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Re: Pt Fortune; what is YOUR pot-of-gold!

Part I – The Lots

I’ll go on to explain the five different lots, so you see the usefulness.

The Lot of Fortune
The key. This is the native’s potential for prosperity, the character of the native, and another characterization of the native’s physical body. It is the medium through which the other lots operate, as it is the ‘physical body’, thus the vehicle through which the native executes their ambitions. It can also be considered a gateway.

Strong – The native is blessed with the vitality to achieve fortune, as well as auspicious character. They also have potential for great prosperity. If the other lots are fortunate, then we have a good medium through which privileged promise can operate. They may be ambitious.

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– The physical form may hinder attainment in some fashion, and/or the character of the native is not conducive towards success. They may not have a great promise of prosperity. If other lots promise great things, the native himself may be too weak to realize such gains. They may not even care for great success.

source: The Five Lots of Success, Your Fortune Chart by Ray Austin on the Education Board http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13197

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Part I – The Lots

I’ll go on to explain the five different lots, so you see the usefulness.

The Lot of Fortune
The key. This is the native’s potential for prosperity, the character of the native, and another characterization of the native’s physical body. It is the medium through which the other lots operate, as it is the ‘physical body’, thus the vehicle through which the native executes their ambitions. It can also be considered a gateway.

Strong – The native is blessed with the vitality to achieve fortune, as well as auspicious character. They also have potential for great prosperity. If the other lots are fortunate, then we have a good medium through which privileged promise can operate. They may be ambitious.

Weak
– The physical form may hinder attainment in some fashion, and/or the character of the native is not conducive towards success. They may not have a great promise of prosperity. If other lots promise great things, the native himself may be too weak to realize such gains. They may not even care for great success.

source: The Five Lots of Success, Your Fortune Chart by Ray Austin on the Education Board http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13197
What determines if the fortune is strong, or weak?
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What determines if the fortune is strong, or weak?
Scrolling down the page on that Ray Austin link http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13197 one finds the following advice

I. Judging Strength of Lot Rulers

For judging the lots and the part of fortune rulers, I’ve noticed that using Lilly’s point system doesn’t work, maybe because it was developed for horary mostly.


Consider this:
• Planet in sect or not in the normal natal chart.
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2...ology-of-sect/
for current sect discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=43920

Saturn and Jupiter are of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.


Saturn and Jupiter are the Sun’s co-sectarians.

Venus and Mars are of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.


Venus and Mars are the Moon’s co-sectarians.

Mercury as a morning star is of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.

Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian, along with Saturn and Jupiter.

Mercury as an evening star is of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.

Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian, along with Venus and Mars.

i.e.

If the chart is a day chart, then the diurnal sect is in favour and the Sun is the sect leader and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is a morning star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.

If the chart is a night chart, then the nocturnal sect is in favour and the Moon is the sect leader and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is an evening star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour

• Planet in joy, or house of its joy in fortune chart.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/joy.php
• Dignity or debilitation by sign.
• Dignity or Debility by House placement (in radical chart, as well).
• Accidental dignity or debility.
• Oriental or occidental to the sun. Oriental, meaning rising before the sun is an added bonus.
• Oppositions to a malefic which can signal trouble, delay, or loss.
• Being in same sign or in conjunction with a malefic, or benefic.
• Being in the dignities of a malefic or benefic
• Whether the planet has lordship over the planetary hour, or day.
• If the lot ruler opposes its own lot sign.
• If the lot ruler is rising or ascending in the radical chart, or if it is declining (falling below the horizon)

Most important: Whether it is culminating (ten signs away from) from the ascendant, or lot of fortune, which is a very large added bonus, and in itself tells that the native will be notable by the fashion and nature of the ruler.
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Re: Pt Fortune; what is YOUR pot-of-gold!

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Scrolling down the page on that Ray Austin link http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13197 one finds the following advice

I. Judging Strength of Lot Rulers

For judging the lots and the part of fortune rulers, I’ve noticed that using Lilly’s point system doesn’t work, maybe because it was developed for horary mostly.


Consider this:
• Planet in sect or not in the normal natal chart.
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2...ology-of-sect/
for current sect discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=43920

Saturn and Jupiter are of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.


Saturn and Jupiter are the Sun’s co-sectarians.

Venus and Mars are of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.


Venus and Mars are the Moon’s co-sectarians.

Mercury as a morning star is of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.

Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian, along with Saturn and Jupiter.

Mercury as an evening star is of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.

Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian, along with Venus and Mars.

i.e.

If the chart is a day chart, then the diurnal sect is in favour and the Sun is the sect leader and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is a morning star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.

If the chart is a night chart, then the nocturnal sect is in favour and the Moon is the sect leader and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is an evening star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour

• Planet in joy, or house of its joy in fortune chart.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/joy.php
• Dignity or debilitation by sign.
• Dignity or Debility by House placement (in radical chart, as well).
• Accidental dignity or debility.
• Oriental or occidental to the sun. Oriental, meaning rising before the sun is an added bonus.
• Oppositions to a malefic which can signal trouble, delay, or loss.
• Being in same sign or in conjunction with a malefic, or benefic.
• Being in the dignities of a malefic or benefic
• Whether the planet has lordship over the planetary hour, or day.
• If the lot ruler opposes its own lot sign.
• If the lot ruler is rising or ascending in the radical chart, or if it is declining (falling below the horizon)

Most important: Whether it is culminating (ten signs away from) from the ascendant, or lot of fortune, which is a very large added bonus, and in itself tells that the native will be notable by the fashion and nature of the ruler.
I appreciate the info...but I'm looking for astrologers opinions if possible (give me your opinions please) I love being able to go online and read what the experts have to say, but I would like to actually hear how the other astrologers interp these aspects.
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I appreciate the info...but I'm looking for astrologers opinions if possible (give me your opinions please)
I had the impression that you were searching for the necessary information to enable you to calculate the strength of your Part of Fortune Rageypoo.

If anyone would like to do that, then my opinion is that the link and information I posted are sufficient to calculate the weakness/strength of anyone's Part of Fortune: therefore the information may yet be useful for readers of your thread who are interested
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I had the impression that you were searching for the necessary information to enable you to calculate the strength of your Part of Fortune Rageypoo.

If anyone would like to do that, then my opinion is that the link and information I posted are sufficient to calculate the weakness/strength of anyone's Part of Fortune: therefore the information may yet be useful for readers of your thread who are interested
ok thanks anyways then, great for others I suppose...
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My "Pot of gold" is in Gemini late degrees. I also have Chiron and AC in that sign.... POF is in my 2nd house. Ruler of POF is Mercury (strong in my chart), but conj. pluto in scorpio. I think that for me value lies in intellectual things like learning new languages, meeting new people, studying abroad and learning as much as possible in general.

Im not such a money person in that I want to become as rich as possible and not so materialistic in that way. But I still like stylish, beautiful things sometimes and shopping is one of my weak sides....

Venus and Mars square my POF and Sun trines it.

My boyfriend has his Sun exactly conjunct my POF, and I feel he brings out these gemini qualities in my life, like the value of intellectual things and keeping ourselves busy with something like this most of the time. And also a strong way of communication across borders
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My "Pot of gold" is in Gemini late degrees. I also have Chiron and AC in that sign.... POF is in my 2nd house. Ruler of POF is Mercury (strong in my chart), but conj. pluto in scorpio. I think that for me value lies in intellectual things like learning new languages, meeting new people, studying abroad and learning as much as possible in general.

Im not such a money person in that I want to become as rich as possible and not so materialistic in that way. But I still like stylish, beautiful things sometimes and shopping is one of my weak sides....

Venus and Mars square my POF and Sun trines it.

My boyfriend has his Sun exactly conjunct my POF, and I feel he brings out these gemini qualities in my life, like the value of intellectual things and keeping ourselves busy with something like this most of the time. And also a strong way of communication across borders
So with sun trining, wealth comes easy for you, despite the mars square?
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Hmmmm. Hard to say, Im still studying So think I have to work for my money. But my partners have helped me when Ive had financial downs. And Im lucky to be born into a wealthy country so to say. It was my own choice to study for as long as I have now. But for me with "hard work" by studying so much, it will be better in the future, and I also gain important knowledge for myself
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Still looking for feedback, be sure to drop an interp over the weekend!!
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POF
http://www.astrotherapy.eu/ParsFortunae.htm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-5210.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOVfJmEFH4
http://www.arlenekramer.net/astrology8.asp
last one is POF conj planets

“However, in the case of both significations one must keep in mind that no one indication in the chart, not even the Part of Fortune, can be taken by itself as a total indicator of any area of life. For health one must also look at the Ascendant, its ruler, the Moon and its ruler. Also the sixth and eighth houses as indicators of illness and death respectively have strong indications for health. For material prosperity one should also look at the second house, the tenth house, and their rulers.”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm

“The fortune indicated by this part is not necessarily materialistic or even tangible, though it can be. It depends on the sign and house location of the Part of Fortune. The benefit can be on the physical, intellectual, emotional, and/or spiritual plane of experience. In all cases it is through the cultivation and expression of this point that one will experience harmony and a sense of well-being.”
http://www.astroresources.com/fortune.htm

“The Part of Fortune represents worldly success, and is associated with the physical body and health as well. It can be indicative of the career or vocation. Worldly success and prosperity are associated with the Part of Fortune, and both its sign and house placement suggests innate abilities and talents--areas of life and qualities that are expressed naturally.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html
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http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php
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having a brief look ragey, POF conj chiron suggests a wound connected to love affairs, children and all 5th house matters. BUT having N Node conj POF also suggests that albeit wide orb in late taurus conj gemini. Is learning about practical taurean sensulatities, loyalty, reliabilty and be more fixed and not easily driven off course like gemini might be.

POF Gemini and chiron are ruled by air/communications and tend to impart lots of bits of information, perhaps to children, lovers. Recreational matters should incorporate variety, somewhere you can adapt and grow (like on AW) for example...

with mars/venus sextile POF,chiron it could be linked to sexual matters and more so relationships...
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having a brief look ragey, POF conj chiron suggests a wound connected to love affairs, children and all 5th house matters. BUT having N Node conj POF also suggests that albeit wide orb in late taurus conj gemini. Is learning about practical taurean sensulatities, loyalty, reliabilty and be more fixed and not easily driven off course like gemini might be.

POF Gemini and chiron are ruled by air/communications and tend to impart lots of bits of information, perhaps to children, lovers. Recreational matters should incorporate variety, somewhere you can adapt and grow (like on AW) for example...

with mars/venus sextile POF,chiron it could be linked to sexual matters and more so relationships...
yeaaaaa this is what I was looking for, thank you for the input!

AW has been a good outlet, I like it! I wonder what other types of outlets would be better though, I try going to school and wile I do well, it's so boring, and I really hate it.

So relationships, hmm...how do you think the sextiles would show in sexual matters? thoughts?
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my pof is in my 3rd house virgo only aspect is trine venus, I have lots of mercury conj. what does this mean?
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my pof is in my 3rd house virgo only aspect is trine venus, I have lots of mercury conj. what does this mean?
Well from what I know, venus and jupiter making a positive aspect are "benificial" planets wile saturn and mars are "malefic" but the definition of malefic is very vague, since it doesn't seem to always be completely detrimental. I'd imagine that with a virgo trine to 3rd would help you deal with problems in your immediate surroundings, being effective in communication, creating harmony (you could do well as a mediator for example) since you have a clear and level head when it comes to communication (3rd is mercury/gemini territory)

at the very least, inner peace should be easy to accomplish, and writing should be natural to you, post your chart = )
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hmm interesting sure let me upload my chart.
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hmm interesting sure let me upload my chart.
oh man I absolutely HATE pluto square sun, that's gotta be interesting (do you seem to attract some crazy situations, completely out of your control, particularly at home and in relationships?) it's likely that your pt fortune helps put you as a "middle man" inbetween issues at home and your relationship. Do you constantly have to explain yourself or talk down others? your cancer AC is great for relationships (for women personally, for men it kinda makes em...meh, what guy wants to deal with drama all the time, amiright?)

and with a cancer DC you'll have lots of nice, steady, grounded control in your home, specially with that well aspected pluto in 4th = )

I have to say tho, your moon is pummeling your other planets, my gosh there must be family brawls, and with your aries moon, you're probably first to deal with all that energy head first = )

Don't. in fact you need to learn detatchment, your NN doesn't want you comfortable in Leo 1st (drama, drama....DRAMA) it wants you to move to a more aquarian, positive masculine energy, stay away from the drama!

You are extremely cardinal with that capricorn, and not a lick of mutable, so moving in and out of situations could be tough, and you're quite rigid in the way you take charge, but the aquarian sun and cancer DC should humble you down a bit, be as "fixed" as you can, as that is what your North Node wants, just try not to be bossy, don't give ultimatums, instead just assert yourself directly and firmly without squashing em, I'm sure your Pt. Fortune helps with keeping a level head with all this energy!

I'm not sure what jupiter square would be, I think any aspect from jupiter or venus to Pt. Fortune is suppose to be good, lemme dig around a bit more about it when I get home from the gym.
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haha you are spot on i'm always in between family disputes and with my friends..it drives me crazy sometimes. I have so many close relationships but they are all at each other 24/7. Its like a friend will want to hang out but i'm with this person so they ignore me for weeks and ****. I stopped answering peoples calls that did this to me because it took so much out of me always stressing about others..The problem is its okay to talk about drama, feelings are okay..most of the time the drama is pointless though
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haha you are spot on i'm always in between family disputes and with my friends..it drives me crazy sometimes. I have so many close relationships but they are all at each other 24/7. Its like a friend will want to hang out but i'm with this person so they ignore me for weeks and ****. I stopped answering peoples calls that did this to me because it took so much out of me always stressing about others..The problem is its okay to talk about drama, feelings are okay..most of the time the drama is pointless though
I feel for ya!
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