A Discussion Thread About Racism in America

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Marduk

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JUPITERASC said:
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Hello,
Please don't get started on Winston Churchill. He was a drunkard, a coward and a mass murderer as far as I am concerned. He sided, as did the US, with good old Uncle Joe Stalin. Another mass murderer of his own people. WWII, as I stated before, was horrific and I will also state completely unnecessary and contrived to bring Germany under the heel of the international Banksters. This is happening today in the middle easy. But this is really not part of the discussion.
 
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petosiris

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david starling said:
Are you saying that an immigrant to America who is of the ethnic heritage known as "Bushman" should be ruled out as a possible mathematician due to genetics? That would be racist. [IMO]
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In the case of Bushmen living in a hunter-gatherer society, it is technically impossible for them to become university professors at mathematics since they do not have universities in the first place :unsure:

In the case of Bushmen that emigrate to the USA, they obviously have the ability to go to university and become professors at mathematics, if they possess the intelligence and skills to do so. However, just as ethnic groups have different bodies, height, skin colour, facial appearance, athletic ability, so there seems to be evidence that they also differ partly in intelligence genetically, which would inevitably predispose the Bushmen to have fewer mathematicians statistically per head of the population. Therefore, both discrimination and quotas are ridiculous, the preceding because its possible for all races to become mathematicians, and the latter because its impossible for all races to be equal in mathematics skill, or athletic ability, or take X and Y.

Is that racism?
 
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david starling

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david starling said:
In the native culture, in Africa, "mathematician" would be an unlikely career choice. But, an immigrant to America who is of the ethnic heritage known as "Bushman" should not be ruled out as a possible mathematician due to genetics. That would be racist. [IMO]
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Here's what I should have posted. My bad! :pinched:
 
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petosiris

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''The major argument in modern times is between those who define equality in terms of social status, and those who define it in terms of equality of biological inheritance. Equality of social status has always been a socialist idea, and it is certainly possible to argue about its desirability, or the possibility of achieving it. Equality of biological abilities and traits is a chimera which no thinking person should entertain for one moment.'' - Hans Eysenck
 
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david starling

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Some ethnic cultures are more inclined to intellectual pursuits than others. But, not everyone goes along with cultural inheritance, so an astrologer should work on a case by case basis, and avoid generalized assumptions.
 
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petosiris

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david starling said:
Some ethnic cultures are more inclined to intellectual pursuits than others. But, not everyone goes along with cultural inheritance, so an astrologer should work on a case by case basis, and avoid generalized assumptions.
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''So then, as, among all genethlialogical inquiries whatever, a more general destiny takes precedence of all particular considerations, namely, that of country of birth, to which the major details of a geniture are naturally subordinate, such as the topics of the form of the body, the character of the soul and the variations of manners and customs, it is also necessary that he who makes his inquiry naturally should always hold first to the primary and more authoritative cause, lest, misled by the similarity of the genitures, he should unwitting generally call, let us say, the Ethiopian white or straight-haired, and the German or Gaul black-skinned and woolly-haired, or the latter gentle in character, fond of discussion, or fond of contemplation, and the Greeks savage of soul and untutored of mind; or, again, on the subject of marriage, lest he mistake the appropriate customs and manners by assigning, for example, marriage with a sister to one who is Italian by race, instead of to the Egyptian as he should, and a marriage with his mother to this latter, though it suits the Persian. Thus in general it is needful first to apprehend universal conditions of destiny, and then to attach to them the particular conditions which relate to degree. In the same fashion likewise, dealing with the division of time, one must take as a basis in each single prediction the differences and special properties of the temporal ages, and see to it that we do not, in the ordinary, simple treatment of matters incident to the inquiry, carelessly assign to a babe action or marriage, or anything that belongs to adults, or to an extremely old man the begetting of children or anything else that fits younger men; but once and for all let us harmonize those details which are contemplated in temporal terms with that which is suitable and possible for persons in the various age-classes.'' - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/4C*.html#10

No, you start with generalizations, and then make particularizations, since the particularizations are affected by the generalizations...
 
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david starling

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petosiris said:
''The major argument in modern times is between those who define equality in terms of social status, and those who define it in terms of equality of biological inheritance. Equality of social status has always been a socialist idea, and it is certainly possible to argue about its desirability, or the possibility of achieving it. Equality of biological abilities and traits is a chimera which no thinking person should entertain for one moment.'' - Hans Eysenck
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The U.S. Constitution is based on the first definition. I don't think that makes it "socialist" in the economic sense, which includes no private ownership. "Socialist" is so poorly defined in today's parlance that it's useless in a meaningful discussion of what we have in America.
 
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david starling

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petosiris said:
''So then, as, among all genethlialogical inquiries whatever, a more general destiny takes precedence of all particular considerations, namely, that of country of birth, to which the major details of a geniture are naturally subordinate, such as the topics of the form of the body, the character of the soul and the variations of manners and customs, it is also necessary that he who makes his inquiry naturally should always hold first to the primary and more authoritative cause, lest, misled by the similarity of the genitures, he should unwitting generally call, let us say, the Ethiopian white or straight-haired, and the German or Gaul black-skinned and woolly-haired, or the latter gentle in character, fond of discussion, or fond of contemplation, and the Greeks savage of soul and untutored of mind; or, again, on the subject of marriage, lest he mistake the appropriate customs and manners by assigning, for example, marriage with a sister to one who is Italian by race, instead of to the Egyptian as he should, and a marriage with his mother to this latter, though it suits the Persian. Thus in general it is needful first to apprehend universal conditions of destiny, and then to attach to them the particular conditions which relate to degree. In the same fashion likewise, dealing with the division of time, one must take as a basis in each single prediction the differences and special properties of the temporal ages, and see to it that we do not, in the ordinary, simple treatment of matters incident to the inquiry, carelessly assign to a babe action or marriage, or anything that belongs to adults, or to an extremely old man the begetting of children or anything else that fits younger men; but once and for all let us harmonize those details which are contemplated in temporal terms with that which is suitable and possible for persons in the various age-classes.'' - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/4C*.html#10

No, you start with generalizations, and then make particularizations, since the particularizations are affected by the generalizations...
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There are ALWAYS exceptions.
 
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david starling

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petosiris said:
I don't think you understand my question. Do you believe that everything I just pointed out is contained within the birth chart and why? So in the case of the Bushmen, do you think they all have cadent Mercury or something?
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I'll ask you, if it's a cold reading with no name given, and the birth was in the U.S., how would you see ethnic background in a Natal-chart?
 
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Marduk

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david starling said:
Christianity, like astrology, is intrinsically non-racist. But, racists can claim to be "Christians".
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Yet they certainly are an inclusive group and while not 'racist' follow the pattern. If your not a Christian you get to go to hell regardless of your good works. If not a Jew you are not chosen by God and not destined to rule over the goy, who are less than animals. If not a Muslim then not a human, and if a Jew then a pig, if a non-muslim woman than a likely slut and an animal just asking to get raped (not protected). It goes on and on. None of this is my opinion, it is all written in their books and codified. Baked in the systems.

Membership equals better than non-members.

While I agree the the mechanics of astrology on a personal basis basis are non-racial, non-religious, etc; I believe some of the foundational definitions seem to have been conceived by racial and religious considerations. And because these definitions are used to make judgements about the results of the mechanics they are in effect baked into the system. I certainly could be wrong but based upon my limited reading the authors seem to have definite ideas about groups of people and their qualities and used astrology to explain this.

On a foundational level nearly every system of belief has some roots in culture and racial perceptions. Hard to get away from but not always evil or vindictive. It should just be considered. Look at definitions about body types and what they foretell. Aquiline features and a noble personality. Hook nose and sneaky avarice. Fleshy, soft features and love of pleasure and idleness. Now, some of the features map easily into racial norms and wallah! Your pigeon-holed!:w00t:
 
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