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An (apparently Hellenist) astrology board has just been found in a cave sealed since around 100 BC, in central Europe (Croatia)today; it is the oldest such board known and is believed to date from apprximately 200 BC; it will be interesting to see what's on the board (it has ivory pieces with the signs of the zodiac engraved upon them) So here is a bit of evidence from early Hellenist times (some believe the board originated in Egypt)
Fascinating! Moog, thanks for the link for it. Nicholas Campion refers to a similar find in his book The Dawn of Astrology. Darned if I can relocate it.

What fascinates me about this find is that it shows constellation pictures. Apparently our glyphs for signs were a later development. Manilius has a pretty detailed catalogue of how different stars in the constellations indicate different rising times. For a night birth, you could actually peg the ASC and planets on these constellation pictures.
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Relative to your last paragraph, that WAS the original purpose of macrocosmic analysis

and prediction (forgive me, that is how the hermeticists always refer to "astrology", and am I guilty of being one of them);


TIMING of events, actions, physical and spiritual, was (once) the all-important thing to know:


the most ancient Egyptian indications show this, and it is also clear


from astrological references in the Vedas and Puranas of India

(dating to as early as 2000/3000BC) , that this katarchic understanding held sway, possibly for millenia.
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The Egyptians were not Nubians.
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Robert Schmidt Discusses the Inventor of Western Astrology
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The Egyptians were not Nubians.
Is that important?
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Is that important?
Relative to post above it, perhaps. Like Ptolemy 2.2.
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Robert Schmidt Discusses the Inventor of Western Astrology
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Eudoxus, like Hipparchus, was known for his abilities as an astronomer. But, as Schmidt points out, that doesn't preclude his being an astrologer as well.
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Eudoxus, like Hipparchus, was known for his abilities as an astronomer.
But, as Schmidt points out, that doesn't preclude his being an astrologer as well.

Schmidt does not mention Hipparchus except that Hipparchus chronicled
Eudoxus
Schmidt discusses ANAXAGORAS PLATO et al
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''No reliance whatever is to be placed in Chaldean astrologers when they profess to forecast a man's future from the position of the stars on the day of his birth.'' - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...atione/2*.html

See also waybread's and Levente's arguments in this thread.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewto...r=asc&start=30

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewto...r=asc&start=45
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''No reliance whatever is to be placed in Chaldean astrologers when they profess to forecast a man's future from the position of the stars on the day of his birth.'' - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...atione/2*.html

See also waybread's and Levente's arguments in this thread.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewto...r=asc&start=30

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewto...r=asc&start=45
Robert Schmidt Discusses the Inventor of Western Astrology
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Schmidts opinion is interesting
http://www.projecthindsight.com/
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Relative to post above it, perhaps. Like Ptolemy 2.2.
Claudius Ptolemaus VS Denderah Zodiac
or the Greek impostor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqSNvHDg3G8
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