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In astrology you are working with the powers of nature. There will be a very certain influence if the geocentric assumption is correct. There will be a very uncertain influence if the heliocentric assumption is correct. In fact, astrology nearly died out when the second assumption was adopted.

I don't understand the clock analogy - American isn't my first language.
The analog clock has 12 numbered divisions which remain stationary while the hour, minute, and seconds hands rotate through them in "clockwise direction". You may be too young to remember it, since it's been largely replaced by digital watches and clocks.

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The analog clock has 12 numbered divisions which remain stationary while the hour, minute, and seconds hands rotate through them in "clockwise direction". You may be too young to remember it, since it's been largely replaced by digital watches and clocks.
No, we still have those. Well the model of this clock is built upon the ancient sundial, in which the shadow made by the gnomon relative to the revolution of the Sun reveals the hour. I don't see what this has to do with the precession of the constellations, which has an opposite movement of the daily rotation.
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No, we still have those. Well the model of this clock is built upon the ancient sundial, in which the shadow made by the gnomon relative to the revolution of the Sun reveals the hour. I don't see what this has to do with the precession of the constellations, which has an opposite movement of the daily rotation.
Astronomers refer to it as "precession" in either direction.

The constellations "precess" in direct-motion through the tropical Signs.
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Since the Industrial Revolution, which led to the era of High Technology we're in now, is so obviously not what could be expected from the sidereal Age of Pisces, there had to be some other explanation.

It was the tropicalists who intuitively sensed the oncoming Age of Aquarius, not the siderealists, for whom the sidereal Aquarian Age is still too far from beginning to have an impact on our civilization.

Without knowing about these tropical Ages, tropicalists had no choice but to muck with the sidereal Zodiac to get a much earlier start to the sidereal Age of Aquarius than the siderealists will allow, given their placement of the sidereal Sign-boundaries.

Once these tropical Ages become known, the explanation becomes clear as a bell: The culminating phase of the tropical Age of Capricorn gets the credit and/or blame for the current state of the world.

And, tropically, the Aquarian Age really is "dawning", which means it was within 6 degrees of ingress into tropical Aquarius in the year 1800, when the initial effects of the oncoming tropical Aquarian Age were just beginning to show, and will be within only 2 degrees from ingress in the year 2033..

We're still living in the culminating era of the tropical Age of Capricorn, but the preliminary effects of the oncoming tropical Age of Aquarius are now an important, and increasing influence on our collective existence.

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The 3 most other planets in their ruling signs (last year, Jupiter was in Sagittarius, now in capricorn and heading into Aquarius, then in Pisces in 2022):

The last time Saturn was in Aquarius was during the L.A. (Rodney King) riots happened.

The last time Pluto was in Capricorn was during the American revolution.

And Neptune was in *Pisces* when Rome fell.

We have all 3 right now!
Well...a look at the ephemeris in 476 AD and the internet meme about what sign Neptune was in during the fall of Rome, it turns out was NOT in Pisces, it's actually in Libra...oh, internet, you claim to be so right when you're proven not.
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Well...a look at the ephemeris in 476 AD and the internet meme about what sign Neptune was in during the fall of Rome, it turns out was NOT in Pisces, it's actually in Libra...oh, internet, you claim to be so right when you're proven not.
For something as widely and permanently eventful as the Fall of Rome, the Ages are your best bet for the correlation.

Both the sidereal Age of Pisces and the tropical Age of Capricorn were just beginning at the time Rome fell, and the Christian and Islamic religions were taking power in the West and in the Middle East, replacing the Greco-Roman religions of the Hellenistic Age that was ending.

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Although the (retrograde) sidereal Age of Pisces and the (direct) tropical Age of Capricorn both began around 400 A.D., they are determined using different astronomical markers. The sidereal Ages last about 2150 years, the tropical Ages last about 1750 years. So, the sidereal Aquarian Age won't begin until about 400 years after the tropical Aquarian Age.
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Rome didn't fall to pagans.
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Rome didn't fall to pagans.
The Huns had a lot to do with the Fall of Rome.
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The Huns had a lot to do with the Fall of Rome.
The Goths allowed the continuous existence of the Roman senate and legislation for at least another century.

They freely accepted a different Christian doctrine from the Roman bishop, but ruled over him for centuries. This is contrary to your statements that the Romans had some kind of absolute authority over the age.

The age of Pisces can't be beginning with Christianity and Islam at the same time since they are removed by 600 years. The Persians and later Muslims also didn't take the entire Eastern Empire, but only parts of it.

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The Goths allowed the continuous existence of the Roman senate and legislation for at least another century.

They freely accepted a different Christian doctrine from the Roman bishop, but ruled over him for centuries. This is contrary to your statements that the Romans had some kind of absolute authority over the age.

The age of Pisces can't be beginning with Christianity and Islam at the same time since they are removed by 600 years. The Persians and later Muslims also didn't take the entire Eastern Empire, but only parts of it.
Ancient Rome was polytheistic, with Jupiter as its king of the gods. That was during the tropical Age of Sagittarius. The transitional period out of the Age of Sagittarius up to the tropical Age of Capricorn lasted for about 400 years. The Mean-setting ingress reached Capricorn in 405 A.D.

Then, there was a transitional period into the Age of Cap for about another 400 years. By about 800 A.D., the Age was firmly in place, including its Anno Domini dating system with the addition of "B.C." notation, although its intrinsic results didn't start taking full effect until the last decant during the 16th Century. The halfway point at about 1300 A.D. ushered in the Renaissance.

It's the Fixed-sign tropical Ages that begin intrinsically and effectively in an immediate way, not the Mutable-sign or Cardinal-sign Ages.

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It's the Fixed-sign tropical Ages that begin intrinsically and effectively in an immediate way, not the Mutable-sign or Cardinal-sign Ages.
What a better way to start the age of Scorpio than a six day creation amirite?
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What a better way to start the age of Scorpio than a six day creation amirite?
Tropical Age of Libra supplied everything the Age of Scorpio needed for a quick start intrinsic to its own Sign-qualities and rulership.

This tropical Age of Capricorn will supply the Age of Aquarius in the same manner. No holding back.
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Tropical Age of Libra supplied everything the Age of Scorpio needed for a quick start intrinsic to its own Sign-qualities and rulership.

This tropical Age of Capricorn will supply the Age of Aquarius in the same manner. No holding back.
How did Scorpio begin differently from the next two ages in your opinion, and how is Aquarius related to it?
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How did Scorpio begin differently from the next two ages in your opinion, and how is Aquarius related to it?
It's about the Seasonal quadrants, and a one-Sign overlap.

The Cardinal-sign Age overlaps the previous quadrant's Mutable-sign Age, which interferes with its developments, pushing them to the end of the Cardinal-sign Age.

Christianity is a continuation of the visionary Age of Sagittarius, armored against the Saturnian rulership of the overlapping Age of Capricorn, and prophecizing (in its own terms) Saturn's loss of power once the Age is over.

A Fixed-sign Age overlaps a Cardinal-sign Age of the same quadrant, which ensures a fast start will very little interference. The Fixed-sign intensity makes it unstoppable in that context.

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It's about the Seasonal quadrants, and a one-Sign overlap.
The Cardinal-sign Age overlaps the previous quadrant's Mutable-sign Age, which interferes with its developments, pushing them to the end of the Cardinal-sign Age.

Christianity is a continuation of the visionary Age of Sagittarius, armored against the Saturnian rulership of the Age of Capricorn, and prophecizing Saturn's loss of power once the Age is over.

Fixed-sign Ages overlap a Cardinal-sign Age of the same quadrant, which ensures a fast start will very little interference. The Fixed-sign intensity makes it unstoppable in that context.
Ok, I am asking you what start did Libra allow Scorpio in terms of your analogy with Capricorn to Aquarius.
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Ok, I am asking you what start did Libra allow Scorpio in terms of your analogy with Capricorn to Aquarius.
City-state civilization, including writing and artistic ability, along with technological and scientific advancements.
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City-state civilization, including writing and artistic ability, along with technological and scientific advancements.
None of these things had a quick start in secular chronology.

What you said of two quick starts makes sense with the biblical model of two creations. But I believe that there wasn't ever an age before Taurus/Scorpio nor will there ever be.

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None of these things had a quick start in secular chronology.

What you said of two quick starts makes sense with the biblical model of two creations. But I believe that there wasn't ever an age before Taurus/Scorpio nor will there ever be.
What's your time-frame for the Age of Taurus/Scorpio?
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Saturn conjunct Moon, Mercury and Venus (and Chiron) in Taurus close to Neptune in Aries on Apr 15, 2029 - the date asteroid Apophis flies by too close for comfort over earth. Again, Saturn represents a great disaster to the world every 28 years (1917, 1945, 1973, 2001 and 2029). Eris is another "Aquarian" planet to depict disasters when it aspects other planets in the sign of Aries, it has been in 20-25' range of Aries from 2001 for about 22 years (until 2023) from 9/11 (2001) to the 2008-11 Great Recession to 3 novel coronavirus diseases.
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What's your time-frame for the Age of Taurus/Scorpio?
Wednesday 1 AM to 2008 AM (3959 BC 200 years - 1951 BC 200 years). This is the time from the creation of the stars to the birth of Abraham. The luminaries and the stars were created on a Wednesday, perhaps on the 4th day of the seventh month.

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They had greater scientific knowledge before the Tower of Babel, but this slowly deteriorated after the Word came down from heaven and confused their languages (incidentally, the Word sent mankind the holy gift of speaking foreign languages without effort 2000 years later). All writings are dated after that incident.

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Wednesday 1 AM to 2008 AM (3959 BC 200 years - 1951 BC 200 years). This is the time from the creation of the stars to the birth of Abraham. The luminaries and the stars were created on a Wednesday, perhaps on the 4th day of the seventh month.



They had greater scientific knowledge before the Tower of Babel, but this slowly deteriorated after the Word came down from heaven and confused their languages (incidentally, the Word sent mankind the holy gift of speaking foreign languages without effort 2000 years later). All writings are dated after that incident.
This is the standard, (retrograde-motion) sidereal Age timeline, which has the sidereal Piscean Age beginning from about the year 1 A.D. to 400 A.D., and the sidereal Aquarian Age from about 2150 to 2550 A.D.

Rounding off 1 to 5 years, the (direct-motion) tropical Age timeline has the tropical Age of Capricorn beginning 400 A.D., and the tropical Age of Aquarius beginning 2150 A.D.

So, the tropical Age pattern matches up almost perfectly with the latest start for the sidereal Age of Pisces, and with the earliest start for the sidereal Age of Aquarius.

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This is the standard, (retrograde-motion) sidereal Age timeline, which has the sidereal Piscean Age beginning from about the year 1 A.D. to 400 A.D., and the sidereal Aquarian Age from about 2150 to 2550 A.D.

Rounding off 1 to 5 years, the (direct-motion) tropical Age timeline has the tropical Age of Capricorn beginning 400 A.D., and the tropical Age of Aquarius beginning 2150 A.D.

So, the tropical Age pattern matches up almost perfectly with the latest start for the sidereal Age of Pisces, and with the earliest start for the sidereal Age of Aquarius.
Easy to see how the sidereal Age masks the tropical, since they both occur in the same time-frame. Also, precession of the Equinox, which is used for the sidereal Ages, is far more noticeable than precession of the Perihelion, which delineates the tropical Ages.

And finally, the Age-window concept, which explains the overlapping of Age-signs and is therefore so useful in terms of describing the dynamics of both types of Ages, is essential for determining the tropical Ages; whereas, the sidereal Ages can be determined without recognizing the importance of constructing it.
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Well, here's something I was happy to come across. Someone else realizes that we're in transition from the tropical Age of Capricorn to that of Aquarius; and, that it occurs in stages which can be observed as their results become evident.

Jessica Adams has a blog I just saw for the first time. She also realizes that each succeeding generation is more attuned to the Aquarian nature of the ongoing transformational process, and that Pluto's upcoming ingress into Aquarius will result in a major shift towards Aquarian Age awareness during this transitional period.

Here's an excerpt from her blog, in her words:

It begins with the message 'RESIST!' (resisting the old Age of Capricorn values of greed, money, patriarchy, suits, corporations, and big business), but ends with something quite new. A strong and confident creation of a new planet for everybody.

Here's another opinion of hers I agree with:

A lot of the old astrology books from the 1970s get the rulership of Aquarius wrong. It's not ruled by Saturn at all (that's Capricorn). It's wholly and exclusively ruled by Uranus.


https://jessicaadams.com/2020/01/16/...e-of-aquarius/
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My concerns of the Capricornian age when the nodes shifted from Capricorn to Sagittarius (true nodes Cancer to Gemini) on the first 5 months of 2020, and the recent solar eclipses' paths of totality and areas of observable visibility.

3 solar eclipses in 2019: A partial one in Jan 5 over China and east Asia, A total one in Jul 2 over Chile and Argentina; and Dec 26 over India and SE Asia. And now this year an annular one on June 21 over NE Africa, Saudi Arabia, India and China; and a total one on Dec 14 again in Chile and Argentina (South America) are over exact areas which are the most affected by the COVID-19 pandemic at this time (Chile, so is Peru but not Argentina), but the pandemic has ceased to a very low number in east Asia (China) where it first originated.

Those areas are also having high tensions in political activism and protests too, looking at Iran and Lebanon, and escalations of border clashes between India and China which has stripped Hong Kong's autonomy and threatened Taiwan's sovereignty.

Before 2019-20 was the Aug 21, 2017 TSE over the mainland USA, and not a surprise, the USA is the world's hardest hit COVID-19 nation with 35 states are experiencing a second wave of new daily cases and rising hospitalizations in the last month.

And the Feb 26, 2017 and Feb 15, 2018 annular solar eclipses again over the southern cone of South America. I have a feeling the 4 total lunar eclipses in 2015-16 was an indication of a great global disaster in...4 years...2019-20.

The lunar nodes were in Cancer/Capricorn in 2018 (started in November) and all of 2019, note the year 2018 was when there was no full moon in Feb, a 28-day month (depending on time zone, the full moon fell on Jan 31 or Mar 1). And in Oct 2020, 2 full moons in a month: Oct 1-2 and Oct 30-31, again based on your local times. The blue moons in 2018 were in signs Leo and Virgo, and in 2020, Aries and Taurus. Like Sagittarius (current node with Gemini), Aries and Leo are fire signs, and like Capricorn, Taurus and Virgo are earth signs.
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