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are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

I am wondering...and in my experimentation divination techniques seem to give answers that are right for that moment, but mecause we can all change so quickly at the moment, can not be relevant even a month later.

So I am wondering if that is worth considering in astrology...the science of astrology says that becasue it has happened that way so many times before...it is like to be that way again. The energies have been so strong even recently and my healing path so involved and focused that I am not sure that acepted understandings of my chart hold anymore?

Just a puzzling thought I wanted to throw out for discussion....I am not necessarily fixed on the idea...more trying it on for size and testing it out.

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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

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I am wondering...and in my experimentation divination techniques seem to give answers that are right for that moment, but mecause we can all change so quickly at the moment, can not be relevant even a month later.

So I am wondering if that is worth considering in astrology...the science of astrology says that becasue it has happened that way so many times before...it is like to be that way again. The energies have been so strong even recently and my healing path so involved and focused that I am not sure that acepted understandings of my chart hold anymore?

Just a puzzling thought I wanted to throw out for discussion....I am not necessarily fixed on the idea...more trying it on for size and testing it out.

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Well, I will say this:

When I was learning tarot about 9 years ago, I had an excellent mentor who was a professional psychic and also had Indian medicine woman roots.
She told me that the outcome of the reading could completely change if I made another choice that impacted the reading.

For instance, she would do a chakra reading on me, then do some energy work on balancing my chakras. Sure enough, when she went back and did the same reading, it was reflecting the change.

I've found this true in "horary" or "snapshots of the energies" charts, as I like to call them. I can ask about something, and if it isn't clear, the chart will show me what needs to change. Then, if I later get this obstacle resolved, I can go back and ask again, and I will get a better answer. Clearing the obstacle obviously affects the answer you get through horary astrology. I do not believe you ALWAYS have to wait the 3 -6 months or whatever, to ask again IF you have changed your choices/the way you are directing your energy. ( OF course, this applies to the other person's choices/way they are directing their energy, as well).

I hope that came out clearly... you know me...
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

ahh yes very clearly....interesting...kinda instant ability to shift and change...thats exciting. Not too stable...but saggy sun likes change so i'm lucky....ah jupiter is lucky to maybe i willlearn that some day.

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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

Unfortunately, the rules of astrology have already changed once back in the 1880s thanks to the misguided money-seeking workings of one man. It's only recently that these notions have been challenged by resurrection of the previous rules.

The revolutions of the spheres don't change, the signs don't change, the aspects don't change, etc, etc. The only thing that changes is man's attempt to change everything to fit his worldview and his attempt to grasp at false hope.

Are new energies changing the rules of astrology? Hardly. I'm pretty sure arrogance can hardly be termed "new".
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

which man?? sounds a story worth sharing.

Not talking about aspects changing just our interpretations of what results the pattern of the spheres indicate.

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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

Addressing your question specifically, Flea... ( I only commented on this before):
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I am wondering...and in my experimentation divination techniques seem to give answers that are right for that moment, but mecause we can all change so quickly at the moment, can not be relevant even a month later.
...... I don't think the "rules" of Astrology are changing. I think there are just some things that we are noticing about the way it works that was not noticed in the past.
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

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The stars have been here a lot longer than we have, and they'll be here long after we're gone. They aren't going to change. If we want to understand them, we have to change.
Yes! That is what I was trying to say in my last post. I do not think Astrology has changed. I think WE are changing, and therefore discovering "new" things about Astrology that have actually been there all along.
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

thankyou olivia.....
i love your quote that i paraphrase if we are to ubderstand the stars WE have to change.

Thanks for filling me in on the story. What do you think about Rudolph Steiner...he was a theosiphist fo a while and was quite a profound thinker?

I just wonder that the universe is forever changing so the stories it has to tell us evolve too??


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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

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Yes! That is what I was trying to say in my last post. I do not think Astrology has changed. I think WE are changing, and therefore discovering "new" things about Astrology that have actually been there all along.
No, what Olivia means is that astrology never changes or fluctuates and that if we are to understand it we are the ones who have to change our worldview to be compatible with the laws set down long before man walked the earth. Not that we discover new asteroids to throw into the mix that were fluttering about in space before we developed the high-powered telescopes necessary to see them.
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

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No, what Olivia means is that astrology never changes or fluctuates and that if we are to understand it we are the ones who have to change our worldview to be compatible with the laws set down long before man walked the earth. Not that we discover new asteroids to throw into the mix that were fluttering about in space before we developed the high-powered telescopes necessary to see them.
You know, Kai- there is always more than one viewpoint to every scenario. You can interpret the chart your way - "according to the rules of the ancients" and get some valid information. I - and others- who use the newer techniques can look at that same chart, and also get some valid information. It's just two different ways of looking at it.

I'm not knocking your way ( the old ways) in the least. In fact, if I had a chart-reading for myself done, I would want someone with your expertise to look at it, AND someone who uses the kinds of techniques I use. That would be the best of both worlds.
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

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You know, Kai- there is always more than one viewpoint to every scenario. You can interpret the chart your way - "according to the rules of the ancients" and get some valid information. I - and others- who use the newer techniques can look at that same chart, and also get some valid information. It's just two different ways of looking at it.
In most cases you would be correct, but astrology is a lot like reading. Letters and words always mean the same thing and that's the reason why people can read books written by different authors and about different topics and what-have-you. People generally reach the same conclusions in astrology charts because they operate off of the same base system and can follow a set of rules that are used to help guide an astrologer down their path.

Essentially what has become of astrology is everyone is making up their own alphabet when they are writing their books. At least, that's my viewpoint on the matter. It's confusing out there.
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In most cases you would be correct, but astrology is a lot like reading. Letters and words always mean the same thing and that's the reason why people can read books written by different authors and about different topics and what-have-you. People generally reach the same conclusions in astrology charts because they operate off of the same base system and can follow a set of rules that are used to help guide an astrologer down their path.

Essentially what has become of astrology is everyone is making up their own alphabet when they are writing their books. At least, that's my viewpoint on the matter. It's confusing out there.
I see where you are coming from... but let me ask you this... IF I and the many others who read as I do, are doing it "all wrong/not according to the rules"... then how are we spot on with the majority of our readings?
And you are doing it a completely different way than we are - according to the rules you choose to follow, but yet, have a very high accuracy record, as well? How can we both be "correct" experentially, if you are the only doing it in such a way that will produce "correct results"?
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

The obvious answer is that we are not both as correct as we would like to be and we are correct about different things. I'm generally correct/incorrect about the outcome of a question. Where the car keys are. If there's going to be a relationship in the future. From what I've observed, your methods tend to focus on things like why the car keys are important to the person and what karmic thing is keeping someone from a relationship. It's as if we have two completely different focuses which goes right back to inventing different letters.
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

So what are we experiencing at the moment.....is it just that the earth is moving through a different part of the universe....I do not mean that our view of the universe is changing .....but that the actual universe is growing and changing all we know and what we dont know....like some of the stars we see burned out millions of years ago....is it really that static....that is my pondering about the sky and its various interpretations.

Dont seem to be making myself heard as i want to be but will be perservering...

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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

The Earth may or may not be moving through a different part of the universe (I assume it is because we just follow along with the Milky Way and it moves), but we're not being thrown through it by ourselves. The entire solar system and adjacent solar systems are coming with us. Everything that is apparent and bringing truth down to us is still the same as it was. That's how I see it, anyway the universe as we can see it (and consequently what it means to us) being static overall.

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Because Chiron doesn't cast visible light down to us here on earth. It's invisible and its influence is as visible as its light.

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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

hmmmm I am thinking that there are two scools of thought brought out by this discussion one is that the is a static universe and another that has a universe in flux.....would people agreee on on the issue of there being two versions???

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So......the traditional astrology rule is "if we cannot see it, we ignore it because it doesn't affect us"...but modern technology enables us to see it...so, do we still ignore it because it doesn't affect us?

Lots of things are *there* that don't affect us.I don't think we need to get into a discussion on which planets /asteroids/fixed stars/comets etc *affect *us, because that's not really the point here.
Astrology limits its practice to a set number of planets that have *stood the test of time* in terms of their predictable movement around the sky.
Now we know for a fact that the Universe is not static-it's forever changing and the orbits of all planets have altered ,if even only slightly, over Time.
My adage is *As above, so Below*(It's not original btw)
If things change *above* then they will change *below*.
However, in relation to the interesting question you raise, Flea, about these changes we are witnessing *below* (or *within* even) I dont think they affect the rules of Astrology because by following the rules we are able to recognise and understand these changes. In other words, there are descriptors of change in the existing framework of astrology.
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The energies have been so strong even recently and my healing path so involved and focused that I am not sure that acepted understandings of my chart hold anymore?

I'm just wondering if these changes might be more reflected in your Progressed chart?
I think we can interpret our charts on several levels-when we are children, our chart plays out in a different way than it does when we become adults.The emphasis changes from the 4th/10th house axis of our parents, and moves more toward our H1/h7 axis. From what you say there seems to be an emphasis on h9 matters at the moment for you. I think as we go through developmental changes it is very much reflected in our chart and certain houses seem to play a more significant role than others at such times.
I'm wondering if this is what is happening to you at the moment?
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

ahh good point are my feelings related to the personal or universal....will have to put that thinking hat on!!

my ninth house is indeed full in my current prog chart!! sat mars chiron and moon...also aqu is pretty full sun venus moon and mars and merc will join them in a few years. Sun and merc in the seventh house.

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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

maybe i am not so much talking about the rules...though i do think is an important question to question at the moment.....but more our interpretations and what is a good or a bad influence...i tend to see them as benign in some ways and it is what atmosphere we bring to them that changes things. So malefic or squares are not seen as much in the negative light as they have been....becaus eof the evolution of humanity??

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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

I'm saying Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, and Chiron aren't relevant to us. Light is a huge theme in astrology, not waves or rays, but just light. The new "planets" are about as relevant to us as infa-red and ultraviolet. These spectrums of light are there, but they don't do us much good.

Please don't try to devolve this into a "I can't see you, you're not there" kind of argument. It's much more sophisticated than that. It's a "You don't cast light, so your influence can't reach us"
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

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The obvious answer is that we are not both as correct as we would like to be and we are correct about different things. I'm generally correct/incorrect about the outcome of a question. Where the car keys are. If there's going to be a relationship in the future. From what I've observed, your methods tend to focus on things like why the car keys are important to the person and what karmic thing is keeping someone from a relationship. It's as if we have two completely different focuses which goes right back to inventing different letters.
Well said, Kai. My point is that BOTH are important. Your method is quite good at getting a clear "yes" or "no". But when a chart shows a "NO", or "not likely - too many obstacles", then the way I read a chart often uncovers the reasons as to "why" you're getting a "no", and if there's anything you need to change about your self in order to get a "yes" answer on that question or another similar opportunity in the future.

Also, often I've found that the person wasn't really wanting to know a clear "yes" or "no". They may think that they were, but what they really wanted to know was some understanding that will help them to be at peace about the subject, or to be able to see something about the situation that they weren't seeing before. This is why some of the charts on here are so fuzzy for you to read your way - the question isn't really about a "yes" or "no". And really, when people truly understand a situation, they usually can see what their choice needs to be.

Tying this in with the thread topic and previous comments.. this shows how people are evolving - seeing things that have always been there to see about astrology- yet were not picked up on before. You can't tell me that the way the planets worked was different back in Lilly's day, and that the same charts he read could not also have been read in the manner that I ( and many others) read the charts.

There is a thing called progressive revelation. Many people think that the Bible says all that God ever wanted to say. But the fact is that God ( the Universe - all that IS) was speaking then, and continues to speak to this day. When God speaks, truth is revealed. The truth has always been there in its fullness, but we have to grow in our capacity to receive it.

Astrology reveals truth, and the workings of the Universe - Astrology IS the Universe speaking to us- and so it is with Astrology, as well.
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So what are we experiencing at the moment.....is it just that the earth is moving through a different part of the universe....I do not mean that our view of the universe is changing .....but that the actual universe is growing and changing all we know and what we dont know....like some of the stars we see burned out millions of years ago....is it really that static....that is my pondering about the sky and its various interpretations.

Dont seem to be making myself heard as i want to be but will be perservering...

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Thank you for clarifying, Flea. I think I understand what you are trying to say better now. I sort of see where you are coming from, but it is a topic that I've never really meditated on before.

But this phrase does come to mind: The "SEEN" is always being changed and shaped by the "UNSEEN". So maybe that ties in with the changes you are referring to in the Universe.
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

Also, for some reason, this song lyric came to me:'

"Everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."
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Re: are the new energies changing the rules of astrology?

It's not ignorance, it's called following the rules and it's a lot less confusing to boot.

You not using Lillith, Priapus, Ceres, Juno, Pallas, Chiron, Astrea, Hygeia, Nessus, Woodney, List'ev, Fireman, Flora, Thetus, etc, etc. That's ignorance. Why not use them? Aren't they just like Pluto, Uranus, and Neptune? If not, why not? There doesn't appear to be a concrete difference, but I'm interested in knowing if there is.
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