lilopinpin
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simple question, for example mars in gemini and mercury capricorn. would this put any strenght in those planets?
thankyou
thankyou
simple question, for example mars in gemini and mercury capricorn. would this put any strenght in those planets?
thankyou
you know how much i love you but i have to sort of disagree with you
see that kind of mutual reception strengthens both planets because they are not in conflict.
seems OP is highlighting reception by mutual exaltationDirius
you know how much i love you but i have to sort of disagree with you
see that kind of mutual reception strengthens both planets because they are not in conflict.
sun/mars both hot and dry yes they are in square but it is not a bad one
square by exalt is worse it is more aggressive
hugs
T
Interesting then that GW BUSH has Libra Jupiter square Cancer Saturnsquare by exalt is worse it is more aggressive
simple question, for example mars in gemini and mercury capricorn. would this put any strenght in those planets?
thankyou
The OP choice of example of reception by exaltation was flawedThis isn't really mutual reception by exaltation,
since Mercury is not the exaltation ruler of Gemini.
What you have here is mixed mutual reception. It's still valid, but because as Dirius is pointing out, not going to be terribly helpful because the signs themselves are in aversion, meaning they do not see each other.
That said, Paul of Alexandria, among others, gives us a bit of insight into averse signs, and the ways that the aversion can be mitigated. Capricorn and Gemini are signs of equal rising. To encapsulate what Paul tells us, signs of equal rising that are disjunct by 150* will sympathize with each other (this is also called generosity), though they might not be able to affect the significations of one another. In the case of Gemini and Capricorn, Capricorn has more "power/influence" over Gemini.
The whole point of mitigating aversion is to provide those signs, and the planets within them, a way of bearing witness, or giving testimony to the rulers of those signs and so influence the direction of the significations of those signs/houses.
In the case of Capricorn/Gemini, Mercury would be much like the friendly neighbor (think the character of Wilson in the "Home Improvement" series) who has terrific advice for life matters, but isn't directly involved in the affairs of Mars. Mercury brings experience, wisdom, and Mars will listen, but ultimately Mercury cannot do anything to actually affect the affairs of Mars, and likely won't be bothered much by or solicit the advice of Mars.
You are missing my point tik.
I'm saying that it is not the mutual reception what gives strength, because mutual reception its just good disposition between the planets. It is the aspect which provides the benefits or debilities between the planets. A mutual reception without an aspect, doesn't really mean much because there wouldn't be an interaction between both planets (as is the case of OP), and is also another way to avoid a problem.
Thats what I was trying to say
without an aspect in nativity it is still effective
i have 2 pairs
mars behaves like moon
moon behaves like mars
venus behaves like merc
merc acts like venus
no aspects between them
This is very interesting. Would you mind to describe a bit further or maybe an example of what you mean by "moon acts like Mars; Mars acts like moon?"
Dirius, continuing on the interesting theme of reception by exaltationIn the general sense of natal chart reading,
mutual reception is considered when 2 planets are making an aspect,
to help determine the implications of such interaction.
In your example both planets are not making an aspect (Gemini-Capricorn are disconnected signs).
Example: Sun in Scorpio squaring Mars in Leo (recieving each other by sign)
Planets in mutual reception are not really "strengthen" by each other per se,
there is merely just a good disposition between them, and in the case that they have some sort of interaction (by aspect or conjunction),
will either benefit more easily from the other planet's positive influence or avoid the negative one.
They are also able to overcome problems created by the negative nature of an aspect (square or opposition) with much more ease.
In the example I provided above the mutual reception helps "tone down"
both the negative implications of the square aspect
and the malefic influence Mars may cast over the Sun.
Reception can be mixed:
rulership to rulership, exaltation to exaltation, term to term, triplicity to exaltation, rulership to face, etc.
Dirius, continuing on the interesting theme of reception by exaltation
mutual reception by exaltation for planets in SQUARE aspect
cannot occur in either Fixed or Mutable signs
Your example of Sun in Scorpio squaring Mars in Leo
is reception by domicile
however
reception by exaltation re: planets in SQUARE aspect is found solely in CARDINAL Signs
Thank you, JA, for helping clarify and define the scope of the discussion.
If I may, I would like raise an example for comment from Darius and others who might be interested:
How do you see Moon in Leo applying to square Sun in Taurus?
This would represent a mixed reception, but I wonder if Darius or others might comment on how either reception might mitigate this very challenging square; challenging because it is also Sun in the 9th and Moon in the 12th.