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Ukpoohbear

Ukpoohbear

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Hkk said:
Good question. Random though 🤔

Yes I like her. Why?

Do u?
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It’s been all over the news right now opinions about her lifestyle. I used to think they were good role models but there does seem to be a kind of hypocritical extravagance that I can’t justify. For eg Prince Harry and herself advocate strongly for the environment but take a private plane when travelling with their baby for safety reasons but that’s quite telling because everybody takes that risk.
 
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In JA's older posts, you can actually hear the humanity in it. The more they posted the more they sounded automated. All that meditation and internet made their ego porous enough to become an extension of the internet, and AW in particular.
 
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Ukpoohbear said:
It’s been all over the news right now opinions about her lifestyle. I used to think they were good role models but there does seem to be a kind of hypocritical extravagance that I can’t justify. For eg Prince Harry and herself advocate strongly for the environment but take a private plane when travelling with their baby for safety reasons but that’s quite telling because everybody takes that risk.
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The trouble with being in the public is you can’t do right for doing wrong. I think Megan marker is protective of her family and wants he best. I know if I was in her position I would be lapping it up. Yet she is in this position that automatically gives her responsibility and she can’t hide as it’s part of princess Diana family. Megan Markle gets a rough rude even more so than Kate. If Megan does anything it’s 10 times more highlighted than Kate. You hear all the **** about how she doesn’t get on with Kate etc but it’s the same as what the media did with princess Diana and Fergie. Princess Diana and Megan Markle both have NN Leo. This is why they are always highlighted in public.

Everyone will always have an opinion about them. It’s the way it is. People have opinions about public faces all the time but not as much as these two or any NN Leo’s. Beyoncé, Gandhi, princess Diana, Megan Markle to name just a few
 
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Passiflora -

The sabians for the end of Sagittarius all seem to have Capricornian messages. The sabian symbol for my ascendant for example is, "A sculptor at his work" which may reinforce the Venus in Cap message. I also seem to notice Piscean messages at the end degrees of Aquarius. I also see Sagittarian messages at the end of Scorpio. David accepts sign blending at the last and first degrees, which I don't personally agree with. But he might be picking up on these messages intuitively and making his judgments accordingly.

Do you use Dane Rudhyar's sabians because you find them the best or do you use them because they are the ones you're most exposed to?
 
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david starling

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Ukpoohbear said:
It’s been all over the news right now opinions about her lifestyle. I used to think they were good role models but there does seem to be a kind of hypocritical extravagance that I can’t justify. For eg Prince Harry and herself advocate strongly for the environment but take a private plane when travelling with their baby for safety reasons but that’s quite telling because everybody takes that risk.
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Like politicians who say private citizens shouldn't be allowed to have weapons for self-defense, but are themselves protected by armed, professional bodyguards.
 
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There are probably good ways of articulating the astrological mechanics of sign blending that I’m not familiar with. For example: Kshantaram had told me once to pay attention to what a planet was retrograding towards. Frisiangal mentioned in Opal’s thread recently one way in which planets fast and slow alike are influenced by their neighbors. These are not about sign blending per se but about mutual / environmental influence and “the company you keep.” It would make sense for early sagittarian degrees to be influenced more by neighboring Scorpio than late degrees are, and vice versa. What language could be used to describe this phenomenon is another question. I don’t think decans get at this but I haven’t investigated sufficiently to be certain. What do you think?

Elsie Wheeler’s Sabian symbols used to be accessible when I was playing with them. I’m not super comfortable using them or other degree systems - they’re almost too concrete - yet do it anyway. The systems have some natural overlaps but I haven’t studied any in depth.
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I think I mentioned this recently in a discussion on here but there was a former poster who wanted to do an analysis on the various degree systems, ancient and modern. She wanted to see if there were commonalities with some degrees across systems, and where there was a discrepancy, aimed to do research to see what the actual degree was communicating. I wonder if she is still working on that project.

I saw that discussion between Frisiangal and Opal. I'd like to know more about that technique but I don't know where I could find information on it. I realize it being touted by the older astrologers (the ones who did/do it professionally) so I'm banking that it was popular between the 1970s - 1990s.

There is something to be said about the fixed stars in this discussion, since the difference between the sidereal and tropical zodiac have the stars appearing roughly one sign over. So a lot of "evil" sounding scorpion stars appear at the beginning of Sagittarius - chief among them being the heart of the scorpion at 8 Sagittarius. Heart of the Lion is now in Virgo etc.

Decans.... no I think the decans are more self-contained within the signs than the other previously mentioned techniques with more porous barriers.

There's an interesting ancient text that treats with the decans totally differently than the more modern version of signs within signs. It's a book called Apotelesmatics by Hephaistos of Thebes. http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/astrologers/hephaistio-of-thebes/

This is an example of the decans in Leo.

Its decans are three: the first is Charchnoumis, the second Epe, the third Phoupe. He who is brought forth, then, upon the first decan will be gaurded by crowds, and will be listened to, and he will be acute and not be despised, one who does well by those subject to him, and he will investigate and acquire much, though he will be open to censure on account of a woman. The signs of this decan: He will be tall in stature, the face youthful, red, the eyes large, keen-scented, the legs thin; he will have trouble with his feet and flatulence.

And he who is brought forth upon the second decan will be a master, a king; he will be declared a plenipotentiary, and he will subject and found cities, and many will pay tribute to him, and the discovery of gold, and his mind will be inspired by him, and his honor equal to the Gods. The signs: he will be quite large, broad-chested, he will be withered from his thighs to his feet, his skin lion-coloured, a sweet conversationalist; he will have trouble with his tendons.

And he who is brought forth upon the third decan will be raised with wealth, and he will be prudent, learned, dear to many; he will have bodily injuries and birthmarks and kingly struggles and powerful plots against him; later he will overcome them, and he will have authority over property and will be good at business on behalf of the gods, and he will be well-favoured by women, but he will be injured in his extremities. The signs of this decan: He will be of middling stature, the face red, the eyes protruding; he will be unbridled around women.
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I could see how a focus on decans was more amenable in more ancient forms of astrology, due to the detailed nature of the material that they were working with, and I encounter grimoires that make use of the images of decans in magical operations.
 
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Ukpoohbear

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The trouble with being in the public is you can’t do right for doing wrong. I think Megan marker is protective of her family and wants he best. I know if I was in her position I would be lapping it up. Yet she is in this position that automatically gives her responsibility and she can’t hide as it’s part of princess Diana family. Megan Markle gets a rough rude even more so than Kate. If Megan does anything it’s 10 times more highlighted than Kate. You hear all the **** about how she doesn’t get on with Kate etc but it’s the same as what the media did with princess Diana and Fergie. Princess Diana and Megan Markle both have NN Leo. This is why they are always highlighted in public.

Everyone will always have an opinion about them. It’s the way it is. People have opinions about public faces all the time but not as much as these two or any NN Leo’s. Beyoncé, Gandhi, princess Diana, Megan Markle to name just a few
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Well the problem is that the Royal Family is paid for by taxes, so the
issue of how they spend this becomes public concern. I think if you are in a position of responsibility and luxury then you compensate by abiding by the rules, just like we compensate by taking the risk of the common people. If they don’t play by these rules, then they compensate by being criticised.

Kate Middleton fits in well because she is impeccably well-behave. Now I’m certainly not one to always fit in myself, so I relate to Megan Markle’s behaviour more, even if not by the same actions but I don’t have the same privileges and responsibility Megan Markle does, so I tend to agree with what the newspapers are saying although, yes,I take into account I am being influenced by the media to care, like you suggested and also to take care I am not projecting my agitation about being a poor pleb on to Megan Markle. Even with all this in mind,I still think everyone has expectations to follow in society and extravagance is wrong.

But then I think well, would I like to see the prime minister escorted about in a Skoda instead of a Bentley or something? Because no, I do think leaders should be wealthier than average in order to set a proud example for our country. But how wealthy? Are we paying those financed by taxes to look wealthy?

Away from wealth, what about the environment? If the environment really is a big a risk as the leaders of the world are saying it is, then is there any time for political and social nuances and should we all have a new rule that is so commonplace it becomes unwritten that when it comes to the environment, everyone is held accountable.

If our leaders are using their privilege to hold us accountable, are we not just echoing back the lessons we have been taught, like a boomerang of energy shifting? Can we even be led accountable for holding them accountable if they held us accountable first?

Does the environmental damage we are doing with all our extravagance create an ever decreasing time frame on which we have to hold ourselves accountable?

But anyway, I think we probably should hold her accountable.
 
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david starling

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passiflora said:
There are probably good ways of articulating the astrological mechanics of sign blending that I’m not familiar with. For example: Kshantaram had told me once to pay attention to what a planet was retrograding towards. Frisiangal mentioned in Opal’s thread recently one way in which planets fast and slow alike are influenced by their neighbors. These are not about sign blending per se but about mutual / environmental influence and “the company you keep.” It would make sense for early sagittarian degrees to be influenced more by neighboring Scorpio than late degrees are, and vice versa. What language could be used to describe this phenomenon is another question. I don’t think decans get at this but I haven’t investigated sufficiently to be certain. What do you think?

Elsie Wheeler’s Sabian symbols used to be accessible when I was playing with them. I’m not super comfortable using them or other degree systems - they’re almost too concrete - yet do it anyway. The systems have some natural overlaps but I haven’t studied any in depth.
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I'm adamant about Sign-blending at the cusps regarding a mix of Sign-qualities. However, I believe the rulership itself is confined to the entirety of a Sign. For example, with my 28 degree Pisces Sun, I have Aries qualities mixed in with Pisces, but Neptune is still the sole Domicle-ruler, from one Sign-boundary to the other.
 
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What do you think of the sabian symbol for your sun sign, David?

PHASE 359 PISCES 29°): LIGHT BREAKING INTO MANY COLORS THROUGH A PRISM.

KEYNOTE: The analytical power of the mind necessary for the formulation of life processes in their many aspects.

Cycles of existence begin in unity and end in what I have called "multi-unity." At the stage of consummation the many individual differences are totaled; they constitute a sum. Within that sum — a unified total — the inevitability of the future process of differentiation is implied, because every cycle leaves a mass of waste products slowly returning to the unconscious state of chemical matter, of "humus." What the symbol tells us is that unity will always break again into multiplicity. The "prism" is always there. There is no absolute unity; if anything could be called "absolute" it is the relationship between the One and the Many.

This fourth stage symbol of the concluding five-fold sequence of phases points to the fundamental type of operation in all modes of existence. The most beautiful and seemingly everlasting experience of unity will in time be superseded by the need to attend to a multiplicity of details. Existence implies DIFFERENTIATION.
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Ukpoohbear

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Like politicians who say private citizens shouldn't be allowed to have weapons for self-defense, but are themselves protected by armed, professional bodyguards.
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This is a very interesting example I hadn’t considered before probably because I’ve been conditioned to having a level of policing that does have automated weapons, even though your average Street Bobby doesn’t (and neither do we).
 
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Ukpoohbear said:
This is a very interesting example I hadn’t considered before probably because I’ve been conditioned to having a level of policing that does have automated weapons, even though your average Street Bobby doesn’t (and neither do we).
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Politician Al Gore (who literally won the Presidency that went to Bush Jr., after a recount that was completely disregarded), is all about the size of one's "Carbon footprint". Turned out, his was huge! He was publicly embarrassed into shrinking it somewhat, but it's still much larger than the average citizen's.
 
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david starling said:
How many are there? I should probably look at all of them.
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Not sure about the exact amount, but the two most well-known seem to be Dane Rudhyar's set of sabian symbols in "astrological mandala" here and the collaboration between Elsie Wheeler and Marc Edmund Jones. You have degree symbol systems out there that aren't expressly sabian in nature. For example, Nikola Stojanovic "secrets of the degrees" https://www.astrolada.com/courses/the-secrets-of-zodiac-degrees.html

Check this article out.
https://sabiansymbols.com/the-sabian-symbols-story/
 
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I see Rudhyar has a big white dove bearing a message for 20 degrees Aqua. Now I'm seeing a fertile garden under a full Moon for 28 degrees Pisces. Not sure where the first one I saw is from, since it was a couple of years back.
 
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