piercethevale
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It's late here and I've been at the computer for nearly a couple of days ...so I'm just going to copy and paste what I just email Phoenix Venus for the rest of you members to have a gander and a chance to mull this same enigma over.. it's a dandy one, alright.
...copied and pasted as follows...>
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MAJOR MIND BLOWER GOING ON HERE.
I had been thinking a lot about the Hyleg and the formulae involved and it seemed to me that only the pre natal New Moon should be used in the process as the New Moon is the start of the new cycle and you are part of the cycle that is going on at the moment , the moment you are born.
I mean to say that what has been the accepted formulas and technique kept sounding more and more to me like typical "Trad" b.s.
So check out what I found... The post natal Full Moon of Yeshua, used in the same Hyleg formula i.e. Asc. + Natal Moon - post natal Full Moon = 17 Virgo 15' 34". My Hyleg, using the pre natal New Moon in the formula, Asc. + Natal Moon - pre natal New Moon = 17* Virgo 38" 03".
...and remember that the Part of Soul/Spirit for the USA natal is the 18th degree of Virgo , being as it is at 17* Virgo 18' 24
"
The post natal New Moon for Yeshu'a in Hyleg formula, Asc. + Natal Moon - post natal New Moon = 03* Pisces 08' 18". What I got using the "Trad" formula after I caught that error just some weeks ago finding out that it wasn't in the 7th of Cap,{Note: I had erred in my original computations for my Part of Hyleg and for a couple of years believed it to be in the 7th deg. of Capricorn...a mistake that I only caught just a few weeks ago} i.e. Asc.+ Natal Moon - pre natal {Full} Moon = 02* Pisces 36' 44". That's pretty doggone close...and I have been compensating for the changes astrodienst has made to the data.
What I get using the post natal New Moon in my Hyleg formula, i.e. Asc. + Natal Moon - post natal New Moon = 19* Leo 01' 41"... "Zuni Indians Perform A Ritual To The Sun"
{Note: for those of you unaware, Sun rites have been a major part of my life these last 13 1/2 years since I began doing them on a regular basis everyday, usually at dawn. I likely wouldn't be alive presently if not for my diligence in performing them in complete form every day. Trevor Ravenscroft wrote in his book "The Cup Of Destiny", that it is his belief that Parsival failed in his quest to obtain the Holy Grail because He became lax and began missing days entirely. The rites are best if performed at dawn, but they can be performed any hour of the day or even at night.}
I found that by using the time 30 seconds before the one I have been using for Yeshu'a's birth, that is using 5:22:30 P.M. instead of 5:23 P.M. You get the original position for the Sun and Moon, in other words, astrodienst sped it up 30 seconds. To get the exact same chart axis, [or as close as possible the original being 00* Libra 43' 17"] you have to cast a chart 23 seconds earlier, and you'll get 00* Libra 43' 20", as one cast for 24 seconds earlier produces 00* Libra 43' 07''.
So, now it won't be so hard to make composites, just use a chart for Yeshu'a cast 30 seconds earlier for accurate composite Sun and Moon and use a chart cast 23 seconds earlier for accurate composite chart axis and houses, but remember it'll be 2 to 3 seconds of a deg. too much. Pluto just has to be dealt with as an imposture and the difference between Pluto from my original chart, i.e. 00* Libra 58' 52"and what ever astrodienst is currently saying it is has to be divided by two and that figure must be subtracted from what ever figure comes out for the composite Pluto, and as it is currently a difference of 00* 01' 59" and isn't an even sum the plus or minus one second of a deg. is left to ones whim & fancy.
...and I find it of particular curious interest that there is a newly released movie about the Ouija Board, the very symbol for the 18th deg of Virgo !!
Now the trip is... to figure out just what this Hyleg thing is really all about, what it is really saying to you from your natal chart.
SO, WHAT i'M PROPOSING HERE IS THIS.
No matter where your natal Moon is at birth, you have to figure yourself being between two New Moons... Cycles begin with New Moons.
I have to find my book by Dane Rudhyar and Leyla Rael, "Astrological Aspects. A Process Oriented Approach" to give a proper dissertation, but I can't seem to locate it this evening, but I'll have something more posted here in the next 24 to 48 hours explaining why I believe the process of determining a Hyleg Part should be done in only one particular manner and not a choice between two as presently believed and held steadfast to by most astrologers.
Just as there is only one way, only by one formula, to determine the Part of Fortune. {Diurnal, kids.}
An, I've something else that is new to reveal, and discuss, too!
The Mirror Day.
I was born at the beginning of one. As the day only truly starts for your locale when the Sun is exactly conjunct the nadir, when the Moon exactly conjuncts the nadir, it is the beginning of "the Mirror Day".
{hint: For Jesus/Yeshua to produce the 18th* of Virgo as to the above issue,, one has to go forward to the Full Moon that was occurring the day after He was born. As I was born after the Full Moon, one has to go back to the New Moon before my birth to produce the 18th* degree of Virgo. There has been a great deal of such 'mirroring" between charts of people intimately involved with this current matter of bringing the truth to light, bringing the true natal chart of the Prince of Peace to the attention of the world. Phoenix Venus is one whom has seen it in as to her own natal chart. Miss X {from my book} had it quite strongly, my fellow yogi and good friend, Suryakant, has it too. A number of people do also, that all had some part in the process of producing the 2000 year old natal chart and bringing it to light.}
Stay tuned...
Images: Post Natal Full Moon chart for Jesus/Yeshu'a's birth and Yeshu'a's post natal New Moon chart.
...and post natal New Moon:
...copied and pasted as follows...>
____________________________________________
MAJOR MIND BLOWER GOING ON HERE.
I had been thinking a lot about the Hyleg and the formulae involved and it seemed to me that only the pre natal New Moon should be used in the process as the New Moon is the start of the new cycle and you are part of the cycle that is going on at the moment , the moment you are born.
I mean to say that what has been the accepted formulas and technique kept sounding more and more to me like typical "Trad" b.s.
So check out what I found... The post natal Full Moon of Yeshua, used in the same Hyleg formula i.e. Asc. + Natal Moon - post natal Full Moon = 17 Virgo 15' 34". My Hyleg, using the pre natal New Moon in the formula, Asc. + Natal Moon - pre natal New Moon = 17* Virgo 38" 03".
...and remember that the Part of Soul/Spirit for the USA natal is the 18th degree of Virgo , being as it is at 17* Virgo 18' 24
"
The post natal New Moon for Yeshu'a in Hyleg formula, Asc. + Natal Moon - post natal New Moon = 03* Pisces 08' 18". What I got using the "Trad" formula after I caught that error just some weeks ago finding out that it wasn't in the 7th of Cap,{Note: I had erred in my original computations for my Part of Hyleg and for a couple of years believed it to be in the 7th deg. of Capricorn...a mistake that I only caught just a few weeks ago} i.e. Asc.+ Natal Moon - pre natal {Full} Moon = 02* Pisces 36' 44". That's pretty doggone close...and I have been compensating for the changes astrodienst has made to the data.
What I get using the post natal New Moon in my Hyleg formula, i.e. Asc. + Natal Moon - post natal New Moon = 19* Leo 01' 41"... "Zuni Indians Perform A Ritual To The Sun"
{Note: for those of you unaware, Sun rites have been a major part of my life these last 13 1/2 years since I began doing them on a regular basis everyday, usually at dawn. I likely wouldn't be alive presently if not for my diligence in performing them in complete form every day. Trevor Ravenscroft wrote in his book "The Cup Of Destiny", that it is his belief that Parsival failed in his quest to obtain the Holy Grail because He became lax and began missing days entirely. The rites are best if performed at dawn, but they can be performed any hour of the day or even at night.}
I found that by using the time 30 seconds before the one I have been using for Yeshu'a's birth, that is using 5:22:30 P.M. instead of 5:23 P.M. You get the original position for the Sun and Moon, in other words, astrodienst sped it up 30 seconds. To get the exact same chart axis, [or as close as possible the original being 00* Libra 43' 17"] you have to cast a chart 23 seconds earlier, and you'll get 00* Libra 43' 20", as one cast for 24 seconds earlier produces 00* Libra 43' 07''.
So, now it won't be so hard to make composites, just use a chart for Yeshu'a cast 30 seconds earlier for accurate composite Sun and Moon and use a chart cast 23 seconds earlier for accurate composite chart axis and houses, but remember it'll be 2 to 3 seconds of a deg. too much. Pluto just has to be dealt with as an imposture and the difference between Pluto from my original chart, i.e. 00* Libra 58' 52"and what ever astrodienst is currently saying it is has to be divided by two and that figure must be subtracted from what ever figure comes out for the composite Pluto, and as it is currently a difference of 00* 01' 59" and isn't an even sum the plus or minus one second of a deg. is left to ones whim & fancy.
...and I find it of particular curious interest that there is a newly released movie about the Ouija Board, the very symbol for the 18th deg of Virgo !!
Now the trip is... to figure out just what this Hyleg thing is really all about, what it is really saying to you from your natal chart.
SO, WHAT i'M PROPOSING HERE IS THIS.
No matter where your natal Moon is at birth, you have to figure yourself being between two New Moons... Cycles begin with New Moons.
I have to find my book by Dane Rudhyar and Leyla Rael, "Astrological Aspects. A Process Oriented Approach" to give a proper dissertation, but I can't seem to locate it this evening, but I'll have something more posted here in the next 24 to 48 hours explaining why I believe the process of determining a Hyleg Part should be done in only one particular manner and not a choice between two as presently believed and held steadfast to by most astrologers.
Just as there is only one way, only by one formula, to determine the Part of Fortune. {Diurnal, kids.}
An, I've something else that is new to reveal, and discuss, too!
The Mirror Day.
I was born at the beginning of one. As the day only truly starts for your locale when the Sun is exactly conjunct the nadir, when the Moon exactly conjuncts the nadir, it is the beginning of "the Mirror Day".
{hint: For Jesus/Yeshua to produce the 18th* of Virgo as to the above issue,, one has to go forward to the Full Moon that was occurring the day after He was born. As I was born after the Full Moon, one has to go back to the New Moon before my birth to produce the 18th* degree of Virgo. There has been a great deal of such 'mirroring" between charts of people intimately involved with this current matter of bringing the truth to light, bringing the true natal chart of the Prince of Peace to the attention of the world. Phoenix Venus is one whom has seen it in as to her own natal chart. Miss X {from my book} had it quite strongly, my fellow yogi and good friend, Suryakant, has it too. A number of people do also, that all had some part in the process of producing the 2000 year old natal chart and bringing it to light.}
Stay tuned...
Images: Post Natal Full Moon chart for Jesus/Yeshu'a's birth and Yeshu'a's post natal New Moon chart.
...and post natal New Moon:
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