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Functional benefic or natural malefic!

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When a planet is a natural malefic but functional benefic (or vice-a-versa), does it leave its maleficence or beneficence as the case may be? Or in other words, whether such planet should be taken as benefic (disregarding it malefic nature) or its malefic nature is somewhat decreased?


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When a planet is a natural malefic but functional benefic (or vice-a-versa), does it leave its maleficence or beneficence as the case may be? Or in other words, whether such planet should be taken as benefic (disregarding it malefic nature) or its malefic nature is somewhat decreased?


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It ceases to be a malefic; rather sheds its natural malefic qualities.
While it will act as a functional benefic.

The 'vice versa' is differently applied.

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The 'vice versa' is differently applied.

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Thanks for clarifying. And I would be even more grateful if you could tell how differently should the 'vice-a-versa' part be interpreted.
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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

If a natural malefic is transformed (in a specific chart) into a functional benefic, it loses (for that chart) all malefic qualities: if a natural benefic is transformed (in a specific chrt) into a functional malefic, it loses (for that chart) all benefic qualities.
HOWEVER-be aware that any planet can-depending upon concurrent circumstances-only be PARTIALLY transformed: in these very common cases, the natural tendency of the planet will be SOMEWHAT MORE DOMINANT in such partial (ie mixed) circumstances: eg, Saturn has 27 sarva bindus in its placement in X chart-Saturn is thus PARTIALLY transformed into a PARTIAL (MIXED) functional benefic-however, since this is only a PARTIAL transformation, there will be SOMEWHAT more - Saturn influence in its mixture, than + Saturn influence, since Saturn is a "natural" malefic (if Saturn had 31 or more sarva bindus, it would have been completely transformed into a functional benefic and no malefic qualities of Saturn would be expected to have influence in that chart)
...same principle applies to all the planets...
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Thanks for clarifying. And I would be even more grateful if you could tell how differently should the 'vice-a-versa' part be interpreted.

Hello,

For the 'vice versa' apply the same logic as I mentioned above.

Then there are strengths due to placements which come in later, and should not be mixed up for evaluating this.

The natural & functional thing is for a different, separate reason; without care for placements. Just the raw form for all lagnas.

Say for a particular lagna Mars is always a natural malefic; but for Meen lagna Mars is a functional benefic being the 2nd. & 9th lord.



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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

Hello,

Thanks dr. farr. and RishiRahul for explaining. Dr. farr. given below is ashtakvarga table taken from astrosage.com. When you say a planet has 27 bindus, are you adding up the numbers given in front of them in this table?


Ashtakvarga Table
Sign No 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Sun 2 4 4 4 4 4 3 6 3 3 6 5
Moon 3 1 4 4 3 5 6 3 4 4 6 6
Mars 2 2 2 4 3 5 3 4 3 2 6 3
Merc 4 5 5 4 4 5 3 5 4 6 4
Jupt 5 5 5 4 3 5 5 2 5 7 3 7
Venu 6 3 2 5 6 2 5 5 5 5 5 3
Satn 3 4 1 2 3 3 2 4 2 3 6 6
Total 26 23 23 28 26 28 29 27 27 28 38 34
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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

Where it says "total" (at the bottom) this = the total sarva bindus for that sign: any planet in that sign would have that total of sarva bindus (sign # = signs from Aries, #1, to Pisces, #12)

Example: in the posted table: Aries = 26 bindus; Taurus = 23 bindus; Gemini = 23 bindus; Cancer = 28 bindus; Leo = 26 bindus; Virgo = 28 bindus; Libra = 29 bindus; Scorpio = 27 bindus; Sagittarius = 27 bindus; Capricorn = 28 bindus; Aquarius = 38 bindus; Pisces = 34 bindus.

The list of numbers next to each planet, show the bindus contributed by each planet to each sign:
Example: Saturn: 3 (under sign 1) means Saturn contributes 3 bindus to Aries; next number, 4, (under sign 2) means Saturn contributes 4 bindus to Taurus, etc etc; same with all the other planets.

Determining the dignity/detriment (hence functional benefic/functional malefic) qualities of each planet based on sarva bindus:
-find the sign the planet is posited in
-see the total sarva bindus for that sign (at the bottom of the list by the word) Total
-use the following table to determine if the planet is "dignified" (by sarva bindu totals) or mixed or "detrimented" (by sarva bindu totals)

-24 or fewer sarva bindus = detrimented (= functionally malefic)
-25 to 30 sarva bindus = mixed (see my discussion of "partial transformation" in my earlier post to this thread)
-31 or higher sarva bindus = dignified (= functionally benefic)
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