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Unread 04-20-2017, 09:59 AM
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Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

Are there any specific placements or aspects that can indicate mental disorders?

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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

There are quite a few: for a study of these, obtain Cornel's "Encyclopedia of Medical Astrology", Carter's "Psychological Astrology", Hall's "Astrological Keywords", Hoffman's "Classical Medical Astrology", J. Hill's "Medical Astrology", Ridder-Patrick's "Handbook of Medical Astrology"., etc
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

Sometimes there are "clues"; but diagnosing mental disorders is not something an astrologer should ever do. We are not doctors. We are map readers.
Few astrologers make "medical astrology" a specialty.

People who are emotionally disturbed (different from mental illness) have some traits that would possibly be similar to each other.....but even that is speculation.

Some people who have terrible and debilitating placements and aspects are not ill....they can be geniuses....in all areas of life.

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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

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There are quite a few: for a study of these, obtain Cornel's "Encyclopedia of Medical Astrology", Carter's "Psychological Astrology", Hall's "Astrological Keywords", Hoffman's "Classical Medical Astrology", J. Hill's "Medical Astrology", Ridder-Patrick's "Handbook of Medical Astrology"., etc
In y Opinion / Hi Dear Specialists, there are a few links between mental illness and astrology: planets in natal wheel chart on the left are away from friends , planets on the upper part of the sky are away from mother and warm mum concept, so in autism there are often stelliums in X XI and XII house of the sky... . Kind regards, I thank for the kind attention! LM.... this enables very early diagnosis of autism by means of natal wheel chart
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

I am not an expert in medical astrology. But when reading natals, there are a few patterns or indicators that one learns to recognize. On a psychological level, a strong emphasis or imbalance surrounding the 3rd house, 6th/12th polarity, and aspects between the planets involved (Neptune? Mercury? Jupiter? Uranus?), may show potential for struggles like depression, addiction, mania, etc. But these matters can also be triggered by transits, progressions, and synastry contacts too, as such external events seem to activate any imbalances in the chart -- even if only temporarily -- that had previously been dormant.

Personally, I think a lot of medical psychology is still in its infancy. Despite the professionalization of the field on a clinical level, I don't think all of the "disorders" they've classified are as neatly cut and dry as they've defined it. I think astrology is a way more sophisticated science for understanding mental issues because it allows for the multidimensional nature of the human mind/body/soul.

But this is a good question. Let me know if anyone has a harder opinion.
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

In natal astrology the parallels of Neptune, Saturn Uranus with the Asc., 3rd/9th house lord(s) thinking perception house lord (s) as well the 4th=Father/paternal, 10th/Mother nourishing affectionate angular early primal level beginnings of life experiences. Secret sorrows 12th the hidden id, 8th occult-karma give specific references of mental development which are evolved by experiences directed from these signs, lords, houses with aspects to other planets. The Parallels of declination are of long lasting energies affecting us long after our childhood into our adulthood; the progressions of these are very long of tenure.

Incidences and activities we tend to hide deep within our psych connected to these houses and their signs/lords, affect the way we develop conceptual ideas and attitudes that help direct our future in that we will be able to interact with others, developing successful interpersonal relationships, in the outside world and within our peer groups in the household; required building blocks for successful conceptual perspectives paramount to a balanced developed state of mind, and spirit.

Venus of Taurus/Libra stimulates us from emotional interactions with the first toys we receive, the touch principle, form/symmetry assessment development associations, taste and sensory reflections, responses.

Should we not be able to clear confusing incidences activities affected by our life long associations with the interactional meanings related to these planets, houses, sign references with enough understanding by parental intervention by protective, conversational explanations with a feeling of unconditional love as the backdrop, we will not think or respond in normal fashion to a common ordinary, conception of association development/values.

Because planets in Parallels are so long to progress away from the ponderous ones, they have the most impact on the way we continue any progressive thinking patterns.

Have Mercury (thinking 3rd house Gemini intercepted in 10th, where Saturn is natural host=recluse energy) where prior it left the opposition of Saturn only to engage in an opposition with Neptune, both in Libra, Venus at the helm. The bedroom sign Libra deposited on natural Taurus 2nd house; a sensory early development stimulus energy.

The midpoint between Saturn and Neptune is about 14 degrees, with my natal Mercury in the 8th house at 16th degrees in Aries. The placement is indicative of critical thinking behaviorisms; i.e.; passive aggressive attitudes as the result, should Venus connections be unfavorable, leaning on other strong figures, paternal in nature. Belief (Jupiter in 9th) in a higher power as an extension of self, looking to a higher source of Father- Abba, being the necessary component to deflecting/clearing unsavory events of sense perceptions that possibly distort and later interfere with attitudes to help us engage in healthy affectionate relationships of any long lasting future prospect.

In my early Jung reading days, skimming through his psychology conceptions reflecting his Astrological associations/principles and techniques he used, I found the needful clarity to overcome some of my early youth bugaboos, not all, but some.

Look to the progressed Parallels/Contra Parallels; conjunction (blending together = cohesiveness, and opposition energies, = an awareness for the needless dross we must separate our selves from, "quality vs quantity', i.e.; value systems both for the recognition perhaps of self preservation skills.

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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

If Moon or Mercury do not aspect the ASC, and Malefic planets are afflicting the ASC, Mercury, and the Moon, and unaided by benefics; malefics at an angle afflicting the aforementioned things without the help of benefics.

Does this theory hold up?
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

Thanks Jupiter. If it wasn't for you I'd fit that description perfectly.
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Thanks Jupiter. If it wasn't for you I'd fit that description perfectly.
Hey, not to mention your Moon aspects the ASC .
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

Oh yes
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

This is the chart provided by Lilly
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/...ing_of_England

Mercury and Moon do not aspect the ASC or to each other
Mars was angular, and made a zodiacal square to the ASC and the Moon
Mercury was being afflicted by Saturn

You do see both planets being aided by benefics, meaning the benefics did mitigate some damage, but he says that Saturn approaching a zodiacal square to Mars overpowered it.
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

John Nash

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Mercury conjunct ascendant
Mars squares both ascendant and Mercury
Mars conjuncts the Moon almost partile and in domicile
Saturn trines Moon/Mars and is received into his fall

No mitigation from either benefic

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Edit: Venus sextiles Moon but it's weak as Venus is in the dexter position, combust and located in the 12th house. Definitely not strong enough.

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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

Can you explain what you think of reception of a planet in fall in that above chart? Itís called rejection, I think. How would you describe its interaction in general and in the chart?
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

Also here you go:

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Now, with reference to these, it is always essential to consider the planet Mercury and the Moon, and to observe in what mode they may be disposed towards each other, and towards the angles, and also to-wards the malefics: for, if the Moon and Mercury be unconnected with each other, or with the oriental horizon, and provided such planets as may be adversely and noxiously configurated should be in elevation above them, or overrule them, or be in opposition to them, the mental properties will then consequently become impregnated with various disorders: the characters of which may be clearly known by the qualities of the stars thus controlling the places.

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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

How I tend to view negative receptions is that the planet that is being received into it's fall/detriment becomes a more hostile force in the chart, as it is being drawn into an area that disagrees with its nature. So I'd expect it to be more trouble-making than anything else.

Saturn's location in the 6th house makes the aspects described even more geared toward the health, and having a malefic in the house isn't nice either (unless it's the other malefic).
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

Thatís interesting. Trines are always said to be a good and positive influence, as it is an aspect of harmony, cooperation, and talents.

I understand trines can be malefic. But that doesnít sound very good - a cooperation of negative forces: troublemaking comes easy.
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http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Dostoevsky,_Fyodor

Mercury is in Sagittarius, retrograde and conjunct fixed star Antares alongside Ascendant

Mercury opposes Moon who is located in Gemini, conjunct the descendant and located on the fixed star Aldebaran.

Both Oppose each other

No affliction by the malefics.

Antares:

If Rising: Riches and honor, violence, sickness, benefits seldom last.
With Mercury: Suspicious, wrongfully accuses friends, unpopular, uses ecclesiastic influence in business, money obtained slowly and with much difficulty, danger of sickness to the native and his family, and death of a relative at home or away.

Aldebaran:

With Moon: Favorable for business, honor and credit, especially if in the 1st or 10th house, but danger of calamity. Favorable for domestic, public and religious matters; danger of a violent death. If at the same time Mars or Saturn is with Antares (opposite) the native is liable to be hanged or killed by a sword thrust. (Well, he did survive a firing squad)

This example is a strike against Lilly's declaration although mutable signs have been noted as causing mental instability + the royal fixed stars make things more extreme. Moon opposite Mercury doesn't seem all that comfortable an aspect for mental balance either, especially in the signs they are located in.
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That’s interesting. Trines are always said to be a good and positive influence, as it is an aspect of harmony, cooperation, and talents.

I understand trines can be malefic. But that doesn’t sound very good - a cooperation of negative forces: troublemaking comes easy.
Yeah, I think it's that idea that was behind the whole misunderstanding when the term "malefic trine" was brought up in a previous discussion. Is ease and harmony always beneficial?

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Mutable signs "render the mind variable, versatile, not easy to be understood, volatile, and unsteady; inclined to duplicity, amorous, wily, fond of music, careless, full of expedients, and regretful.Ē

Lilly/Zadkiel cut and paste from Ptolemy. Check out the chapter on The Diseases of the Mind. Itís far more detailed than his cliffnotes.
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Re: Mental Disorders and The Birth Chart

I haven't cracked open an astrology book for a long while now. Maybe a refreshing session is in order.
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Put your findings in this thread please thank you very much
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Who said I was starting now? kek
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What? Aren’t refreshers supposed to be quick, like spraying a cold mist on your face on a hot summer day?
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Yes, but I'm in a more indolent mood. I won't be speedy speeding for the night.
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