Sun in Essential Detriment in Tropical Aquarius

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
I would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.

for example :smile:

Zhou Kehua was a former mercenary soldier in Burma
born 6 February 1970 Jinkou Town, Shapingba District, Chongqing, municipality China.
was an AQUARIUS serial killer who targeted ATM users.
He killed 10 people and evaded the law for 8 years
then after a year-long manhunt
Zhou Kehua died 14 August 2012 Age 42
of ballistic trauma, shot dead by police
during a shott out at Chongqing, municipality in China.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
So, you're saying Sun in Aquarius is inherently weak in some way or other, as a generalization?

I haven't noticed that in practice.

What evidence supports the theory in your experience
(not necessarily in your own case).
Yoshio Kodaira was a Japanese AQUARIUS :smile:
serial killer and rapist
born 28 January 1905 Tochigi, Tochigi Prefecture, Japan.
Kodaira Married, had no children
Kodaira killed his father-in-law in 1932
and eight to ten women in Japan between 1945 and 1946.
In the 1920s, Kodaira was deployed to Northern China
as a sailor in the Imperial Japanese Navy and participated in the Jinan incident.
Hetrosexual Kodaira engaged in acts of necrophilia with the corpse after the fifth murder
and stuck a sword into the belly of a pregnant woman.
He was arrested on 20 August 1946 Age 41, convicted on 16 November 1948 Age 43
sentenced to death by hanging
at Miyagi Prison in Wakabayashi-ku, Sendai, Miyagi Prefecture, Japan.
Yoshio Kodaira was executed by hanging on 5 October 1949 age 44
at Miyagi Prison in Wakabayashi-ku, Sendai, Miyagi Prefecture, Japan.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
It's a tolerant, individualistic attitude

which Aquarian Suns share with other Sun-signs.


Not seeing any Essential Detriment
.
Manuel Delgado Villegas Spanish serial killer
and wandering AQUARIUS bisexual, necrophile criminal :smile:
born 25 January 1943 Seville, city in the province of Seville, Spain.
aka El Arropiero The Arrope Trader
and aka El Estrangulador del Puerto The Strangler of Puerto.
never married, had no children.
Villegas confessed to the murders of forty-eight people
of different gender, age and sexual orientation
was active in the following three separate countries countries: France, Spain, Italy
police only investigated him for twenty-two murders in Spain.
In 1964 Age 20/21 Manuel Delgado Villegas started his killing spree
he was known to rob, commit acts of necrophilia, beat, suffocate, strangle, rape
and murder his victims and was known to kill at the home of the victim.
Some of his victims were killed with hand to hand combat techniques
that he learned while in the Spanish Foreign Legion.
He was diagnosed with a severe mental disorder
and XYY syndrome a rare chromosomal disorder that affects only males .
He was arrested 18 January 1971 Age 27
sentenced to being preventively detained at Carabanchel Penitentiary Psychiatric Hospital
in Madrid, Spain.
Manuel Delgado Villegas died 2 February 1998 Age 55, cause of death: natural causes
lung disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
at Hospital Can Ruti, a psychiatric hospital located in Badalona, Catalonia, Spain.
 

AJ Astrology

Well-known member
Hey AJ, got any serial killer listings for people with Jupiter on the Ascendant? :biggrin:

Hi david starling,

Alas, my Kepler database has few criminals.

for example :smile:

Hi JUPITERASC,

That is not an example. A grocery list of serial killers is not proof of anything, other than they exist. You still haven't shown how Aquarian Sun is damaged. I even posted three charts of Aquarian Suns, and you have shown anything except links to some chris brennan guy who I don't know and don't care to know.

Yes, two of the three were murdered, but not because they had an Aquarian Sun. Those three charts disprove the whole claim Sun is in detriment, because all three of those people excelled, as people with Aquarian Suns often do.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi david starling,
Alas, my Kepler database has few criminals.
so far I have posted details of sixteen AQUARIUS serial killers
from various countries worldwide
to boost your database

Hi JUPITERASC,
That is not an example. A grocery list of serial killers is not proof of anything,
other than they exist.
so you are saying that your own grocery list of serial killers posted earlier
proves nothing
but you nevertheless posted that list

You still haven't shown how Aquarian Sun is damaged.
I even posted three charts of Aquarian Suns, an
d you have shown anything except links to some chris brennan guy
who I don't know and don't care to know.
you have not shown the benefits of being murdered
whereas
I have posted at least sixteen Aquarius serial killers dob
the data to create their charts is there free, gratis and for nothing
Yes, two of the three were murdered, but
not because they had an Aquarian Sun.
Those three charts disprove the whole claim Sun is in detriment, because
all three of those people excelled, as people with Aquarian Suns often do.
if your contention is valid
then

a grocery list of three Aquarius suns who in your opinion excelled
proves nothing
meanwhile
because

you said earlier
that you "could find no one with an Aquarian sun who suffered"
and I quote
I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered

or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).
Siriusly
you even said you "expected to see more criminals
.........but see exactly the opposite" :smile:
and I quote
If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
therefore another example for your database is as follows:
Romulus Veres Romanian AQUARIUS serial killer known as The Hammer Man
aka The Man with the Hammer
born 23 January 1929 in Cluj-Napoca, city in Cluj County, Romania.
killed victims with a hammer or by stabbing them with a knife.
One victim was pregnant and found in a pool of blood
neighbors thought she had given birth.
Discovering that the woman had been hit in the head, she was rushed to the hospital
and later survived.
Veres set fire to the bodies of two of his later victims
and was known to have raped at least one victim.
as a serial killer he was known to rob, stalk, rape, mutilate, and murder his victims.
He was known to kill at the home of the victim.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime.
Veres blamed the Devil for his actions, he suffered from schizophrenia
which was used as the grounds of insanity.
He was arrested on 14 February 1974 Age 45
convicted 2 February 1976 Age 47 sentenced to preventive detention
and was institutionalized in the Stei Psychiatric Hospital in Romania
where he died from liver disease 13 December 1993 Age 64
cause of death: natural causes, at the Stei Psychiatric Hospital in Romania.
 

david starling

Well-known member
How about comparing the number of Sun Aquarians in the entire world against the number of Sun Aquarians who are known murderers? What's the percentage? Is it statistically significant?
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
There's a misconception about Aquarius as an Age-sign that seems somewhat widespread:
That it will be a dictatorship ruled by elite, shadowy types, and will require conformity
to what they dictate. Not sure where this perception is from, but
from what I've seen, Sun Aquarians are individualistic, and
allow others to be the same.
They also don't like forcing others to follow their agenda.
"If it works for you, fine", when it comes to astrology, appears to be an Aquarian attitude.
Not seeing that as a "debility".
It just goes to show that generalizations are fun, but unreliable.
Any evidence of Essential Detriment regarding Aquarian Suns that you'd care to share?
consider :smile:
Robert Berdella aka Robert Andrew Berdella Jr. an American AQUARIUS serial killer
aka The Kansas City Butcher and The Collector born 31 January 1949 Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, US.
Homosexual, never married, no children, atheist, Berdella abducted, raped tortured
and murdered at least six men between 1984 and 1987.
He would hold victims captive for periods of up to six weeks.
Berdella dissected his victims' bodies and dispose of the body parts in garbage bags.
His last victims escaped and alerted the police.
He was arrested 2 April 1988 Age 39, convicted 19 December 1988 Age 39
He was convicted on charges of torture, murder, rape, kidnapping.
sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole
at the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri, US.
Robert Berdella died on 8 October 1992 Age 43 of natural causes
heart attack, myocardial infarction while incarcerated
at the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri, US.
 

AJ Astrology

Well-known member

Hi JUPITERASC,

You still haven't made a case.

The fact that a serial killer has an Aquarian Sun proves nothing, other than some of the many, many serial killers have an Aquarian Sun and for everyone on your grocery list I can list that doesn't have it.

You've failed or refused to show how the Aquarian Sun is a causal factor, but then that wouldn't be possible except under the most extraordinary circumstance and that would have to be Aquarian Sun H7 hammered by Mars and in aspect with Moon and Saturn.

The OP wins this debate, since you can't disprove his claim:

Not seeing it, myself.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi JUPITERASC,
You still haven't made a case.
The fact that a serial killer has an Aquarian Sun proves nothing, other than some of the many, many serial killers have an Aquarian Sun and for everyone on your grocery list I can list that doesn't have it. You've failed or refused to show how the Aquarian Sun is a causal factor, but then that wouldn't be possible except under the most extraordinary circumstance and that would have to be Aquarian Sun H7 hammered by Mars and in aspect with Moon and Saturn.
The OP wins this debate, since you can't disprove his claim:
you ignore the following comment made by the OP
Sure it's a problem, if a supposedly "weak" placement has strong Chart-influence.
you also ignore your own comment :smile:
Hi david starling,

I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
somehow you overlooked/could not find
Aquarius Sun "criminals and infamous people"
I'm simply highlighting
that in fact
infamous criminals/ne'er-do-wells who are also AQUARIUS are plentiful :smile:


such as:

Cody Legebokoff aka Cody Alan Legebokoff AQUARIUS Canadian serial killer and rapist
aka The Country Boy Killer born 21 January 1990 Fort St. James, British Columbia
At the time of his crimes he was living with three close female friends in Prince George
he never married, had no children
Legebokoff murdered three women and a teenage girl
between 2009 and 2010 in British Columbia, Canada.
One victim was included as a suspected victim in the Highway of Tears murders.
He used the handle 1CountryBoy on a Canadian social-networking site named Nexopia.
He is one of Canada's youngest serial killers
the youngest was Peter Woodcock who was only 17 years old when he was active in Canada.
Legebokoff was arrested 28 November 2010 Age 20
convicted 11 September 2014 Age 24
In 2014, Legebokoff was sentenced to life in prison with no parole for twenty-five years.
In 2019, Cody Legebokoff was transferred
from the maximum security Kent Institution in British Columbia
to the medium security Warkworth Institution in Ontario.
 

AJ Astrology

Well-known member
you ignore the following comment made by the OP

you also ignore your own comment :smile:

somehow you overlooked/could not find
Aquarius Sun "criminals and infamous people"
I'm simply highlighting
that in fact
infamous criminals/ne'er-do-wells who are also AQUARIUS are plentiful :smile:

Hi JUPITERASC,

As I explained earlier, my Kepler data-base doesn't have a cast of thousands of criminals that your source obviously does.

We have yet another bandwidth-wasting post by you in which you failed or refused to show how an Aquarian Sun is debilitated.

Your failure or refusal to show how Aquarian Suns are debilitated is telling indeed.

Your knowledge of astrology is hardly impressive.

Serial killers are very Saturnian, not Solar.

The word "serial" in "serial killer" should have been your very first clue that serial killers are Saturnian, not Solar or Mercurial or Martian.

Serial killers are highly disciplined. A Saturnian quality. They make few mistakes, another Saturnian quality, which is why it takes so long to catch them, if they're even caught at all.

Serial killers are very selective about their victims, often spending days, weeks or months (and in some instances years) stalking them. Just another Saturnian quality.

Serial killers are extremely meticulous in their planning, one more Saturnian quality, which is also why they are difficult to catch, if they're ever caught at all.

Serial killers repeatedly employ the same manner/method of death, which is their "signature" and is often how they are named by police or the media, and is yet one more Saturnian quality.

None of that has anything to do with an Aquarian Sun.

If you have something fruitful to add to the discussion that is actually on-topic and proves your claim that an Aquarian Sun is debilitated, then do it, otherwise you just continue to look like a fool.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi JUPITERASC,

As I explained earlier, my Kepler data-base doesn't have a cast of thousands of criminals that your source obviously does.
We have yet another bandwidth-wasting post by you in which you failed or refused to show how an Aquarian Sun is debilitated.
Your failure or refusal to show how Aquarian Suns are debilitated is telling indeed.
Your knowledge of astrology is hardly impressive.
Thanks - you too AJ
good that we are in agreement on that :smile:
if you bothered to read all of my comments
you would be aware that I repeatedly state that I'm no expert
keep in mind that ours is an amateur online astrological forum
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
If you have something fruitful to add to the discussion
that is actually on-topic and proves your claim
that an Aquarian Sun is debilitated, then do it,
otherwise you just continue to look like a fool.
.
Fools seldom differ
your erudite comment follows
Serial killers are very Saturnian, not Solar.

The word "serial" in "serial killer" should have been your very first clue that serial killers are Saturnian, not Solar or Mercurial or Martian.

Serial killers are highly disciplined.

A Saturnian quality. They make few mistakes,

another Saturnian quality, which is why it takes so long to catch them, if they're even caught at all.

Serial killers are very selective about their victims, often spending days, weeks or months (and in some instances years) stalking them.

Just another Saturnian quality.

Serial killers are extremely meticulous in their planning, one more
Saturnian quality, which is also why they are difficult to catch, if they're ever caught at all.

Serial killers repeatedly employ the same manner/method of death, which is their "signature" and is often how they are named by police or the media, and is

yet one more Saturnian quality.
None of that has anything to do with an Aquarian Sun.
.
your impressive contribution to this thread then
is
that in your opinion
SATURNIAN quality
"...has nothing to do with...."
an
AQUARIAN Sun
Siriusly
you obviously do not know
AQUARIUS is a DOMICILE of SATURN
:smile:
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi david starling,

I'm not seeing it either. I believe the Greeks misinterpreted the information they go from Mesopotamian astrologers.

Teucer of Babylon and those before him did not recognize detriment. A planet was either dignified in its own sign, or it wasn't. A planet could be exalted, and in fall in the sign opposite exaltation, but Sun in Aquarius is no different than Sun in Gemini or Scorpio.

I'm fairly certain the Greeks were confused and thought that if a planet is harmed being in the sign opposite its exaltation, then it must be harmed being in the sign opposite its dignity, but there's no evidence of that.

Can someone show me
how Carole King
was harmed?

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She's 75 and still writing songs, still performing in public and on TV and not in the poor-house.

I'm not seeing
how her life
is a Greek tragedy.

It's true Sun is applying square H8 Taurus Saturn who receives Sun, but I have few hundred Aquarian Sun charts and not seeing where Sun is diminished in any way.
Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.

In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.

Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive :smile:
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.

Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.

Carole King slow to recognize the red flags
in Evers’ increasingly possessive, paranoid behavior
reveals
1978, when married and back in L.A., Laurel Canyon
Evers slugged her in the jaw without any warning.

and unfortunately

This soon became a pattern:
While she was lying on the ground
Evers would cry and apologize.

Carole King writes: “......I’d always thought, if I found myself with a man like that
first time he struck me
I would never stay with an abuser.
Until I did.....”
Carole King learned to say “no” to her cash-dependant husband
who constantly asked her for money to buy drugs
she eventually left Evers.

Husband No. 4, carpenter from Idaho Rick Sorensen, aka "Teepee Rick," to whom Carole King was married from 1982 to 1987
bought a large ranch with her in central Idaho
which he managed until they split.
 

AJ Astrology

Well-known member
Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.

Hi JUPITERASC,

That has nothing to do with Aquarian Sun.

You're apparently oblivious to the fact that King's Sun is H5, not H7.

To even suggest that another person took LSD or that her relationships were difficult because of King's H5 Aquarian Sun is off-the-rails absurd and I hope you didn't break your arms or back reaching for the obtuse.

You might want to look at H8 Taurus Mars ruling H7 applying to Taurus Saturn.

You missed the obvious hints.

Aquarian Sun is not in detriment or debilitated, because it causes people to be disciplined in certain matters and to strive to achieve goals, however perverted those goals might be.

In case you didn't know, H5 is the artsy house and it also trines Ascendant. Her H5 Aquarian Sun is what gave her the discipline and drive to be a successful singer, song-writer and performer in spite of what happened with her relationships.

A Piscean Sun is far more debilitated and in detriment than an Aquarian Sun ever could be. Without the critical aspects from Mars or Saturn, that person isn't going anywhere.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Her H5 Aquarian Sun is what gave her the discipline
and drive to be a successful singer, song-writer and performer in spite of what happened with her relationships.
A Piscean Sun is far more debilitated and in detriment
than an Aquarian Sun ever could be.
Without the critical aspects from Mars or Saturn, that person isn't going anywhere.
you might want to read your own comment :smile:
i.e.
and I quote
Can someone show me
how Carole King
was harmed?


She's 75 and still writing songs, still performing in public and on TV and not in the poor-house.

I'm not seeing
how her life
is a Greek tragedy.
to which my response is clear
as follows

Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.

In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.

Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive :smile:
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.

Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.

Carole King slow to recognize the red flags
in Evers’ increasingly possessive, paranoid behavior
reveals
1978, when married and back in L.A., Laurel Canyon
Evers slugged her in the jaw without any warning.

and unfortunately

This soon became a pattern:
While she was lying on the ground
Evers would cry and apologize.

Carole King writes: “......I’d always thought, if I found myself with a man like that
first time he struck me
I would never stay with an abuser.
Until I did.....”
Carole King learned to say “no” to her cash-dependant husband
who constantly asked her for money to buy drugs
she eventually left Evers.

Husband No. 4, carpenter from Idaho Rick Sorensen, aka "Teepee Rick," to whom Carole King was married from 1982 to 1987
bought a large ranch with her in central Idaho
which he managed until they split.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi JUPITERASC,

That has nothing to do with Aquarian Sun.
You're apparently oblivious to the fact that King's Sun is H5, not H7.
To even suggest that another person took LSD
or that her relationships were difficult because of King's H5 Aquarian Sun
is off-the-rails absurd
and I hope you didn't break your arms or back reaching for the obtuse.
you too AJ
not all are acute unfortunately - join the club :smile:
You might want to look at H8 Taurus Mars ruling H7 applying to Taurus Saturn.
You missed the obvious hints.
Aquarian Sun is not in detriment or debilitated, because
it causes people to be disciplined in certain matters
and to strive to achieve goals, however perverted those goals might be.
you are entitled to your opinion obviously
however
clearly people disciplined in certain matters
who strive to achieve goals
however perverted those goals could be
are not limited to being SUN AQUARIUS
however
many with Aquarius Sun with "perverted goals" are documented serial killers
as documented earlier on this thread
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
In case you didn't know, H5 is the artsy house and it also trines Ascendant.
in case you did not know, House Five Significations include:
Love affairs, romance, lovemaking, sex.
If afflicted, promiscuity, sexual inhibition, immorality
overindulgence
and
scandals.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h5.html

The acute probably already noted CAROLE KING has AQUARIUS SUN FIFTH HOUSE :smile:

Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.

In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.

Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive :smile:
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.

Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.

Carole King slow to recognize the red flags
in Evers’ increasingly possessive, paranoid behavior
reveals
1978, when married and back in L.A., Laurel Canyon
Evers slugged her in the jaw without any warning.

and unfortunately

This soon became a pattern:
While she was lying on the ground
Evers would cry and apologize.

Carole King writes: “......I’d always thought, if I found myself with a man like that
first time he struck me
I would never stay with an abuser.
Until I did.....”
Carole King learned to say “no” to her cash-dependant husband
who constantly asked her for money to buy drugs
she eventually left Evers.

Husband No. 4, carpenter from Idaho Rick Sorensen, aka "Teepee Rick," to whom Carole King was married from 1982 to 1987
bought a large ranch with her in central Idaho
which he managed until they split.
 

AJ Astrology

Well-known member
you too AJ
not all are acute unfortunately - join the club :smile:

you are entitled to your opinion obviously
however
clearly people disciplined in certain matters
who strive to achieve goals
however perverted those goals could be
are not limited to being SUN AQUARIUS
however
many with Aquarius Sun with "perverted goals" are documented serial killers
as documented earlier on this thread

Hi JUPITERASC,

According to Scientific American who derived their data from the FBI, only about 1% of all murders in the US are the work of serial killers.

Giving you the great benefit of the doubt and assuming that each murder was the work of a serial killer, that would mean there are ~150 active serial killers at any given time, which would be 150 / 260,020,000 = 5.768787016383355e-5%

or 0.0000577% of the population (with 260 Million as the US population reported by the US Census Bureau according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is the adult population of the US who are neither incarcerated nor hospitalized).

As LiveWire noted, February is typically the month with the least number of births and August the month with the most births, but all things being equal, statistically the number of serial killers with an Aquarian Sun would be

4.807322513652796e-6% or 0.0000048%

That means 12.5 serial killers with an Aquarian Sun, but it also means 12.5 serial killers with a Leo Sun.

To suggest that is "many" is off-the-rails whacko.

There would be 12.5 serial killers with Leo Suns, which is hardly "many."

The fact that there are serial killers with Leo Suns refutes your silly claims.

Sun is exalted in Aries and the fact that there are Aries serial killers refutes your baseless claim, too, unless you're going to claim Sun is in detriment in Leo and Aries.

No doubt you have an unhealthy bizarre inordinate fascination with serial killers, but it has no place here and you lost this this debate.

So give it up already.

in case you did not know, House Five Significations include:
Love affairs, romance, lovemaking, sex.
If afflicted, promiscuity, sexual inhibition, immorality
overindulgence
and
scandals.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h5.html

The acute probably already noted CAROLE KING has AQUARIUS SUN FIFTH HOUSE :smile:


That's modern astrology nonsense.

Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.

That has nothing to do with her Aquarian Sun.

In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.

King leaves out his supposed affairs.

King's Aquarian Sun did not cause any person to use LSD.

Your claim that it did is off-the-rails whacko.

Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey

after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive :smile:
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.

Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.

Again, just in case you're unable to understand, nothing in anyone's chart can cause another to do something.

You can't even delineate her chart right.

King has Libra-rising. So, what sign is H7? Uh, that would be Aries. Who rules Aries? Uh, that would be Mars. Where is Mar? Uh, in the Taurus H8 joining Saturn.

That is the problem, not to mention the 12th Part of Venus is sitting in H8 right on top of Mars/Saturn. Venus significates marriages and although she isn't damaged, she's retrograde and gets no help from Moon, Sun or Jupiter.

Even if we were to accept your modern astrology nonsense, H5 ruler Saturn is not in sect in Taurus H8 and damaged by Mars.

In King's chart, Sun is not the significator of marriages and relationships.

Geez, even a novice could figure that out.

For those seeking more clarity on the concept of "essential dignities" in astrology

Are you ever going to prove your claims or what? Because posting useless links to videos doesn't prove anything.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi JUPITERASC,

According to Scientific American who derived their data from the FBI, only about 1% of all murders in the US are the work of serial killers.
Giving you the great benefit of the doubt and assuming that each murder was the work of a serial killer, that would mean there are ~150 active serial killers at any given time, which would be 150 / 260,020,000 = 5.768787016383355e-5%
or 0.0000577% of the population (with 260 Million as the US population reported by the US Census Bureau according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is the adult population of the US who are neither incarcerated nor hospitalized).
As LiveWire noted, February is typically the month with the least number of births and August the month with the most births, but all things being equal, statistically the number of serial killers with an Aquarian Sun would be
4.807322513652796e-6% or 0.0000048%
That means 12.5 serial killers with an Aquarian Sun, but it also means 12.5 serial killers with a Leo Sun.
To suggest that is "many" is off-the-rails whacko.
There would be 12.5 serial killers with Leo Suns, which is hardly "many."
The fact that there are serial killers with Leo Suns refutes your silly claims.
Sun is exalted in Aries and the fact that there are Aries serial killers refutes your baseless claim, too, unless you're going to claim Sun is in detriment in Leo and Aries.
No doubt you have an unhealthy bizarre inordinate fascination with serial killers, but it has no place here and you lost this this debate.
So give it up already.
That's modern astrology nonsense.
That has nothing to do with her Aquarian Sun.
King's Aquarian Sun did not cause any person to use LSD.
Your claim that it did is off-the-rails whacko.
Again, just in case you're unable to understand, nothing in anyone's chart can cause another to do something.
You can't even delineate her chart right.
King has Libra-rising. So, what sign is H7? Uh, that would be Aries. Who rules Aries? Uh, that would be Mars. Where is Mar? Uh, in the Taurus H8 joining Saturn.
That is the problem, not to mention the 12th Part of Venus is sitting in H8 right on top of Mars/Saturn. Venus significates marriages and although she isn't damaged, she's retrograde and gets no help from Moon, Sun or Jupiter.
Even if we were to accept your modern astrology nonsense, H5 ruler Saturn is not in sect in Taurus H8 and damaged by Mars.
In King's chart, Sun is not the significator of marriages and relationships.
Geez, even a novice could figure that out.
Are you ever going to prove your claims or what? Because posting useless links to videos doesn't prove anything.
I'm no expert, I'm simply a learning member
on our worldwide astrological learning forum
many thanks
to use your own great descriptive phrase
for that interminable laundry list :smile:
by the way
this thread is not on our traditional board
therefore modernist astrological ideas are not excluded
You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but
not once have you attempted
or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.
you keep saying you cannot find any Aquarius Sun serial killers
on your paltry Kepler database
then oddly

you object when I post plentiful evidence of Aquarius Sun serial killers :smile:
I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal......

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
clearly
I simply easily found plentiful criminal Aquarian suns

examples of AQUARIUS "infaous people"
who according to you are nowhere to be found


Gary Ray Bowles is an American AQUARIUS serial killer born 25 January 1962 Clifton Forge, Virginia.
Bisexual, never married had no children, was known to abuse alcohol and drugs
and beat and strangled six men to death to steal their credit cards in 1994.
He was known to kill at the home of the victim.
At the time of his crimes he was living alone homeless in Florida, Georgia and Maryland
where he was known to work as a prostitute.
Bowles became a suspect after police found his fingerprints and probation records at a crime scene :smile:
I would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.

Bowles murdered five other men
in Nassau County, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; Savannah, Georgia; Atlanta, Georgia; and Wheaton, Maryland.
Bowles was placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitive List.
Gary Ray Bowles was arrested 22 November 1994 Age 32
convicted 6 September 1996 Age 34
sentenced to death by electrocution at Union Correctional Institution, Florida State Prison
Raiford Prison in Raiford, Florida, US.
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