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Bona Fortuna? 11th House?

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I wonder if this placement still count on 11th House with Saturn 26°Aquarius with 5° Capricorn Mercury 10th House sextile 4° to this placement. Oh and there is a 1° trine to 1° Taurus in 2nd House part of fortune from saturn. How should I working on it?

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Hello Cultured Astrologers!
I wonder if this placement still count on 11th House
with Saturn 26°Aquarius
with 5° Capricorn Mercury 10th House sextile 4° to this placement.
Oh and there is a 1° trine to 1° Taurus in 2nd House part of fortune from saturn.
How should I working on it?
I recommend you post your chart using kaktuzz free traditional software
at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

since we have a sidereal astrologer who often posts on this board
good idea to post two versions of your natal chart using Sidereal option
as well as using the default tropical option
as this would be a useful way to learn
and
kaktuzz traditional free online software calculation includes Sidereal option
and

here's a link to kaktuzz Bona Fortuna aka Part of Fortune calculator
https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/part-of-fortune-lot-of-fortune-online-calculator
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Re: Bona Fortuna? 11th House?

Hey there, I'm using Fagan/Bradley.

As you all know I'm still in school, maybe some of our great veterans here come up with some wisdom on your rookies about "Job World"

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Re: Bona Fortuna? 11th House?

Thanks for posting your sidereal chart using whole signs
since you are a beginner
I highlight that the default is Tropical
and so the majority of our members are Tropical astrologers
however
petosiris is a sidereal astrologer who may comment
if he sees your post
and it shall be interesting for you to contrast the methodologies
as you hav eposted your tropical chart as well

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Thanks for posting your sidereal chart using whole signs
since you are a beginner
I highlight that the default is Tropical
and so the majority of our members are Tropical astrologers
however
petosiris is a sidereal astrologer who may comment
if he sees your post
and it shall be interesting for you to contrast the methodologies
[COLOR=Navy][B]as you hav eposted your tropical chart as well
Yes! Please teach us a lesson
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Re: Bona Fortuna? 11th House?

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Yes! Please teach us a lesson
I'm no expert

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Hello Cultured Astrologers!

I wonder if this placement still count on 11th House with Saturn 26°Aquarius with 5° Capricorn Mercury 10th House sextile 4° to this placement. Oh and there is a 1° trine to 1° Taurus in 2nd House part of fortune from saturn.

How should I working on it?
since your question relates to your Tropical natal chart
I shall respond with a tropical perspective
by focusing on your tropical chart
to begin with

your tropical chart has TAURUS RISING
and PoF in First House

Saturn is in 11th house whether using Placidus or Whole Sign
would be useful if you would post your tropical chart using Whole Sign
as that is the format that is unambiguous regarding house location of planets et al


HOWEVER
other members are likely to comment using Placidus
because they use Placidus
different astrologers use different house systems


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Jup, of course the asc degree is different. I purposely using 2 house system as we are rookies could understand the difference of this 2 house system. As what should we use, it will be good for us to know from the vets in this AW community. I really pissed off because we are almost no astrologers in this country and lack of literature too. Almost all cultured or basic knowledge of the universe in our country are based on water, fire, air, and land. Spiritual leader and older people who had magic or similar to it said when they see fire is not good indications for people to go in market because our mind is not ready for transactions, the very good term is when they see land when it come to trade market.

Okay, the traditional astrology is always using whole chart then? Should we remove the aspects as Jyotish didn't use it too? How should we working on that saturn "bona fortuna"?

Omg Jup, that's Algol degree right there on PoF. I'm not consider myself as Gacy so it scare me actually with that 25°54 Taurus, 0,6° away to Algol

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Jup, of course the asc degree is different. I purposely using 2 house system as we are rookies could understand the difference of this 2 house system. As what should we use, it will be good for us to know from the vets in this AW community. I really pissed off because we are almost no astrologers in this country and lack of literature too. Almost all cultured or basic knowledge of the universe in our country are based on water, fire, air, and land. Spiritual leader and older people who had magic or similar to it said when they see fire is not good indications for people to go in market because our mind is not ready for transactions, the very good term is when they see land when it come to trade market.


Okay, the traditional astrology is always using whole chart then?

Should we remove the aspects as Jyotish didn't use it too?

How should we working on that saturn "bona fortuna"?
Jyotish uses Whole Signs Houses, so does Vedic
but
not all traditional astrologers use Whole Sign Houses
but
many are beginning to switch to Whole Signs from Placidus

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Omg Jup, that's Algol degree right there on PoF. I'm not consider myself as Gacy so it scare me actually with that 25°54 Taurus, 0,6° away to Algol degree.
re: Algol Calm down
chart delineation takes time
that's why it is expensive paying a professional astrologer

HOWEVER

fortunately

on our forum comments are free
so members can post when it is convenient for that member
and
in the meantime
I am certain others shall begin commenting soon

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Re: How to find your career in a chart
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I don't see any vocational stickies.

You have a good idea. As many times as I've looked in this forum I didn't notice that.

In traditional astrology
we use Mercury, Venus and Mars to determine someone's career or profession.
The Midheaven in traditional astrology represents the Native's Dignity, Honor and Preferments.

In modern English
the MC is the Native's ego, status, ability to lead or command
the potential for advancement and promotion
and recognition or awards.
So the MC only plays a role in one's career
by setting the parameters.

As an example
someone's chart might have a heavy Mars influence
and so we might conclude (along with other factors)
that the person is a leader, and then we look to the MC
to tell us if this person will be the Chief Executive Officer of a major corporation
or merely a low level floor manager at a restaurant or retail store,
or perhaps a shop foreperson in a manufacturing facility.


It allows us to distinguish between
a teacher, a headmaster and a university professor
between an amateur athlete, an Olympic athlete, a mediocre professional athlete
and a professional athlete who receives top pay and many awards
between a street player, a musician in a local band
a studio musician, a mediocre professional musician
and a musician who is nationally or world renown
and has gold and platinum records/CDs.

After we make a determination for the Significator of Profession
which could be Mercury, Venus or Mars alone
or two of the three together
or even all three could be the Significators of Profession
we look so if we blend that with other Planets
who are in aspect with the Significator
and then look to the MC.

One of the things you'll learn
is that not everyone was intended to have a career or profession
and you can see that in the chart.

What are those people to do?
Well, the chart will tell you that too, meaning whether they're "homeless"
or drift from menial job to menial job
or they're criminals or "professional students"
or they don't have to work
because they already have wealth
or maybe they're house-wives/house-husbands
or something like that.

We direct the MC using Right Ascension by Primary or Converse Motion (clock-wise/counter-clockwise) to see what happens. The aspects made to other Planets and Chart Points tells the story. You might get fired, laid off, promoted, get a new job, get huge raise, receive an award for something you did (and it may or may not be job-related -- it could be a civic award or something as part of social group you belong to).
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Finding the Professional Indicators
according to
PERSIAN AND HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY
Let’s briefly review the technique.
The technique involves finding planets with more pertinence or “testimony” regarding “actions”
which involves Mars, Venus, Mercury, the 10th place, and the Lights.
by the way
as you are a beginner, I mention that Sun and Moon are aka the Lights
We also look at general indications of planetary strength.
The factors and basics are from Hellenistic and Persian astrology
sourced from http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/a...-trent-reznor/
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Would you believe that you can do all of your traditional astrology charting and calculations
with a free software program?
When I discovered Morinus a few years ago it was quite a revelation.
This program does it all, and there’s also a Traditional version
that’s tailored to the traditional astrologer
https://sites.google.com/site/tradmorinus/morinus


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Reliability of timeof birth requires checking
i.e.

whether time of birth is sourced from official records
such as birth certificate
medical records
or is from hearsay or memory
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Reliability of timeof birth requires checking
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whether time of birth is sourced from official records
such as birth certificate
medical records
or is from hearsay or memory
12.51 pm is the correct birth so there you go
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12.51 pm is the correct birth so there you go
That's different from the time on charts already posted

so
good idea for you to post a tropical chart using whole signs
as well as
a sidereal chart using whole signs
using that new time of birth you just gave
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Part of Fortune ruler is an ELEVATED VENUS in 11th SIGN and HOUSE

notice Venus is assembled with SATURN


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Jupiter,

Valens said it's indication of unsociable dude lul
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Jupiter,

Valens said it's indication of unsociable dude lul
Sun - DOROTHEUS

MARS and MOON are in 10th aka a stake

BUT

Disjunct aka in aversion to Venus













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OLYMPIADOROS

The ninth from the Horoskopos
signifies the reckoning concerning gods, dreams and living aborad;
it pertains to astronomy and is the pre-Midheaven, if one goes from setting to rising.
It is called the place of the Sun.
For in this zoidion the Sun alone rejoices.
And it is called Good Decline.
When Zeus or Hermes complete dealings in this place, they bestow favors, gifts
or good services from gods and kings
and they make philosphers, mystics and good businessmen.
For in fact, they give kingly gifts
except that they point out those who live abroad.

aka


Yang kesembilan dari Horoskopos menandakan perhitungan tentang dewa,
mimpi dan aborad yang hidup;
itu berkaitan dengan astronomi dan merupakan pra-Midheaven,
jika seseorang beralih dari pengaturan menjadi naik.
Itu disebut tempat Matahari.
Karena dalam kesunyian ini Matahari sendiri bersukacita.
Dan itu disebut Tolak Baik.
Ketika Zeus atau Hermes menyelesaikan transaksi di tempat ini,
mereka memberikan bantuan, hadiah, atau pelayanan yang baik dari para dewa dan raja
dan mereka membuat filsuf, mistikus dan pengusaha yang baik.
Karena pada kenyataannya, mereka memberikan hadiah kepada raja,
kecuali bahwa mereka menunjukkan mereka yang tinggal di luar negeri.
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Jupiter,

Isn't the 9th house is cadent house? Ancient Greek said the planets energy move away from the native [as you said too else where] however it's Jupiter own place, along with the 6th house and his joyful 11th house. This why I thought Jupiter is lame in my chart [despite domiciled and in it's own bound in system A].

The joyfulness of Sun in my personal observation because Sun rays in this particular hour [9th place] would be less heating, at least in equator.

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Isn't the 9th house is cadent house?
Ancient Greek said the planets energy move away from the native [as you said too else where]
Sun,
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9th IS Cadent
HOWEVER
9th being trigon ascendant
is considered "best" of Cadent houses

i.e.
3rd is Cadent
BUT
3rd is hexagon ascendant
and so
both 3rd and 9th aspect ascendant
but then
trigon "better than" hexagon
so 9th is thought "better than 3rd"
and therefore
6th and 12th considered "worst" of Cadents
because

disjunct aka IN AVERSION to ascendant
i.e.
6th and 12th do not aspect the ascendant
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Re: Bona Fortuna? 11th House?

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however it's Jupiter own place, along with the 6th house and his joyful 11th house.
This why I thought Jupiter is lame in my chart
[despite domiciled and in it's own bound in system A].
The joyfulness of Sun in my personal observation
because Sun rays in this particular hour [9th place]
would be less heating, at least in equator.















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That is not applicable for a lot of cases.
Just thought yesterday about this marriage delineation and let's take this chart as an example:
https://ibb.co/sqNfkqj

Venus is in the 11th, along with Mars and Moon and free from combustion. Without diving into details, there is marriage promise, but it wasn't the way we expected it.
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that is not applicable for a lot of cases.
just thought yesterday about this marriage delineation
and let's take this chart as an example:
https://ibb.co/sqnfkqj
says it is "nonexistent link"

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venus is in the 11th, along with mars and moon and free from combustion.
without diving into details,
there is marriage promise, but
it wasn't the way we expected it.
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