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You're asking the wrong guy, David. Way too many years in international treaties and conflict resolution.

Let's put it this way: were I on the team, and hoped for the representatives of the other country to listen to me, it is not the first thing I would bring up. Probably not even the second thing.

I get that you may not understand the why of that.

But no, I'm not in favour of vigilantism. Never have been.

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You're asking the wrong guy, David. Way too many years in international treaties and conflict resolution.

Let's put it this way: were I on the team, and hoped for the representatives of the other country to listen to me, it is not the first thing I would bring up. Probably not even the second thing.

I get that you may not understand the why of that.

But no, I'm not in favour of vigilantism. Never have been.
I knew THAT. So, the U.S. is ignoring the death squads in order to get Duterte to listen to....what, exactly? Gotta look the other way at all kinds of atrocities to make nice, IF there's something way more important at stake. Not seeing that here. You're giving the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not. It could be Trump wants to build a Trump Tower in Manila, and needs Duterte's approval--that sounds most likely. Being friendly with China expedited permits for his brothel sorry, I mean "Escort Service" Agency there. Wants to keep his factories in China secure as well. "Make China Great Again"!
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I knew THAT. So, the U.S. is ignoring the death squads in order to get Duterte to listen to....what, exactly? Gotta look the other way at all kinds of atrocities to make nice, IF there's something way more important at stake. Not seeing that here. You're giving the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not. It could be Trump wants to build a Trump Tower in Manila, and needs Duterte's approval--that sounds most likely. Being friendly with China expedited permits for his brothel sorry, I mean "Escort Service" Agency there. Wants to keep his factories in China secure as well. "Make China Great Again"!
It's a fairly important place to the US military wise to try and "keep China in check."
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You're asking the wrong guy, David. Way too many years in international treaties and conflict resolution.

Let's put it this way: were I on the team, and hoped for the representatives of the other country to listen to me, it is not the first thing I would bring up. Probably not even the second thing.

I get that you may not understand the why of that.

But no, I'm not in favour of vigilantism. Never have been.
Uh, you're not equating Duterte's death squad drug policies with Antifa, are you? Because "vigilantism" is such a nebulous, all inclusive term. I will say, that if Antifa claimed allegiance to Trump, the uproar from the Democrats and the media would be deafening! Especially if they wore brown shirts.

Just Say NO to Death Squads! Makes these weird, anti-freespeech laws look pretty harmless in comparison. At least they're Laws, as misguided and insidious as they are.
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It's a fairly important place to the US military wise to try and "keep China in check."
I prefer a friendly relationship with China as well. I was just tweaking Trump about his failure to divest. ALL his foreign policy decisions are under suspicion because of that. He's got his mind on his money, and his money on his mind. Everything else is secondary for him.
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The Executive Orders ability makes EVERY POTUS a potential dictator. The reason I was concerned about Trump, was that what prevents a "Dictator-in-Chief" is, that each such Order is supposed to be sent to Congress for examination. It goes into effect right away, then, it's up to the Legislative Branch to cancel or modify it, IF there are enough votes to do that. If the courts decide it's Unconstitutional, they can block it immediately. With a Republican-controlled House and Senate, and a Republican-leaning Supreme Court, it looked like Trump had a blank check. Turns out, he's got a lot more opposition than it first appeared.
It now occurs to me that J.F.K. actually DID have dictatorial power, until he overreached, by planning to change the Federal Reserve system, end the War in Vietnam, and curtail the activities of the C.I.A. I mean, DUDE, what we're you THINKING?! He was President, not Superman! Even if he were Superman, they would have taken him out with some Kryptonite bullets.

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I don't care who is President when it comes to criticism of another country for using death squads in the so-called "War on Drugs". And the reason Duterte stood out for me was the conference of world leaders recently, where only Trudeau privately criticized him, and Duterte publicly rebuked him for it. So, if it's all right for Trump to criticize Venezuela except for threatening sanctions, why not the same for Obama and the Philippines. I'm not being partisan about it.
As far as Trump being a "dictator", he has the style of a dictator, as one might expect from a C.E.O. used to having his orders followed. But, VERY fortunately, even though he's attempting to rule using Executive Orders, our checks and balances system IS working, much to my relief. At first, I wasn't sure it would, which is when I labeled him a "dictator". Now that I see it is working, he's a "would-be dictator", with plenty of enthusiastic supporters.
But again, are YOU, yourself being partisan, or issue-oriented, when you say it's all right for Trump to criticize Venezuela, as long as sanctions aren't involved, but that it wasn't all right for Obama to criticize the Philippines? What's your criteria for that? Rule of law is rule of law, and death squads are, by definition, outside the rule of law.
When a president casts judgement on another democratic nation, he or she is by definition trying to promote a change by means of public shaming on moral grounds. He is also demeaning the administration of said country.

You are, as usual, putting words into my mouth. It isn't correct for either Trump or Obama to criticise fellow presidents of allied countries, but criticism usually goes hand in hand with doing something about it, like calling for sanctions, otherwise the person who makes the criticism would seem to just do empty threads, and makes him/her look bad. It also makes it hipocritical if you criticise one nation, but keep silent about similar issues in other nations.

Rule of law works as long as there is a functional goverment that is respected. If you happen to live in a nation where the court system is corrupted and impaired, the law enforcement (police/national guard) is ineffective and crime is rampant in the streets, then there isn't much to look foward regarding the rule of law. This is why I said earlier that your hollywoodean perception of the world doesn't have much room in real politics. Take Mexico as an example, do you think a citizen can take a drug dealer to court for damages to property? of course not, the citizen would be killed and the courts wouldn't even bother with the case out of fear. This is because the law system in Mexico has completely collapsed.

You are comparing the Phillippines with the U.S. disregarding the huge practical diferences in both nations, with rampant corruption higher in volume than the U.S.. For example, the communist party actually holds an illegal special militarised wing that acts on its own independant of actual goverment (and this predates Duterte), and has been breaking the law for decades using its own militia. Do you think a citizen of phillippines can take "the people's army" to court? No, the rule of law doesn't work there.

So yeah, I don't aprove of death squads either. But I'm not so dumb as to think the country should be analised with a 1st world perspective.
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When a president casts judgement on another democratic nation, he or she is by definition trying to promote a change by means of public shaming on moral grounds. He is also demeaning the administration of said country.

It isn't correct for either Trump or Obama to criticise fellow presidents of allied countries....

So yeah, I don't aprove of death squads either.
At least we agree on that last point.

Setting standards for the behavior of ALL countries, such as calling for a ban on the use of chemical weapons, "disappearing" people, and death squads, is just that--setting standards, saying something is just plain WRONG, nothing personal. Even if nothing positive can be done about it, it still should be said by Free World nations [IMO]. So, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Since I believe a carefully thought out end to the "War on Drugs" is a priority, and you believe that to be a wrong course of action, we'll just have to disagree on that as well.

Thanks for your consistent, well-considered reply!
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Setting standards for the behavior of ALL countries
But here is the contradiction with that statement: you imply that a few nations should impose their own rulings and views on another nation, based according to their moral views.

I mean, you promote exactly what you seem to oppose: for one entity to impose control on the other. And you justify this based on your perception of how bad it is.
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Since I believe a carefully thought out end to the "War on Drugs" is a priority, and you believe that to be a wrong course of action, we'll just have to disagree on that as well.
I have no problem with countries legislating the use of drugs and allowing for a legal trade. I don't believe however that every society is in condition to succesfully do so.

Some countries have legalised drugs to a succesfull degree, but most of those countries were highly efficient democracies to begin with, with a low crime rate and low instances of goverment corruption, and a general custom of respecting the law by most of its citizens. The case Oddity made for legalising drugs in Canada comes as a perfect example, and I would agree with him that Canada is a prime candidate to attempt drug legislation given that it is a highly efficient country with a rather respectful society, and legalising drugs (at least some of them) would perhaps improve some of the problems they may have.

But when it comes to inefficient goverments with high levels of corruption, such as most of South America, parts of Asia or Africa, I would certainly be against drug legislation, given you would only be giving more power to those that have benefitted from the drug trade for years. I also have some views regarding imposing restrictions to the availabiliy of certain drugs, and also the implications of certain habits in society, but most of these can be debated in an ordained fashion. Also in most of these countries, large drug cartel conglomerates exist, which should be utterly destroyed.
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I have no problem with countries legislating the use of drugs and allowing for a legal trade. I don't believe however that every society is in condition to succesfully do so.

Some countries have legalised drugs to a succesfull degree, but most of those countries were highly efficient democracies to begin with, with a low crime rate and low instances of goverment corruption, and a general custom of respecting the law by most of its citizens. The case Oddity made for legalising drugs in Canada comes as a perfect example, and I would agree with him that Canada is a prime candidate to attempt drug legislation given that it is a highly efficient country with a rather respectful society, and legalising drugs (at least some of them) would perhaps improve some of the problems they may have.

But when it comes to inefficient goverments with high levels of corruption, such as most of South America, parts of Asia or Africa, I would certainly be against drug legislation, given you would only be giving more power to those that have benefitted from the drug trade for years. I also have some views regarding imposing restrictions to the availabiliy of certain drugs, and also the implications of certain habits in society, but most of these can be debated in an ordained fashion. Also in most of these countries, large drug cartel conglomerates exist, which should be utterly destroyed.
We have a large drug cartel here, called "Big Pharma", short for the Pharmaceutical Industry. While it does good in some areas, it does tremendous harm in others. Lately, one of its prescription drugs, fentanyl, has been showing up in the illegal drug, heroin, a lethal combination. Oxycodone, another prescription drug, highly addictive, has become part of the illegal drug trade. No chance Big Pharma will be regulated more closely, since they contribute so heavily to political campaigns of both parties.
Your argument that the cartels need to be "destroyed", even though there's no way that can be done by governments they own, or can intimidate, makes me think legalization should at least be attempted, even in the third world. I don't see how it would make things any worse, and might make them better.
There was a Socialist, a real one, an anti-Capitalist, not a proponent of the Capitalistic Social-Safety-Net, on a call in radio show years back. He was living in what used to be called a "ghetto" area of L.A., and drive by killings had become so frequent, due to "turf wars" by local drug gangs, that he was saying that ending those should be a top priority. So, I called in and suggested that legalizing now illegal drugs would do that quite effectively, just as legalizing alcohol had ended the drive by shootings during alcohol Prohibition. His response was that we can't do that, because then the big Capitalist Corporations would take over the drug trade, and the poor neighborhoods would be deprived of the income the sale of illegal drugs was providing.
Just kicking it around. I don't have a perfect solution either, but I believe we should start by considering legalization as a vital first step, then deal with the new problems that will surely cause. But the new problems are almost certain to be far less violent than those resulting from the already proven failure of outright prohibition.
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We have a large drug cartel here, called "Big Pharma", short for the Pharmaceutical Industry. While it does good in some areas, it does tremendous harm in others. Lately, one of its prescription drugs, fentanyl, has been showing up in the illegal drug, heroin, a lethal combination. Oxycodone, another prescription drug, highly addictive, has become part of the illegal drug trade. No chance Big Pharma will be regulated more closely, since they contribute so heavily to political campaigns of both parties.
Your argument that the cartels need to be "destroyed", even though there's no way that can be done by governments they own, or can intimidate, makes me think legalization should at least be attempted, even in the third world. I don't see how it would make things any worse, and might make them better.
There was a Socialist, a real one, an anti-Capitalist, not a proponent of the Capitalistic Social-Safety-Net, on a call in radio show years back. He was living in what used to be called a "ghetto" area of L.A., and drive by killings had become so frequent, due to "turf wars" by local drug gangs, that he was saying that ending those should be a top priority. So, I called in and suggested that legalizing now illegal drugs would do that quite effectively, just as legalizing alcohol had ended the drive by shootings during alcohol Prohibition. His response was that we can't do that, because then the big Capitalist Corporations would take over the drug trade, and the poor neighborhoods would be deprived of the income the sale of illegal drugs was providing.
Just kicking it around. I don't have a perfect solution either, but I believe we should start by considering legalization as a vital first step, then deal with the new problems that will surely cause. But the new problems are almost certain to be far less violent than those resulting from the already proven failure of outright prohibition.
It wouldn't end the violence in any case. Cartels are nothing more than mafia, and would simply deal in other types of illegal markets. Its not like they are suddenly going to turn into honest businessmen and act according to the law. Furthermore, a certain manner of black market trade would still exist in the lower classes of society, because a lot of people will be too poor to purchase drugs (which I presume will be taxed heavily like tobacco is). Do you think mexican cartels won't still try to hold some presence in the U.S. and provide drugs at a cheaper level? They may even turn more violent.

This is why the argument that legalising drugs would eliminate drug violence and that the "war on drugs" isn't needed is just sketchy in my opinion. You would still need to fight and eliminate this cartels regardless of drug legislation.

So it won't really change much. Perhaps they may change from drug traffic to human traffick, weapon traffick, etc.
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It wouldn't end the violence in any case. Cartels are nothing more than mafia, and would simply deal in other types of illegal markets. Its not like they are suddenly going to turn into honest businessmen and act according to the law. So in essence, you would still need to fight and eliminate this cartels regardless of drug legislation.

This is why the argument that legalising drugs would eliminate drug violence is just sketchy in my opinion. Furthermore, a certain manner of black market trade would still exist in the lower classes of society, because a lot of people will be too poor to purchase drugs (which I presume will be taxed heavily like tobacco is).

So it won't really change much. Perhaps they may change from drug traffic to human traffick, weapon traffick, etc.
It would alter this violent, dirty, tried and failed mess we've got now. There was much less violence after Prohibition ended, and then the problem shifted to other areas. Automobiles equipped with radar, already being used in Japan to prevent collisions, will solve one of the most serious problems that alcohol, especially, causes on the highway. Seeking solutions other than violence against violence makes the most sense. Why keep making the same mistake over and over again, and expecting a different outcome?
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It would alter this violent, dirty, tried and failed mess we've got now. There was much less violence after Prohibition ended, and then the problem shifted to other areas. Automobiles equipped with radar, already being used in Japan to prevent collisions, will solve one of the most serious problems that alcohol, especially, causes on the highway. Seeking solutions other than violence against violence makes the most sense. Why keep making the same mistake over and over again, and expecting a different outcome?
Violence after prohibition did not stop. It simply changed from one business to another. It was the same people doing it. You still need to fight crime in every country, and violence can't really be eliminated. Again, people don't suddenly become good citizens just because a law is passed. Furthermore, the drug trade is conducted by international cartels that are more likely to turn violent by the loss of market.

I find some quality to the libertarian argument for drug legislation and I think it should be explored, but not for the one about ending violence, because the evidence in favour of the latter is quite poor.
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Violence after prohibition did not stop. It simply changed from one business to another. It was the same people doing it. You still need to fight crime in every country, and violence can't really be eliminated. Again, people don't suddenly become good citizens just because a law is passed. Furthermore, the drug trade is conducted by international cartels that are more likely to turn violent by the loss of market.

I find some quality to the libertarian argument for drug legislation and I think it should be explored, but not for the one about ending violence, because the evidence in favour of the latter is quite poor.
Yeah, I meant violence concerning the Alcohol trade pretty much stopped. Law enforcement needed new reasons to kick down doors, and handcuff and surveil and shoot people. They simply switched targets from alcohol to the drugs mostly being used by minorities at the time. That's how the "War on Drugs" started, and how these cartels were created in the first place. The billions spent on this misbegotten war goes directly to law enforcement, and these agencies don't want to lose their source of funding. That's the REAL addiction. We called it "Cops and Robbers" when we were kids. No robbers, no cops needed, in that game. Now, it's no illegal substances, no DEA. Also, the C.I.A. uses drug money for clandestine operations. Well known and documented. So, it's hopeless.
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At least we agree on that last point.

Setting standards
for the
behavior of ALL countries
such as calling for a ban on the use of chemical weapons, "disappearing" people, and death squads
is just that--setting standards

saying something
is just plain WRONG
nothing personal.
Even if
nothing positive
can be done about it
it still should be said
by Free World nations [IMO].


So, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Since I believe a carefully thought out end to the "War on Drugs" is a priority, and you believe that to be a wrong course of action, we'll just have to disagree on that as well.

Thanks for your consistent, well-considered reply!
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Yeah, like I said, it's hopeless. There ARE no standards.
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Ironically, the future king (crown prince) of Saudi Arabia wants the country to adopt a new moderate Islam and abandon Wabhabism, their state version of Islam...because of ISIS are Wabhabis or Salafis, and some of the Saudi parliament funded ISIS, they will eventually be removed from power.
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The reason why you live in a free society in which you can complain in the first place, is because it works upon the principles I am defending here.

The consequences of my system of belief have been in place for over a hundred years now, and they seem to work pretty finee given most succesful countries in the world are capitalist republics that respect the rule of law. The alternative to what I propose is what you defend, which is authoritharian rule, is what will bring disastrous consequences to society.
Could you be more delusional?

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Nah. It's obviously Trump.
Fake news about 14 year-old Soros helping Hitler, incidentally. He once had to act as a courier, but he warned the recipients not to report to the location as ordered. That was a few messages, one time. He was posing as a German boy in order to stay alive, but he never caused anyone else's death. Right-wing zealots are just mad that someone with money is helping left-wing causes, instead of joining the Koch brothers in electing right-wing Republicans.
Trump's obviously the "rude Beast" of the Yeats poem. His followers see him as a divinity, which fits the description.

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