and 3 degrees from oppos. to n. venus. Would that not have affected him more then, rather than almost 2 months later? Could that possibly tie into a diagnosis or progression of symptoms with PD, now that we know that is a factor? As others noted, the full moon and other transits were pretty brutal.

Also, what do you mean the full moon "came back over"? I don't get this. And why do you think progressions are insignificant? Just curious.
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Omg rest in peace you gave the world alot of joy. May you find joy where you are now.


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It looks like Michael j fox has more guts than robin,Mike's still ALIVE.

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Depresssion has nothing to do with who has more guts.

Depression is a lot like cold shock which comes when you fall into deep water that is under 45 degrees in temperature with out a PFD, and your entir body freezes up and you simply sink and drown. It doesn't matter how good a swimmer you might be.

Having been in a deep depression that nearly took me to suicide more than 20 years ago, I can assure you that guts has little to do with it.
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Depresssion has nothing to do with who has more guts.

Depression is a lot like cold shock which comes when you fall into deep water that is under 45 degrees in temperature with out a PFD, and your entir body freezes up and you simply sink and drown. It doesn't matter how good a swimmer you might be.

Having been in a deep depression that nearly took me to suicide more than 20 years ago, I can assure you that guts has little to do with it.
If not guts then Fox and you have the smarts to figure out a way to live with difficult times.
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Unread 08-16-2014, 09:42 PM
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Re: Robin williams....

What ever any of us say about anyone else's threshold of pain is nothing more than our individual opinion. We are not, nor can we ever be, them. The above posts are strongly egocentric.

Just my opinion.

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Unread 08-16-2014, 10:33 PM
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Re: Robin williams....

It is possible that with every clock and personal watch in the city set to DST that the recorded time was in DST instead of the invisible CST (out of site - out of mind).

In doing charts for 2 events in his life and using approximate times that could be in the ballpark for the events it is a birth time using CDT that yields symbolism appropriate for those events on the angles of the charts. I used the date for his first marriage as I think it might have made more of an impact on him than the latter 2.

Charts for his first marriage.
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Charts for his death. In these posts the progression of lunar returns is a technique developed by myself. PAL stands for Progressed Anlunar (a lunar return done using the Moon from the nearest preceding solar or demi-solar return [ALL charts precession corrected]); PDAL stands for Progressed demi-anlunar. Also charts are done for the locality of the events.

http://dying.about.com/od/thedyingpr...Postmortem.htm

What Happens to My Body Right After I Die?

A timeline of the physical processes that occur soon after death

By Chris Raymond Updated June 02, 2014

"Beginning approximately in the third hour after death, again depending upon numerous factors, chemical changes within the body's cells cause all of the muscles to begin stiffening. Known as rigor mortis, . . ."

Hours 7 to 12

"Maximum muscle stiffness throughout the body occurs after roughly 12 hours due to rigor mortis . . . ."

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/ce...181808746.html

". . . Marin Sheriff's Lt. Keith Boyd said that Williams' wife, Susan Schneider, went to bed at 10:30 p.m. on Sunday. Williams later retired in a different bedroom of their home in Tiburon, California, . . . ."

"Williams died as a result of death by asphyxia, said Boyd. The actor was partially clothed and suspended from a belt that was wedged between a closet door and the door frame. The assistant told officials he was cold to the touch and rigor mortis had begun to set in. . . . ."
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Re: Robin williams....

Another post using DST for the birth chart and locating charts to Chicago.

Full Moon RAMC 143°50'. Right ascension natal Pluto 144°06'

Full Moon of August 10, 2014 was on natal Pluto in longitude. Transit Pluto was opposite natal Mars and Uranus in longitude.

Natal RAMC 129°34'. Square is 219°34' (if precession is added it would be 220°29'). Midpoint of August 10 Full Moon Mars-Saturn was 220°31'.

Eclipse on November 3, 2013, at 218°50'. Natal IC 309°34' (if precession is added it would be 310°29'). November eclipse Neptune-Pluto midpoint was at 310°28'.

I think the above noted aspects appropriate for shock, depression, and harmful activity.
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Re: Robin williams....

Unique astrology,
Thanks for looking into the birth time issue. It's strange to see CST being used for his birth time when DST was clearly in effect.

I've never progressed a lunar return. I progress my solar returns all the time, and I've not been impressed with precession-correcting them, but I think the progressed lunar return (precession corrected and not) is something I'll have to look into.

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If not guts then Fox and you have the smarts to figure out a way to live with difficult times.
Sometimes its just good luck.
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Re: Robin williams....

Some of the authors of the offensive statements on this thread need to go to Youtube and listen to "Sam Harris On Free Will". If there is such a thing as free will, you could possibly become a better person.
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Re: Robin williams....

I just learned why Robin Williams' chart is calculated in CST rather than CDT on astro.com and astrotheme.

In Chicago in the 1950s, birth certificates had to register the time of birth in CST even during daylight savings time. (A strange law indeed.) So, daylight savings time was in effect but the law required the time of birth to be listed in standard time.

So, his correct chart should be the 0 Scorpio rising chart, reflecting the daylight savings time that was in effect. Astro.com and astrotheme appear to be posting an incorrect chart.

I suppose that astrologers doing charts for births in Chicago in the 1950's (before July 1, 1959 actually) should be aware of this strange law.

Here's the source of my information: http://m.galacticcenter.org/main/art...e-changes.html
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Re: Robin williams....

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It is possible that with every clock and personal watch in the city set to DST that the recorded time was in DST instead of the invisible CST (out of site - out of mind).

In doing charts for 2 events in his life and using approximate times that could be in the ballpark for the events it is a birth time using CDT that yields symbolism appropriate for those events on the angles of the charts.
Laws may be passed but not followed. Try thinking about laws forbidding discrimination because of race, age, or gender.

Practically every clock and watch in the city was likely set to DST. Easy to forget to make the mental correction for some, perhaps many, when recording times while that law was in effect.

The 1 hour difference would make a difference of about 15 degrees on the MC not only to the birth chart but to all subsequent or derivative charts.

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Unread 08-22-2014, 06:25 PM
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Re: Robin williams....

thank you, drsendero and unique for this discussion on how time was recorded on births, etc in Chicago in the 50's.

I took many workshops from Zip Dobyns, and I clearly remember her bringing this up.

It seems one could never know for certain how the time was recorded. What was that hospitals policy? Did all of the nurses attending births make the adjustment in time or just write down the time on the clock or their watches in the busy scene of a birth? It seems to me we couldn't possibly know. It's possible different nurses, etc, had a habit of using one or another.

I suppose one could do some rectifications in relation to important life events, or check Sabian Symbols and look at the different descriptions there.
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Re: Robin williams....

Ok .. just to make it even more confusing ...

if the birth was in a Catholic hospital - looks like the nurses would use the clock time.
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Marinka, I'm curious; why do you think Catholic hospitals would be more inclined to use CDT?
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Marinka, I'm curious; why do you think Catholic hospitals would be more inclined to use CDT?
I never researched why this seemed to occur so I'm not able to offer a statement based in fact. Although, I could put out an opinion that it could be due to state and church separation.
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Re: Robin williams....

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"This takes creepy to a whole new level as videographer Professor Doom1 catches a thread at the IGN forum, dated Friday, August 8, 2014 and titled “Are people bracing themselves for the fact that Robin Williams will die soon?.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/celebrities...d-2466984.html

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Hey Rahu is this site for real? Was this statement actually posted before Robin Williams' death?

Strange indeed....
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R.I.P. Robin Williams

What saddens me the most is the fact that "funny" does not mean "happy" and due to this illusion he might have been miserable for quite some time and nobody has even noticed...

Really just goes to show that depression is a life threatening condition and must be treated.
I agree with my whole heart! I have also been concerned for another loved funny-man who also suffers from depression and that is Jim Carrey. Maybe with Mr. Williams passing those close to him won't allow him to get so down, ya know?

God bless us everyone!
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