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So, that was the first revelation in this Voyage of Discovery: Not a single-point to mark the Ages, but a single 30 degree interval, the length of a Sign, moving into and out of convergence with each Sign of the sidereal Zodiac. The leading-edge of the Age-window functions as THE "Age-indicator", while the trailing-edge maintains continuity with the previous leading-edge Age.

When the Age-window fully converges with the Age-sign, only that Sign is contained within the window. Then, the leading-edge of the window ingresses the next Sign, and a new Age begins.
Does it use the pole stars?

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Does it use the pole stars?
No, it uses the Sun in relation to the Earth--gets us where we live!

Tropically, the Age-window is centered on the center-line of the Earth's elliptical orbit, which is marked by the Sun's Zodiacal position at the time of Earth's Perihelion.

Sidereally, the Age-window is located using the Vernal Point, which is at one end of the line of Intersection of Earth's orbital and Equatorial planes. The Vernal Point (VP) is marked by the Sun's Zodiacal position when Spring begins (on Earth) in the Northern Hemisphere.

In both cases, the transit of the Age-window, which is known as "Precession", is believed by astronomers to be due to Earth's "wobble" as it rotates.
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I really liked the song "Aquarius", especially the part about "mystic crystal revelations, and the mind's true liberation".

But, the opening verse, "When the Moon is in the 7th House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...." is SO not how the Ages are determined, it's lyrically pleasing but astrologically nonsensical.
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Since the Aquarian Age is about moving from 4th to 5th Dimensional reality, the name of the band singing about the Age of Aquarius, The Fifth Dimension, was amazingly appropriate.
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Something in defense of the lyric, "It is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius" from the song by The Fifth Dimension:

"Dawning" begins occurring about 5 or 6 degrees before Sunrise. So, that line didn't necessarily mean that the Aquarian Age had already begun, only that it was getting discernibly closer to beginning, as was the actual case in the late '60s and early 70's.
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I really liked the song "Aquarius", especially the part about "mystic crystal revelations, and the mind's true liberation".

But, the opening verse, "When the Moon is in the 7th House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...." is SO not how the Ages are determined, it's lyrically pleasing but astrologically nonsensical.
Quite awhile ago, I checked it out and came to the same conclusion. It is a song. Nothing more.

But, the beginning of a resurgence of astrology was seeded from the song. My mother had the album. It was a fun, upbeat song.
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No, it uses the Sun in relation to the Earth--gets us where we live!

Tropically, the Age-window is centered on the center-line of the Earth's elliptical orbit, which is marked by the Sun's Zodiacal position at the time of Earth's Perihelion.

Sidereally, the Age-window is located using the Vernal Point, which is at one end of the line of Intersection of Earth's orbital and Equatorial planes. The Vernal Point (VP) is marked by the Sun's Zodiacal position when Spring begins (on Earth) in the Northern Hemisphere.

In both cases, the transit of the Age-window, which is known as "Precession", is believed by astronomers to be due to Earth's "wobble" as it rotates.
The perihelion happens every year. What would mark a special year?
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The perihelion happens every year. What would mark a special year?
This year was special. If you're familiar with the way Black Moon Lilith, varies +/- from its "Mean-setting", which is its average placement, relative to its "True-setting" , which is where it actually is at any given time, its the same for the tropical location of the Point of Perihelion.

The Mean-setting of the Point of Perihelion has constant Direct-motion through the tropical Zodiac, at the rate of about a minute of arc per year. The True-setting, on the other hand, swings back and forth, from year to year, but never farther away from the Mean-setting than +/- 1.75 degrees.

The Mean-setting is Age-generational, 58.1 years per generation. But, the True-setting varies within each Age-degree generation.
This year, in January 2020, the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator reached the closest it's come yet to tropical Aquarius, @29 degrees, 23 minutes tropical Capricorn. In 2021, it swings back about a degree.

In 2033, the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator will come even closer to tropical Aquarius, @ 29 degrees 37 minutes tropical Capricorn. And, coincidentally, in that same year, a new Age-degree generation will begin, with a steadily Direct Mean-setting of 28 degrees tropical Capricorn.

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First True-setting ingress of the tropical Age-indicator into Aquarius in over 20,000 years will be in 2047.

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The Mean-setting of the tropical Age-indicator will ingress tropical Aquarius 102 years after the ingress of the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator in 2147. Once the year 2149 arrives, the True-setting will remain in Aquarius. It will swing further into Aquarius, but won't periodically swing back into Capricorn, which will be the case until 2149.

It's the Moon's orbit around the Earth that causes the variations between the True-setting and the Mean-setting.

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It's the Cardinal-sign, tropical Ages that exhibit their intrinsic results in the ending degrees of the Mean-setting of the Age-indicator. So, the Industrial Revolution, Capitalism, the electronic technology, and the Globalization of the modern-day world are the intrinsic results of this Cardinal-sign Age of Capricorn, from about 1750 onwards. The Cardinal-sign Ages develop their intrinsic effects gradually, which culminate late in the Age.

For the Cardinal-sign, tropical Age of Libra, the most representative result, which fully manifested during the last 5 degrees of the Age (c.3400-3100 B.C.E.), was the advent of City-state Civilization itself, in the Tigris Euphrates Valley region, including written language.


The Fixed-sign tropical Ages are just the reverse: They exhibit their intrinsic results immediately, from the time of the ingress of the Mean-setting of the Age-indicator into the Fixed-sign.

For the tropical Age of Scorpio, that was about 3100 B.C.E., and the most representative manifestation was the sudden rise of the First Dynasty of Ancient Egypt under Osirian (Plutonian) Age-rulership. The World-altering effects of that tropical Fixed-sign Age are still reverberating in the Collective Unconscious.

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Completing the tropical Ages pattern, the Mutable-sign Ages culminate in the middle Decant. The tropical Age of Sagittarius ran from about 1350 B.C.E. to about 400 A.D., which coincides with the Hellenistic Era.

Its most intrinsic astrological results manifested in the "Glory that was Greece" centered around c.500 B.C.E. The first Olympiad games date from 776 B.C.E., just a few years before the Mean-setting of the tropical Age-indicator ingressed the middle Decant.

Since the Ancient Greek culture epitomizes the tropical Age of Sagittarius, it's appropriate that the Mutable-Fire-sign became depicted as the Greek Centaur during the Age itself.
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Completing the tropical Ages pattern, the Mutable-sign Ages culminate in the middle Decant. The tropical Age of Sagittarius ran from about 1350 B.C.E. to about 400 A.D., which coincides with the Hellenistic Era.

Its most intrinsic astrological results manifested in the "Glory that was Greece" centered around c.500 B.C.E. The first Olympiad games date from 776 B.C.E., just a few years before the Mean-setting of the tropical Age-indicator ingressed the middle Decant.

Since the Ancient Greek culture epitomizes the tropical Age of Sagittarius, it's appropriate that the Mutable-Fire-sign became depicted as the Greek Centaur during the Age itself.
For the Sidereal, I think, that their “action” happens when it is 10 degrees into or 10 degrees leaving the sign, 3 of them have the same “10” one has “.10”. I base that on the numbers found on some depictions of The Key of Mysteries.
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For the Sidereal, I think, that their “action” happens when it is 10 degrees into or 10 degrees leaving the sign, 3 of them have the same “10” one has “.10”. I base that on the numbers found on some depictions of The Key of Mysteries.
Having studied the 2150 year sidereal Ages prior to discovering that there are 1750 year tropical Ages as well, I agree that the middle Decant correlates best in the case of the 3 sidereal Ages we have enough information on to make the correlations. No tropicalists i know of have attributed the Industrial Revolution or modern technology to the sidereal Age of Pisces, here in the last degrees of this current sidereal Age.

That's exactly the problem for tropicalists attempting to explain all the new technology and globalization using the sidereal Ages alone. Without realizing it's also the culmination of the tropical Age of Capricorn, it would have to mean that the siderealists have all gotten their own Zodiac's Sign-positions wrong, and the sidereal Aquarian Age must have started, effective immediately, centuries earlier than the siderealists say it will.

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The world still goes on: some people believed June 21, 2020 (yesterday) was the end times. I believe we may officially entered the Aquarian age, we're in the between date of Jan 1st and Dec 13th (before a total solar eclipse and the great conjunction). Nov 3rd, election day and Jan 20, 2021, inauguration day is when the global superpower decides to elect a new American to better lead an increasingly troubled country. The tropical sun in Capricorn/Aquarius cusp on Jan 20th, the two signs ruled by the planet Saturn, but in sidereal it lies is 5' Capricorn. Here's a PDF about the 4-6' Capricorn range of "removal, rebellion and renewal" of American political leadership every 4 years (after leap year).

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The world still goes on: some people believed June 21, 2020 (yesterday) was the end times. I believe we may officially entered the Aquarian age, we're in the between date of Jan 1st and Dec 13th (before a total solar eclipse and the great conjunction). Nov 3rd, election day and Jan 20, 2021, inauguration day is when the global superpower decides to elect a new American to better lead an increasingly troubled country. The tropical sun in Capricorn/Aquarius cusp on Jan 20th, the two signs ruled by the planet Saturn, but in sidereal it lies is 5' Capricorn. Here's a PDF about the 4-6' Capricorn range of "removal, rebellion and renewal" of American political leadership every 4 years (after leap year).

http://www.micheleadler.com/Julyrevisedblog09pdf.pdf
Which Zodiac are you using for an Age of Aquarius? And, what astronomically measured point for the Age-indicator? That's really what it takes to calculate when the Age begins.
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There is some influence from the approaching tropical Aquarian Age, and it's slooowly but surely on the increase, one minute of arc each year.

However, the tropical Age of Capricorn is still dominant, and Saturn remains sole Age-ruler until the Mean-setting of the tropical Age-indicator reaches tropical Aquarius in 2149.

Meanwhile, Uranian influence is getting stronger as well, in preparation for its Age-rulership of the tropical Aquarian Age.

The year 2033, which is the first year the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator comes within less than 30 minutes of arc from tropical Aquarius, will be a jump in Aquarian and Uranian effects. And, the year 2047 will be a major turning point, when the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator (temporarily) ingresses tropical Aquarius for the first time in over 20,000 years.

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David, do you believe we're in the year 12,020 instead of 2020 AD? Aquarian age should be the 12,000th year if we're starting in the Leo age, from the point of Virgo. The birth of Jesus Christ should been in the year 10,000 instead of 1 BCE, which was in the Pisces age.
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David, do you believe we're in the year 12,020 instead of 2020 AD? Aquarian age should be the 12,000th year if we're starting in the Leo age, from the point of Virgo. The birth of Jesus Christ should been in the year 10,000 instead of 1 BCE, which was in the Pisces age.
Interesting idea, but my real area of expertise is the tropical Ages. The sidereal Ages do lend themselves to various interpretations.

Have you seen this idea anywhere? Always nice to find independent agreement!
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Interesting idea, but my real area of expertise is the tropical Ages. The sidereal Ages do lend themselves to various interpretations.

Have you seen this idea anywhere? Always nice to find independent agreement!
There's a "Holocene calendar year 12,020" scientific/natural/humanist calendar you can find on Google.
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David, do you believe we're in the year 12,020 instead of 2020 AD? Aquarian age should be the 12,000th year if we're starting in the Leo age, from the point of Virgo. The birth of Jesus Christ should been in the year 10,000 instead of 1 BCE, which was in the Pisces age.
I believe the number to be higher. We all know, ancient civilizations existed, I think it is just difficult to keep track of the years, because of worldwide, continual global disasters, getting us to begin at 1, again, and again.
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The Aquarian Age is beyond linear time. We can't really grasp the concept, because we're totally enmeshed in linear-time consciousness.
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Notice that we're actually using linear-time to predict when "time's up" regarding linear-time consiousness itself.

The changeover to non-linear-time consciousness will definitively not be "business as usual" once the Aquarian Age takes full effect!
Aside from predicting that the Age of Aquarius will be highly individualistic, humanitarian, and "in tune" with the Earth and all its fauna and flora, that's about all we can know about it, from an Age of Capricorn perspective.

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By far the worst result of tropicalists (who are naturally the ones sensing the power of their own Aquarian Age), not realizing that there IS a tropical Age of Aquarius upcoming following the tropical Age of Saturnian-ruled Capricorn, is that we've been completely misled by our use of the sidereal Zodiac to explain it.

The changeover from the sidereal, Neptunian-ruled Age of Pisces to the sidereal, Uranian-ruled Age of Aquarius will be smooth and easy. That's what fooled tropicalists into believing it would be a quick, harmonious transition into the next Age. To my sorrow, I believed it as well, until I finally understood the tropical situation:

Saturn won't back down, won't relinquish Age-authority without a fight, and is dangerous as all get out. Two World Wars, the Spanish Flu, the threat of nuclear war during the 1960's, the Vietnam War, then the "War on Terrorism"; and now, this deadly pandemic with fears of more to come--these are all part and parcel of Saturn's desperate response to becoming so close to losing the power that comes along with Age-rulership.

Saturn doesn't just rule fear. Saturn gives us a reason to be afraid.

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