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You make a very good point Chia.

Sun in Cancer is not usually open and free to different nationalities and cultures. They are rather defensive and closed. Generally speaking.

But the Sibley Moon Aquarius in a lovely Trine to Venus/Jupiter expands the thinking and the experiences of the PEOPLE who welcome immigrants from any country...everyone was an immigrant once!

Yet again, I see the two charts working together to tell the same story.

Both SAG/AC in the charts indicates a land of foreigners from far away with an adventurous spirit to conquer the world.

The Lee Resolution (also known as "The Resolution for Independence") was the formal assertion passed by the Second Continental Congress on July 2, 1776 which resolved that the Thirteen Colonies in America were "free and independent States", separated from the British Empire and creating what became the United States of America. News of this act was published that evening in the Pennsylvania Evening Post and the next day in the Pennsylvania Gazette. The Declaration of Independence is the formal document which officially announced and explained the resolution, approved two days later on July 4, 1776.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Resolution

The vote took place at noon and lasted fifteen minutes.

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Another reason I prefer the Sibley Chart although I do find TimW's chart very, very interesting is due to the return which is in effect now.

in H2 (ruling the stock market & country's finances )and we are heading for a great economic crash. Maybe not as bad as 1929 but almost.

This is what happens when Communists take over a country. Always happens without fail.


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Ok actually this makes more sense, though I'd also say that the US's ascendant in Sagittarius is also very open to people from all walks of life as well. That's why it's such a big melting pot.
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Another reason I prefer the Sibley Chart although I do find TimW's chart very, very interesting is due to the return which is in effect now.

in H2 (ruling the stock market & country's finances )and we are heading for a great economic crash. Maybe not as bad as 1929 but almost.

This is what happens when Communists take over a country. Always happens without fail.
I've never seen so many Americans(?) wishing for great harm to come to this nation, just to pursue their own emotional and political agenda!

Looks like Saturn and Pluto retrograde have dredged up the tired old "Red Scare" routine that became moribund in the 1970s, after the end of the Vietnam War.

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Nobody wants harm to come to the U. S. except Communist China.I

Who are now running the country into the ground thanks to Traitor Joe & the Marxist Dems who put America Last & China First.

Please don't turn this into yet another Patriot/Trump-Hate thread

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I've never seen so many Americans(?) wishing for great harm to come to this nation, just to pursue their own emotional and political agenda!

Looks like Saturn and Pluto retrograde have dredged up the tired old "Red Scare" routine that became moribund in the 1970s, after the end of the Vietnam War.
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Another reason I prefer the Sibley Chart although I do find TimW's chart very, very interesting is due to the return which is in effect now.

in H2 (ruling the stock market & country's finances
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Pluto is ALSO in House 2 in the Cornwallis chart. In addition the Sibly chart has most of the planets on the "Others" side of the chart. This suggests the US is DEPENDENT on the world to do things for it. The Cornwallis chart has most of the planets on the "Self" side of the chart, suggesting that the US does things itself instead of waiting around for someone ELSE to do something.

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Wow, TimW, you are right. AND Mars too.

The two charts really are so similar it's uncanny.

Thank you for pointing that out again.
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Tim, what about the empty First House? That stands out for me.
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What stands out to me are the MANY empty houses in the Cornwallis chart and the STRONG focus on the top-left (outer world-self) part of the chart. This DIRECTLY contrasts with the Sibly chart which has the STRONG focus on the top-RIGHT (outer world-OTHERS) part of the chart. As I point out in another post, the Sibly chart suggests a DEPENDENT nation which needs to have others to move before it can make a move. The Cornwallis chart suggests a nation which makes moves on its own WITHOUT waiting for other nations to make a move. The US' STRONG presence in the world to me suggests the Cornwallis chart a more likely alternative.

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Today I was looking at the transits and progressions of the Cornwallis chart and see that both transiting Uranus and progressed Venus in the self-expression house are squaring natal Mars conjunct Pluto in the physical house. To me this seems to symbolize the HUGE issue that has erupted in the US over the understanding of what it means to be "male" or "female". The entire structure of male/female is being restructured and transformed in ways never before seen in the US. It is becoming increasingly difficult for people to identify what IS a "man" or a "woman" any more. All of this can be readily seen in the transit and progression I mentioned. The Sibly chart shows no square between Mars conjunct Pluto and progressed Venus and so no transiting Uranus activating that square.

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Today I was looking at the transits and progressions of the Cornwallis chart and see that both transiting Uranus and progressed Venus in the self-expression house are squaring natal Mars in the physical house. To me this seems to symbolize the HUGE issue that has erupted in the US over the understanding of what it means to be "male" or "female". The entire structure of male/female is being restructured in ways never before seen in the US. It is becoming increasingly difficult for people to identify what IS a "man" or a "woman" any more. All of this can be readily seen in the transit and progression I mentioned. The Sibly chart shows no square between Mars and Venus and so no Uranus activating that square.

Looking at genders,

Tim
I guess, erroneously they have been called genders. Technically, more appropriately they are power units depicted by positive and negative units. Looking at ancient pictures and writings, there are a lot of descriptions of electrical symbols.

As in today’s enlightenment, maybe we astrology students should use the appropriate terms of Positive and Negative.🙂
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And WHO is making this 'gender issue' such an big deal?

Majority of Americans couldn't care less, they are worried about crime, the border crisis and the economy.

The transiting Neptune H3 in SQ with Mars H7 in Sibley Chart shows the deception with the media to the public and the fantasy world they call 'news'
They really are 'the enemy of the people'.

It's not that the U.S. is not concerned with social issues but the vast majority of Americans are more concerned with 'bread & butter' issues.

This disinformation & fake news is gradually coming to an end.
BLM support has dropped dramatically as public catches on that they are a political group & nothing to do with racial equality.

Neptune dissolves the Truth but it's now leaking out.

CRT is at 58% unfavourable rate & dropping as more & more schools move to ban it.

The 100 + pronouns 'issue' is a complete joke. The 'woke' cancel culture is disappearing quicker than Pelosi can draw up new impeachment papers and now it's 'go woke, go broke'.

The progressed Moon Aquarius conjunct Saturn is a very sobering 'wake up' call to reality by the people.
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Making Juneteenth a National Holiday looks like a step in the right direction. Not sure how it shows up in the National chart though.
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I guess, erroneously they have been called genders. Technically, more appropriately they are power units depicted by positive and negative units. Looking at ancient pictures and writings, there are a lot of descriptions of electrical symbols.

As in today’s enlightenment, maybe we astrology students should use the appropriate terms of Positive and Negative.🙂
Problem is, the terms Positive and Negative for gender literally have positive and negative connotations on a social basis.
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Maybe because most states have been celebrating Juneteenth since 1980.

It's not new except it's now been signed off as a Federal Holiday.

Don't have time to look at chart but wouldn't know to look at 1980 when the day was nationally recognized or the day (today?) biden signed the papers.


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Mmmmm. Wonder why Obama didn't sign it as a Federal Holiday.

I'm off now but the astrology would be for 1980 and today.




Juneteenth started in Galveston, Texas, but it is now recognized, in some form, as a day of observance in every state except Hawaii, North Dakota and South Dakota, according to a report compiled by the Congressional Research Service. The Texas state legislature was the first to officially recognize Juneteenth, in 1980.
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Mmmmm. Wonder why Obama didn't sign it as a Federal Holiday.

I'm off now but the astrology would be for 1980 and today.




Juneteenth started in Galveston, Texas, but it is now recognized, in some form, as a day of observance in every state except Hawaii, North Dakota and South Dakota, according to a report compiled by the Congressional Research Service. The Texas state legislature was the first to officially recognize Juneteenth, in 1980.

I read that the same legislation making Juneteenth a national holiday was introduced in Congress last Summer, but didn't get enough votes.

The question is, what astrological factor changed between last year and this year, to help it pass?

Jupiter ingressing Pisces maybe?

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The gender thing.

I guess, for me, it is an astrological thing. The reading I do affirms that the astrological chart is of electronic proponents. To use masculine and feminine names, detracts from the obvious truth.

If we use the terminology of positive and negative, asserting that is is like a battery or a DNA strand, it would assist in the learning.

Yes, people would be confused and prefer to be positive no doubt. But people are also in a quandary if they have a strong masculine or feminine chart, and think that it is about male and female, not what it is.

Electrical units. Positive and Negative.
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The Lee Resolution (also known as "The Resolution for Independence") was the formal assertion passed by the Second Continental Congress on July 2, 1776 which resolved that the Thirteen Colonies in America were "free and independent States", separated from the British Empire and creating what became the United States of America. News of this act was published that evening in the Pennsylvania Evening Post and the next day in the Pennsylvania Gazette. The Declaration of Independence is the formal document which officially announced and explained the resolution, approved two days later on July 4, 1776.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Resolution

The vote took place at noon and lasted fifteen minutes.
This is an interesting alternative.

The AstroDataBank at Astrodienst has at least 14 different charts labeled Nation: USA with different founding dates or times.

Tim's Yorktown chart is #14.

Here's one where an astrologer went to the trouble of matching subsequent historical events with the 1781 date of the Articles of Confederation.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.8
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The gender thing.

I guess, for me, it is an astrological thing. The reading I do affirms that the astrological chart is of electronic proponents. To use masculine and feminine names, detracts from the obvious truth.

If we use the terminology of positive and negative, asserting that is is like a battery or a DNA strand, it would assist in the learning.

Yes, people would be confused and prefer to be positive no doubt. But people are also in a quandary if they have a strong masculine or feminine chart, and think that it is about male and female, not what it is.

Electrical units. Positive and Negative.

Plumbing units, male/female.

Yin/Yang, receptive/creative
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The chart has more positive signs involved. Libra Aries MC/IC, nodes, Libra Sun and Neptune. Positive also Aquarius Pluto and Mars. Ascendant and Saturn and Venus in Sagittarius.

Leaving only Negative CancerUranus, Moon and Mercury Scorpio.

I like this for the US.
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[I'm just going to do something very tongue-in cheek: a parody on why we shouldn't use mundane charts to interpret current politics to bolster an extreme ideology. Please follow along with the chart Tim posted in the OP.]

Comrades! I am pleased to present you with the horoscope of the running-dog capitalist country of the United States.

All power to the people.

You will notice the 10th house sun in its fall in Libra. The MC ruler, Venus, is in detriment. Thus showing that US dominance of global politics is destined to fail. (The sun and 10th house rule the head of state.) The sun conjunct the south node shows the country's stagnation and archaic stem of government.

Libra is the westernmost sign of the setting sun in the West, also appearing with increasing hours of darkness. Arise brothers and sisters! Join the rising sun of the Far East!

The rapacious capitalism of the US is further demonstrated by the sun's square to violent Mars conjunct domineering Pluto in the 2nd house of the nation's money supply. Saturn ruling the 2nd house from the 12th shows the plutocratic authorities as heartless old men, lacking in compassion for the righteous struggles of the Proletariat.

Mars rules the 4th house of "the people," showing that the ruling class favor violence as a means to perpetuate unfair labor practices and to alienate workers from the products of their labors. The moon, another indicator of "the people," in its fall and conjunct Venus in detriment in the 11th house of labor unions, shows that workers cannot prosper under their rulers' oppressive tactics.

Uranus in the 7th mundane house of military conflict shows America's willingness to use its military might to disrupt and overturn its peace-loving neighbors.

Saturn in the 12 house of secret enemies is none other than the secretive CIA.

Workers, unite and fight against this mad dog capitalist regime! You have nothing to lose but your chains.
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This is an interesting alternative.

The AstroDataBank at Astrodienst has at least 14 different charts labeled Nation: USA with different founding dates or times.

Tim's Yorktown chart is #14.

Here's one where an astrologer went to the trouble of matching subsequent historical events with the 1781 date of the Articles of Confederation.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.8

I'm intrigued that the U.S. incarcerates more citizens per capita than any other country in the World! Fits Saturn in H12; unaspected, which means that it's a separate phenomenon, not really what this country's about.
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The transiting Neptune H3 in SQ with Mars H7 in Sibley Chart shows the deception with the media to the public and the fantasy world they call 'news'...Neptune dissolves the Truth...
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You bring up a good point: since there is SUCH an issue of deception and lying going on today in the News it SHOULD show up in the Cornwallis chart. While you find it in the Sibley chart in Neptune square Mars and focus on the "deceitfulness" this aspect indicates, there is an ADDITIONAL thing going on today. The deceptions happening are slowly dissolving away the structure of the US's cultural identity.

I was interested to see if this would be reflected in the Cornwallis chart and found it. Transiting Neptune in the house of communication is squaring natal Saturn conjunct the Sagittarian Ascendant. This shows deceptive communication stressing the very structure of the US's identity and the nature of the US's truth itself (Sagittarian Ascendant). This is interesting in light of the way that "truth" which used to be seen as an objective thing (e.g. "THE truth") is increasingly becoming a SUBjective thing (e.g., "MY truth"). This shows the Neptunian dissolving at the basis of what is truth itself in the US. Neptune in the 3rd also shows deceptiveness in communications that is going on. Since Neptune is also "spirituality" in addition to "deceptiveness" it's interesting to how this belief in relative truth is also affecting religions, as spiritual religions are having their structures dissolved and become less spiritual and more secular and focused on earth-bound issues (Saturn).

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OK, Tim-- Still thinking you can make your case by presenting a rightwing ideology as fact? My next parody will be of a QAnon follower Trumper conspiracy theorist interpretation.

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You bring up a good point: since there is SUCH an issue of deception and lying going on today in the News it SHOULD show up in the Cornwallis chart. While you find it in the Sibley chart in Neptune square Mars and focus on the "deceitfulness" this aspect indicates, there is an ADDITIONAL thing going on today. The deceptions happening are slowly dissolving away the structure of the US's cultural identity.

I was interested to see if this would be reflected in the Cornwallis chart and found it. Transiting Neptune in the house of communication is squaring natal Saturn conjunct the Sagittarian Ascendant. This shows deceptive communication stressing the very structure of the US's identity and the nature of the US's truth itself (Sagittarian Ascendant). This is interesting in light of the way that "truth" which used to be seen as an objective thing (e.g. "THE truth") is increasingly becoming a SUBjective thing (e.g., "MY truth"). This shows the Neptunian dissolving at the basis of what is truth itself in the US. Neptune in the 3rd also shows deceptiveness in communications that is going on. Since Neptune is also "spirituality" in addition to "deceptiveness" it's interesting to how this belief in relative truth is also affecting religions, as spiritual religions are having their structures dissolved and become less spiritual and more secular and focused on earth-bound issues (Saturn).

Looking at the possibilities,

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OK, Tim-- Still thinking you can make your case by presenting a rightwing ideology as fact? My next parody will be of a QAnon follower Trumper conspiracy theorist interpretation.

Yours in freedom of expression, W.

Waybread, it works both ways, as to who is substituting fiction for fact.

It really started during the Obama campaign in 2008, with his opponents claiming without credible evidence that his birth certificate was faked, and that even his name was falsified.

At that time, transiting Neptune wasn't squaring the Cornwallis natal Saturn, so the "fake news" syndrome promoted by right-wingers would need another reason for coming into existence.

I suggest it was transiting Pluto ingressing Capricorn that corresponds best to the current penchant for deciding for oneself what's true and what's not, facts not withstanding.

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