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The Phoenix is at the height of wisdom and knowledge when it accepts its fate, and willingly dies in fire, knowing it will be reborn after giving up its former life. When it arises reborn, it remembers nothing. It's starting over, primal and wild, and eager to experience whatever its new life has to offer.

I'm sure Scorpio Risings will prefer this description then Charubel's.


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I'm sure Scorpio Risings will prefer this description then Charubel's.
Maybe "primal and wild" didn't sit well with Charubel.
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Leomoon, what's your experience with Pisces?
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Leomoon, what's your experience with Pisces?

I can't recall many Pisces Suns in my life actually. I always thought we'd get along well, because of my Cancer Rising, but my only close relative that is a Pisces would be a grandson, we don't see. He has Regulus at the Asc. Algol at the MC and Fomalhaut cj. his 7th house Sun. I wish him well. I got along very well with his sister however, a Virgo Sun with Leo Moon (all my granddaughters have Leo Moons btw)


His father is a Naval officer, or was once upon a time. But they are as "tight as a bug in a rug" ....that family. They don't usually take well to others stronger opinions in the family.



I was waiting for his fame (Fomalhaut) and the last I heard, he was making a few productions for the College he attends. Starring in them,and rec'd Congressional Awards for it, so I suppose that counts too for Fomalhaut (any kind of newspaper, news or making the news print or otherwise). Glad it was in a positive way.


Other then him, I can't think of anyone. I've lived a sheltered life I suppose compared to many. Except for the travels I've done.
More of acquaintances with Libras, Aries, Cancer, even Aquarius....and certainly Scorpios although I have no Scorpio except for Jupiter. A few Virgos in my life and of course my late mom, Sagittarius 12/14., but I didn't realize until it was too late, she WAS really my best friend too. SHE I miss, insults & all.
Oh, and I always thought I'd have gotten along well with Edgar Cayce considering such a good deal of my life has been taken up with him as subject matter. He had a lot of earth in his natal chart too., but he was quintessential Pisces I think...
https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Edgar_Cayce

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The most outstanding feature of the tropical Age of Scorpio was the ancient Egyptian culture, including its obsession with life-after-death and its pyramids, which relate to that obsession. I have no problem with the Egyptians building the pyramids, mostly using an alchemical method of creating natural-looking stone from concrete.

This fits the Modality and Element for Scorpio: In alchemy, to "fix" a compound can mean to solidify it. Concrete is a watery, liquid substance before it becomes solidified into stonelike blocks. So, Fixed-Water.

They also worshipped Osirus as god of the Underworld, which is where the Greco-Roman religions borrowed their version of Underworld ruler, Pluto, now known as ruler of Scorpio.

I use a "3 Levels of Awareness" paradigm to help explain the Modalities:

Cardinal•••••Conscious level
Fixed••••••••Subconscious level
Mutable •••••Unconscious level

The focus of a Fixed-sign Age is the Subconscious, which explains the "Underworld concept" which was paramount to ancient Egypt during the Fixed-sign Age of Scorpio.

We're currently hooked on the Conscious-level of awareness, during this Cardinal-sign Age of Capricorn. So, we can't really grasp the nature of what constituted Reality during the Subconscious-level, Fixed-sign Age of Scorpio, or what Reality will be like when people have so much more access to the Subconscious during the Fixed-sign Age of Aquarius.

With Sagittarius as our background Age-sign, we astrologers do have some insight into the Mutable-sign, Unconscious-level Age of Sagittarius that manifested astrology itself.

The Conscious-level mindset of Cardinal-sign, Capricornian Age, Modern Science, can't relate to the Unconscious-level nature of astrology.

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I can't recall many Pisces Suns in my life actually. I always thought we'd get along well, because of my Cancer Rising, but my only close relative that is a Pisces would be a grandson, we don't see. He has Regulus at the Asc. Algol at the MC and Fomalhaut cj. his 7th house Sun. I wish him well. I got along very well with his sister however, a Virgo Sun with Leo Moon (all my granddaughters have Leo Moons btw)


His father is a Naval officer, or was once upon a time. But they are as "tight as a bug in a rug" ....that family. They don't usually take well to others stronger opinions in the family.



I was waiting for his fame (Fomalhaut) and the last I heard, he was making a few productions for the College he attends. Starring in them,and rec'd Congressional Awards for it, so I suppose that counts too for Fomalhaut (any kind of newspaper, news or making the news print or otherwise). Glad it was in a positive way.


Other then him, I can't think of anyone. I've lived a sheltered life I suppose compared to many. Except for the travels I've done.
More of acquaintances with Libras, Aries, Cancer, even Aquarius....and certainly Scorpios although I have no Scorpio except for Jupiter. A few Virgos in my life and of course my late mom, Sagittarius 12/14., but I didn't realize until it was too late, she WAS really my best friend too. SHE I miss, insults & all.
Oh, and I always thought I'd have gotten along well with Edgar Cayce considering such a good deal of my life has been taken up with him as subject matter. He had a lot of earth in his natal chart too., but he was quintessential Pisces I think...
https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Edgar_Cayce
Edgar Cayce lived his materialistic life on the Conscious Level, and transmitted readings from the Unconscious level upon which astrology operates. Slowly but surely, the Fixed-Modality of the Aquarian Age is enabling a bridge between those two levels.

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Talk about a "Paradigm-shift"! The tropical Aquarian Age really is going to change the very nature of our existence, as will become increasingly apparent the closer it gets.
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The definition of "dawning" regarding Sunrise, is when the Sun is 6 degrees below the horizon.

The Mean-setting of the tropical Age-indicator reached the dawning 6th degree cusp (24 degrees tropical Capricorn) in the year 1800. The True-setting, which swings back and forth sporadically, reached it by about 1700.

When the song came out in the late 1960's, the dawning of the Aquarian Age was near the 27th of Capricorn, only 3 degrees from tropical Aquarius using the steadily Direct Mean-setting, which was reached in 1975.

I, for one, give no credence whatsoever to the opinion that the Signs are "walled-off", which if true, would mean there is no such thing as "dawning"--that the Sun, for the most obvious example, has no effect on a Sign until it actually ingresses the Sign. No sunlight would be visible through the measured Sign-boundaries, which is obviously not the case, physically speaking.

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If anyone would like to defend the "Walled-off Signs" concept, I'm willing to listen to the reasoning involved.
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The problem for the tropicalists who predicted an early start to the Aquarian Age, is two-fold.

First, without knowing about the tropical version, and having no way of knowing exactly when the Vernal Point Age-indicator would reach the sidereal boundary between Pisces and Aquarius, they had to make up a start-year for themselves.

Second, they didn't take the extremely slow movement of the Age-indicator into account. "Dawning" and "Ingress" are definitely not the same thing! Dawning increases incrementally until Ingress is achieved. But, until Ingress, it's still officially the Age prior to that of Aquarius.

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With Pluto ruling, a Libra Sun, we want to be fair, if the other party will. If they don’t or won’t, we can be, vicious. Fair is always a thing, My husband is Libra too, but with Taurus rising. He is way nicer than me.😄
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Opal: I always remind him, he has the "evil degree" of Scorpio Rising, (per Charubel), lol.
17-18° (I'd add 19th too), as they were described as the "most cursed degree of the most accursed sign".




Bottom line however, is not so bad. It simply means, a block of "black & white" nothing grey ...and quite honestly, he is like that. Its either one way or another it seems...Also has Moon in the last deg. of Cancer, which helps, because that's my Tropical Rising sign. When its the Moon however, it behaves a whole lot differently in that the Moon in Cancer simply cannot get out of its depth if depressed without a lot of effort and time for the feelings to subside. (very sad to see) ...I think you have Capricorn Moon!


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I do not know Charubel, I will look him up.

My moon is 29.13 Sag natal, very close.
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A simple chronology:

Creation was on the 1st day of the week, on the 1st day of the 7th month, which is the 1st year from creation - 8-9/10/3959 BC
Adam begat Seth in the 131st year from creation - 3829 BC
Seth begat Enosh in the 236th year from creation - 3724 BC
Enosh begat Kenan in the 326th year from creation - 3634 BC
Kenan begat Mahalalel in the 396th year from creation - 3564 BC
Mahaleel begat Jared in the 461st from creation - 3499 BC
Jared begat Enoch in the 623rd year from creation - 3337 BC
Enoch begat Methuselah in the 688th year from creation - 3272 BC
Methuselah begat Lamech in the 875th year from creation - 3085 BC
Lamech begat Noah in the 1057th year from creation - 2903 BC
Noah begat Shem in the 1559th year from creation - 2401 BC
The Flood was in the 1657th year from creation - 2303 BC

Shem begat Arpachshad in the 1659th year from creation - 2301 BC
Arpachshad begat Shelah in the 1694th year from creation - 2266 BC
Shelah begat Eber in the 1724th year from creation - 2236 BC
Eber begat Peleg in the 1758th year from creation - 2202 BC
Peleg begat Reu in the 1788th year from creation - 2172 BC
Reu begat Serug in the 1820th year from creation - 2140 BC
Serug begat Nahor in the 1850th year from creation - 2110 BC
Nahor begat Terah in the 1879th year from creation - 2081 BC
Terah begat Abraham in the 2009th year from creation - 1951 BC
Abraham entered Canaan in the 2084th year from creation - 1876 BC
The Exodus was in the 2514th year from creation - 1446 BC
The Construction of the Temple began in the 2993th year from creation - 967 BC
The Cyrus decree after 390 days apostasy was in the 3422nd year from creation - 538 BC
The Rebuilding of Jerusalem began in the 3514th year from creation - 446 BC

The Word became flesh on 2nd day of the week, on the 15th day of the 7th month, in the 3955th year from creation - 17-18/9/5 BC
The Lamb was slain for the sins of the world on the 6th day of the week, on the 14th day of the 1st month, in the 3988th year from creation - 6-7/4/30 AD

1st day of the week, 1st day of the 7th month, 6001st year from creation - 15-17/9/2042

Gen. 1-2, Gen. 5:3, Gen. 5:6, Gen. 5:9, Gen. 5:12, Gen. 5:15, Gen. 5:18, Gen. 7:6, Gen. 11:10, Gen. 11:12, Gen. 11:14, Gen. 11:16, Gen. 11:18, Gen. 11:20, Gen. 11:22, Gen. 11:24, Gen. 11:32, Gen. 12:4, Ex. 12:40, 1 Kings 6:1 (the year can be verified by profane history), Ez. 4:4-6, Ezra 1, Neh. 2, Dan. 9:25-26, Matthew 1-2, Luke 1-3, John 19:14, Luke 24:46

I believe the rate of precession wasn't uniform to conform as signs with some of these events, since the astronomer Ptolemy recorded observing longitudes off by 2 degrees assuming uniformitarianism, which are only explained by the unsubstantiated claim that he didn't observe, but simply added longitudes to that of his predecessors according to the assumed rate of precession of 1 degree per century.
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If anyone would like to defend the "Walled-off Signs" concept, I'm willing to listen to the reasoning involved.
One year there would be an unseen world tribulation, the next year the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will fill the earth as waters cover the bottom of a sea, according to the prophets and the revelation of Jesus Christ. There is stark difference. We shouldn't expect things to get better near the end of the age, but the opposite, except for a remnant.

Besides, if the tropical signs blend off through the seasons, the constellations do not because of the boundaries of the images.

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The Phoenix is at the height of wisdom and knowledge when it accepts its fate, and willingly dies in fire, knowing it will be reborn after giving up its former life. When it arises reborn, it remembers nothing. It's starting over, primal and wild, and eager to experience whatever its new life has to offer.
Which of the ancient writers said that the phoenix doesn't remember anything after rising again? I don't remember this.
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I notice that the Scriptures harken back to the tropical Fall Season of Ages, which began c.4850 B.C.E. and ended c.400 A.D.

The Exodus is within the range of the transition from a Water-sign Age to Fire (crossing through the water).

This first Age of the Winter Season of Ages is a materialistic tropical Age of an Earth-sign, and is essentially atheistic. So, the spiritual revelations are previous to it, including prophecies that move ahead to the next Age. Modern Science of this materialistic Age has pushed religion into the background for most people in the "developed" nations, meaning the most technologically advanced.
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Which of the ancient writers said that the phoenix doesn't remember anything after rising again? I don't remember this.
What ancient writers wrote about the legendary Egyptian Phoenix?
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What ancient writers wrote about the legendary Egyptian Phoenix?
Great number of ancient authors.

Christians
Clement of Rome in his Epistle to the Corinthians - Chapter 25 https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm
Tertullian of Carthage on the Resurrection of the Flesh - Chapter 13 - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0316.htm
Origen of Alexandria against Celsus - Chapter 98 https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04164.htm
Cyril of Jerusalem - Catechetical Lecture 18.8 - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310118.htm

Apocrypha
3 Baruch - Chapter 6 http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/pseude...a/3Baruch.html

Nicene Christians
Ambrose of Milan - Hexameron https://archive.org/stream/fathersof...71mbp_djvu.txt

Pagans
Herodotus - Histories 2.73 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...ok%3D2&force=y
Pliny the Elder - Natural History 10.2 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...%3Achapter%3D2
Tacitus - Annals 6.28 https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer.../6B*.html#ref2
Lucian - Passing of Peregrinus Chapter 27 http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/lucian/peregrinus.htm
Philostratus - The Life of Apollonius of Tyana https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/aot/laot/laot16.htm
Solinus - The wonders of the world https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A1...;view=fulltext
Uncertain - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0707.htm
Claudian - The Phoenix http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...inora*/27.html

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Interpretation of the Phoenix legend as a Christian metaphor doesn't make it the intellectual property of Christian theology. The Phoenix arises unburdened by the past, and eager for a new future. That should be an obvious conclusion.
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A purely solar year from equinox to equinox or from solstice to solstice doesn't have non-arbitrary months. None of the more ancient nations took their reference to begin their year without also referring to the new (crescent) Moon or the full Moon.

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Interpretation of the Phoenix legend as a Christian metaphor doesn't make it the intellectual property of Christian theology. The Phoenix arises unburdened by the past, and eager for a new future. That should be an obvious conclusion.
I disagree. Clearly the same Phoenix arises with the same memory of the temple of the Sun where it delivered its body. It is the same with the biblical account of the resurrection of the righteous - same soul with same memory, but with a glorified body. This is why many Christians wrote an account of the creature.

Psalm 92:12 in Greek has a pun between phoenix (the word for palm-tree) and phoenix (the name for the bird), which confused Tertullian, but not Origen who knew the Hebrew well.

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I disagree. Clearly the same Phoenix arises with the same memory of the temple of the Sun where it delivered its body. It is the same with the biblical account of the resurrection of the righteous - same soul with same memory, but with a glorified body. This is why many Christians wrote an account of the creature.
Yes, they understandably put a Christian "spin" on an ancient Egyptian legend. Nothing wrong with that. I would call it natural, inborn "instinct", rather than past memory. Not the same thing.
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Yes, they understandably put a Christian "spin" on an ancient Egyptian legend. Nothing wrong with that. I would call it natural, inborn "instinct", rather than past memory. Not the same thing.
Yes, understandably you are putting your own modernist/materialist/new agey ''spin'' on the story. It is not going to be the same thing with what all the above ancient authors took literally.
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Yes, understandably you are putting your own modernist/materialist/new agey ''spin'' on the story. It is not going to be the same thing with what all the above ancient authors took literally.
They literally applied their own Christian Agey spin.
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This tropical Age of Capricorn is decidedly non-astrological, especially in its latter stages. It's only the approach of the Aquarian Age that has enabled Modernistic astrology to fashion a bridge from the past, spiritual Age of Sagittarius, to the future spiritual Age of Aquarius.
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