For serious astrologers, or people who really understand Hard Mars Aspects

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Imhere11

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I haven't been into astrology that long but it doesn't take a smart person to notice a pattern.

I did some research on American born serial killers(Looked up 40 of them) and 87%(35/40) of them had at least one hard mars aspect, and 70% of them having 2 or more hard aspects to Mars.

Whats the deal with hard mars aspects, are these people overly violent? And yes I understand there are millions of people with hard mars aspects, but that's too much of a coincidence for that many violent people to have at least one hard mars aspect.

And if so, then whats the case with people with positive aspects to mars(Trines,Sextiles)?
 
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Imhere11 said:
I did some research on American born serial killers (Looked up 40 of them) and 87%(35/40) of them had at least one hard mars aspect, and 70% of them having 2 or more hard aspects to Mars.
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From the Astrology Research Journal. Aug. 2002 there was a comparison made between 2 types of murderers - between the horoscopes of 60 serial killers and 60 single murders (only killed one vicitim):

....it was noticed in 7 from 60 of the serial killers charts that an increased presence of opposition aspects to the cusps of the 8th and 12th houses existed...now 7 out of 60 is not a huge comparison, but the most significant aspect found. Another less common aspect was Saturn opposing the 12th cusp, and/or the NN squaring or opposing the cusp of the 12th, and/or Mars, Saturn, Neptune or Pluto in the 12th house.

It is my belief that chart results like these are informative and indications of possiblity, but are not an ultimate truth....because everyone has the opportunity to use all energy positively....
 
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Inline said:
From the Astrology Research Journal. Aug. 2002 there was a comparison made between 2 types of murderers - between the horoscopes of 60 serial killers and 60 single murders (only killed one vicitim):

....it was noticed in 7 from 60 of the serial killers charts that an increased presence of opposition aspects to the cusps of the 8th and 12th houses existed...now 7 out of 60 is not a huge comparison, but the most significant aspect found. Another less common aspect was Saturn opposing the 12th cusp, and/or the NN squaring or opposing the cusp of the 12th, and/or Mars, Saturn, Neptune or Pluto in the 12th house.

It is my belief that chart results like these are informative and indications of possiblity, but are not an ultimate truth....because everyone has the opportunity to use all energy positively....
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Agreed.

But that's an extremely high number, and it wasn't like I hand picked the killers, I took the list and went straight down the line and got these numbers.

You are 100% right it all depends on how one uses their energy, but I definitely believe people with hard mars aspects are prone to do something extremely violent IF IF pushed into a corner.
 
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Statistics...

According to statistics, the average French woman has 2.5 children. I've been living in France for about six years, have met a few people, women included, but none of them had 2.5 children.

Both Bob Dylan and serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer have a square between Mars and Jupiter. Or, both Freud and serial killer Patrick Kearney had a Mars-Saturn square.

Statistics will never tell you how any aspect - a hard aspect between Mars and another planet, for example - will manifest within a person. Only looking at their chart as a whole will do so. Otherwise, you'll get the French woman with her 2.5 kids...
 
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Imhere11 said:
Agreed.

But that's an extremely high number, and it wasn't like I hand picked the killers,
I took the list and went straight down the line and got these numbers.

You are 100% right it all depends on how one uses their energy,
but I definitely believe people with hard mars aspects are prone to do something extremely violent IF IF pushed into a corner.
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Mother Theresa of Calcutta
XIV Dalai Lama
Pope Francis, the current Pope
Queen Elizabeth II of England
William Shakespeare



all have Mars square a natal planets and/or planets :smile:
 
dhundhun

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Imhere11 said:
I haven't been into astrology that long but it doesn't take a smart person to notice a pattern.

I did some research on American born serial killers(Looked up 40 of them) and 87%(35/40) of them had at least one hard mars aspect, and 70% of them having 2 or more hard aspects to Mars.

Whats the deal with hard mars aspects, are these people overly violent? And yes I understand there are millions of people with hard mars aspects, but that's too much of a coincidence for that many violent people to have at least one hard mars aspect.

And if so, then whats the case with people with positive aspects to mars(Trines,Sextiles)?
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Look into "Mangal Dosa" of Vedic Astrology. That might fascinate and give additional input.

Well Mars is energy representing Action. Philosophically you won't put you first step without this. People with hard aspect usually learn themselves. Like a man with Mars square Venus might have race condition with females - may be in job or may be in school or may be elder sister taking all favors of parents. Without Mars hard aspect, many things will remain unexplored.

When Mars is out-of-control, things go wrong in non social way and non human way.
 
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Imhere11

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Therese said:
Statistics...

According to statistics, the average French woman has 2.5 children. I've been living in France for about six years, have met a few people, women included, but none of them had 2.5 children.

Both Bob Dylan and serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer have a square between Mars and Jupiter. Or, both Freud and serial killer Patrick Kearney had a Mars-Saturn square.

Statistics will never tell you how any aspect - a hard aspect between Mars and another planet, for example - will manifest within a person. Only looking at their chart as a whole will do so. Otherwise, you'll get the French woman with her 2.5 kids...
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Agreed......to a certain extent.

I used killers, people known for violence and out of 40, 35 had hard mars aspects, that's an extremely high number, for picking random killers.

Now if we mix killers, with average joes, then yes the number drops tremendously, as there are millions of people born with hard mars aspects and don't use violence,however how many of these people HAVE to use violence? Just because one has never been violent, doesn't mean they can't get violent, they just never been given a reason to.

I do you one better, I went back to my Middleschool and HS days and did charts on people who constantly were fighting all the time, and one's who were in prison now for violent acts, and a high number of them had hard mars aspects.

I also did charts on the ones, who when confronted or pushed never pushed back or fought back and they had no serious mars issues, and some had no aspects to mars, now I know no aspects to mars can make one extremely aggressive or extremely passive, all of them were the latter.

So it wasn't just one study I did, I've done a few, one thing I can bet is put a person with an afflicted mars back up against the one, I guarantee they will lash out, I'm going by real life experiences and people who were known killers.

There's something to people with hard mars aspects.
 
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Imhere11

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dhundhun said:
Look into "Mangal Dosa" of Vedic Astrology. That might fascinate and give additional input.

Well Mars is energy representing Action. Philosophically you won't put you first step without this. People with hard aspect usually learn themselves. Like a man with Mars square Venus might have race condition with females - may be in job or may be in school or may be elder sister taking all favors of parents. Without Mars hard aspect, many things will remain unexplored.

When Mars is out-of-control, things go wrong in non social way and non human way.
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Well yea, I just looked into Mangal Dosa yesterday and I've got a friend, with hard mars issues and an very high Mangal Dosa and he's a nut violently, good person, but when he explodes there's no stopping him, he wants blood, seriously and I've witnessed him in action, not a pretty sight.

What's an out of control mars in your opinion?
 
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Imhere11

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JUPITERASC said:
Mother Theresa of Calcutta
XIV Dalai Lama
Pope Francis, the current Pope
Queen Elizabeth II of England
William Shakespeare



all have Mars square a natal planets and/or planets :smile:
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How many of them were forced to use violence or had no other choice but to use violence?:alien:
 
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Imhere11

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JUPITERASC said:
How many of the general population with MARS TRINE NATAL PLANETS were
'forced to use violence or had not other choice but to use violence?' :smile:
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:lol: We can go back and forth all day, I see you have alot of post, so I assume you are alot more knowledgeable than me at this, but my point is why when you look up a majority of killers more times than not ALOT of them have hard mars aspects?

I just don't think it's a coincidence, I think people with hard mars aspects go off into the deep end with violence when extremely angry.

But once again, I would like an input from you and whats your take on what would make one violent then.

Thanks.
 
dhundhun

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Imhere11 said:
Well yea, I just looked into Mangal Dosa yesterday and I've got a friend, with hard mars issues and an very high Mangal Dosa and he's a nut violently, good person, but when he explodes there's no stopping him, he wants blood, seriously and I've witnessed him in action, not a pretty sight.

What's an out of control mars in your opinion?
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For example Mars sextile Mercury will keep Mars controlled through reasoning. But conjunct or square Moon will make emotional violent to the extent of out-of-control. Socially out-of-control is being abusive, physical followed by spending time in isolation.

Mars square Mercury can make out-of-control in different way, making sarcastic, where it is not desired.

Mars is exalted in Capricorn (the sign of Saturn), because Mars can express best if channelized (well directed). Sign of Saturn give best direction to Mars and so Mars acts best in Capricorn.
 
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Hey Imhere11, interesting topic. Have you explored the effects of an out of bounds mars? For example, I've read that if mars is out of bounds and in a damaging position then it would be excessive and could cause problems for the native.

Do you think there is a difference of influence in hard aspects to mars between inner and outer planets?
 
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Imhere11 said:
I did some research on American born serial killers(Looked up 40 of them) and 87%(35/40) of them had at least one hard mars aspect, and 70% of them having 2 or more hard aspects to Mars.
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Can you list the killers with the hard Mars aspect including orbs?
 
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Imhere11

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dhundhun said:
For example Mars sextile Mercury will keep Mars controlled through reasoning. But conjunct or square Moon will make emotional violent to the extent of out-of-control. Socially out-of-control is being abusive, physical followed by spending time in isolation.

Mars square Mercury can make out-of-control in different way, making sarcastic, where it is not desired.

Mars is exalted in Capricorn (the sign of Saturn), because Mars can express best if channelized (well directed). Sign of Saturn give best direction to Mars and so Mars acts best in Capricorn.
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So what does the mangal dosa have to do with one with hard mars aspects or one with soft aspects to mars, what role does mangal play if it's high?
 
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Imhere11

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Blacknight said:
Hey Imhere11, interesting topic. Have you explored the effects of an out of bounds mars? For example, I've read that if mars is out of bounds and in a damaging position then it would be excessive and could cause problems for the native.

Do you think there is a difference of influence in hard aspects to mars between inner and outer planets?
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Im still new so I wouldn't know about out of bounds planets and the very deep depths of astrology, it's just a few studies I did on hard mars aspects and each time a very very high number of extremely violent people or killers had hard mars aspects.
 
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it is an interesting topic. being violent is basically using unreasonable amount of force towards other. it can be due to a wish to cause harm oor due to a lack of understanding regarding one's force and power.
mars is responsible for instincts, urges, self assertion and power. when one of these is being afflicted or badly aspected, it may cause problems that manifest themselves in violence: not knowing how much force is the right amount, applying to much of it, having violent urges atc.

positive aspects of mars will be around same issues but will show these issues in positive way: will power, high self asteem, leadership, knowing how to take control and action on the right time with the right amount of force, high survival instincts, atc. people with strong mars, either afflicted or not, can be good martial art practitioners, good soldiers, good leaders, and some of them may be so aware of their own power to a point they become the best defenders of the weak...
 
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Kabalic Astrologer said:
it is an interesting topic. being violent is basically using unreasonable amount of force towards other. it can be due to a wish to cause harm oor due to a lack of understanding regarding one's force and power.
mars is responsible for instincts, urges, self assertion and power. when one of these is being afflicted or badly aspected, it may cause problems that manifest themselves in violence: not knowing how much force is the right amount, applying to much of it, having violent urges atc.

positive aspects of mars will be around same issues but will show these issues in positive way: will power, high self asteem, leadership, knowing how to take control and action on the right time with the right amount of force, high survival instincts, atc. people with strong mars, either afflicted or not, can be good martial art practitioners, good soldiers, good leaders, and some of them may be so aware of their own power to a point they become the best defenders of the weak...
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Interesting, thanks for your input, as I said in a previous post I've done studies on people I knew with positive Mars aspects and I wouldn't call them chickens, but these people hardly got into violent situations, I don't know if it's a coincidence or it just makes one think smarter.

I have a long way to go in astrology so I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, but one thing I will stand on as of now, is that people with afflicted mars in their chart are capable of very dangerous things when angry.
 
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