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Unread 11-12-2011, 02:34 AM
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Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

If not, what is it? I haven't been able to figure this out and it's driving me nuts, lol. I do know that Venus is my chart's Final Dispositor (Mars for the Houses), but I don't know if that means it's the Chart Ruler, or if something else is.

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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

The term "chart ruler" refers to the ruler of the Ascendant.. in your case Jupiter would be the Chart Ruler. The chart ruler and the final dispositor are different and have different meanings.

Rulership is a Traditional concept, and not everyone, even modern astrologers, are in agreement that Uranus, Neptune and Pluto have Rulership in the traditional sense. However, if we WERE to assume that Uranus is the Ruler of Aquarius, Uranus still would not be your chart ruler (as your Asc is not in Aquarius) OR the dispositor of any planets (as you have no planets in Aquarius).

Uranus conjunct the Sun however, would indicate that Uranian energy is intrinsic to your nature and identity and therefor Uranus would be emphasized in your chart because of that.
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The term "chart ruler" refers to the ruler of the Ascendant.. in your case Jupiter would be the Chart Ruler.
I remember reading this, but I also read that the Ascendant's ruler isn't always the strongest planet, and that if another planet has greater dignity or strength or is more prominently placed in the chart, that it can surpass the Ascendant's ruler as the Chart Ruler.
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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

I've read a billion definitions of "chart ruler." I don't know how it is defined because there doesn't seem to be a set definition. The ruler of the Ascendant seems like the best definition because the chart angles passing over things is when events happen, and the Ascendant is generally currently considered the most important chart angle.

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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

The totality of planets method (no one uses it but me-its my "invention") is what I use to determine the "t-o-p" planet ("chart ruler"), but if I can find an "ultimate dispositor" (which is not in a pitted degree) then that is the planet I will often consider to be the "ruler of the nativity". In the posted chart, Venus is the grand dispositor, ie, the sign ruler of the position of every chart element is ultimately disposited by Venus, which is its essential dignity in its domicile of Libra.
So, I would say that the "chart ruler" here is Venus.
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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

Yeah, but I guess there's still that nagging question inside me because looking at my chart, Jupiter doesn't seem all that prominent, aside from being the Ascendant's ruler. That's why Uranus aspecting both the Sun and the Ascendant made me wonder. Also, I've done various calculations of element and quality balance, and it's come back with both Fixed Air (Aquarius) and Cardinal Air (Libra) being dominant, so that also made me question it, though those are different from planets, of course. It's just balancing it all out that confuses me and where I get tripped up.

I appreciate both of you replying.

EDIT: I just saw dr. farr's post - Totality of the planets is something I've also considered just based on different articles I've been able to get my hands on. So, I guess it seems to come down to which method I prefer.... I wonder...do you take into account a method for calculating a prominent sign? For example, if my chart is ruled by Fixed Air (Aquarius), would it be instructive to look at Venus in Aquarius in terms of the totality of the chart? Or, just taking the Ascendant's ruler, Jupiter in Aquarius?

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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

I think you look at the actual planet in the actual sign, but I've been wondering if the fact that I have 7 cardinal planets and 3 air planets all in aspect (2 conjunctions 1 trine) to the Ascendant makes me Libran or something. Based on that theory I could also look at Venus in Capricorn, or Venus in Aquarius, or Uranus in Libra, or the Sun (sadly, the strongest traditional planet on my chart) in Libra, or any of a number of things based on speculations.
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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

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The totality of planets method (no one uses it but me-its my "invention") is what I use to determine the "t-o-p" planet ("chart ruler"), but if I can find an "ultimate dispositor" (which is not in a pitted degree) then that is the planet I will often consider to be the "ruler of the nativity". In the posted chart, Venus is the grand dispositor, ie, the sign ruler of the position of every chart element is ultimately disposited by Venus, which is its essential dignity in its domicile of Libra.
So, I would say that the "chart ruler" here is Venus.
So would the chart ruler be the ruler of the ascendant in a chart with no final dispositor, or does it depend?
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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

If I were not using my "t-o-p" planet method, and there were no final/grand dispositor, then yes I would go with the ruler of the ascending sign (as long as that planet is not in its Fall degree and not in a pitted degree or combust the Sun)

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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

So that I won't be accused of being cryptic and mysterious, here is my "t-o-p" planet method; remember it is nothing more than my own invention, which I have found of value in determining the most "influential" planet:

1) make a list of the 7 traditional planets

2) look at the subject chart: if any of the planets on your list is:
a) in the degree (exact degree) of its Fall
OR
b) in a pitted degree (see Elevations and Pits)
OR
c) within 5 degrees before or after the Sun (combust)
...then cross that planet (or planets) off your list

3) now use the available lists of Monomoiria (called planetary monomoiria) for reference; every degree of every sign of the zodiac has a monomoiria "planetary degree ruler", ie, is affinitive to a particular planet/planetary quality/energy

4) now look at the subject chart:
a) note the degree the ascendant is in, check that against your monomoiria list, and make a check on your list by the traditional planet that matches that degree of the ascendant from your monmoiria list
b) ditto for the degree of the MC
c) ditto for the degree of the DC
d) ditto for the degree of the IC
e) ditto for the degree in which the Part of Fortune falls
f) ditto for the degree in which the North Node is posited
g) ditto for the degree in which the South Node is posited

5) now do the same for each planet (I do it for all 10 planets)
-note the planet's sign/degree in the subject chart
-check to see what monomoiria connection that degree has with the monomoiria listed planet
-place a check on your list next to the planet whose monomoiria is indicated from your monomoiria list

Now you will have your original list (of 7 traditional planets or less if 1 or more has been crossed off the list because it is in its degree or Fall or in a pitted degree) and next to the name of each planet you will have from 0 (minimum) to a maximum of 17 check marks, usually a number of check marks in between none and 17; the TOP planet is that planet from your list which has the most check marks next to its name; if 2 planets have the same number of check marks, then they are co-rulers of the nativity.

Obviously this method applies only to determining which of the 7 traditional planets is the chart ruler: however the outer 3 are counted in this method against the degree monomoiria; the reason why we can't include the outers as possible rulers of the nativity (by this method) is that the ancient sign/degree monomoiria lists assign degree-affinities only to the 7 traditional planets.

There is a similar method to this one, for determining the "TOS" (top SIGN influence in the chart), but I think I have gone far enough in giving the "T-O-P" planet evaluation technique here.

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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

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I remember reading this, but I also read that the Ascendant's ruler isn't always the strongest planet, and that if another planet has greater dignity or strength or is more prominently placed in the chart, that it can surpass the Ascendant's ruler as the Chart Ruler.
Jupiter is indeed chart ruler, but things that caneasily override this is a stellium of planets ie: concentration of planets in a house, like 4planets in 11th house in your case, shows 'where you function' ie; house of friendships, groups, large organisations, hopes and wishes...

Let's not forget Tradtional astrologers don't use the outers, Uranus, Neptune and pluto. there has been a long discussion on this matter if you want read up or contribute..

are outer planets generational or personal
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39021

Sun conj Uranus will indeed overshadow your sun's rays and express more like an Aquarius/uranus type, plus having a stellium in 11th house naturally ruled by Aquarius is soooo strong here..

Moon is also handle for bucket chart.

Bucket chart
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html
http://www.astrococktail.com/planetaryorderIII.html

Moon in taurus is Exalted and conj POF suggests mother, women will bring you or put you on the road to your greatest happiness in 6th house matters.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house6

this moon is also a singleton ie: only planet in earth element or planets in earth houses to help compensate.


Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

Lack of elements
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm

http://www.nanceestar.com/elements.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=319747&posted=1#post319747


mars conj Neptune
“This conjunction can pose several difficulties: in choice of actions, where you may struggle to establish what your real aims are; in making that final decision to attempt to achieve them, and in ensuring that sufficient and persistent effort is then made to guarantee success. An unintegrated Neptune can dissolve that focused will, making decisive clarity difficult to maintain. Additionally, you tend to avoid accepting the consequences of your choices, and there can be a refusal to acknowledge responsibility when such actions lead to failure or negative results.”
http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL%2C_CONJUNCTION%2C _SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521


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Yeah, but I guess there's still that nagging question inside me because looking at my chart, Jupiter doesn't seem all that prominent, aside from being the Ascendant's ruler.[what makes you think chart ruler HAS to be prominent??] That's why Uranus aspecting both the Sun and the Ascendant made me wonder. Also, I've done various calculations of element and quality balance, and it's come back with both Fixed Air (Aquarius) and Cardinal Air (Libra) being dominant, so that also made me question it, though those are different from planets, of course. It's just balancing it all out that confuses me and where I get tripped up.
[sun is within 5' orb of asc and is considered more effective in next house along ie: 1st going anti clockwise, but not uranus]
I appreciate both of you replying.

EDIT: I just saw dr. farr's post - Totality of the planets is something I've also considered just based on different articles I've been able to get my hands on. So, I guess it seems to come down to which method I prefer.... I wonder...do you take into account a method for calculating a prominent sign?[this is more a Traditional astrologers technique rather than moderns, and of course the whole rulerships change] For example, if my chart is ruled by Fixed Air (Aquarius), [but IT'S NOT]would it be instructive to look at Venus in Aquarius in terms of the totality of the chart? Or, just taking the Ascendant's ruler, Jupiter in Aquarius?
Why are you making it sooooo much hard work?

perhaps you should research more on 12th house with uranus and mercury in there...


12th house planets/aspects
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart-12th.html
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgtwehouse_e.htm
http://12th.tribe.net/thread/c160721f-6268-42d8-bf31-897977f99188
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/The_12th_house
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Venus-in-the-twelfth-house-12th-house.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusinhouses.html

Research threads on AW
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3173&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+shouse
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

MC ruler mercury is practically unaspected with just an opp to moon

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Ruler of the Tenth House in the Twelfth House
Your main career may have an element of working behind-the- scenes or could have some other kind of hidden quality to it.
Your career may involve working in large public institutions or helping other people altruistically. It might even be connected to the psychological fields. Some of your personal power is not readily perceived by other people, or you may just prefer to keep it to yourself
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...ships.htm#hr10
do you suffer from sleep problems? have you felt the affects of neptune square MC?

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Without a firm sense of who you are and where you're headed, you may be subject to more than your share of downtime career-wise. You may find yourself a target for deceptive career schemes and false promises. Some of this can be avoided by getting into some serious career counseling and making whatever effort necessary to become knowledgeable in your chosen field. Your biggest challenge may be to avoid getting sidetracked by doubts about your choices. You don't have to compromise your search
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If not, what is it? I haven't been able to figure this out and it's driving me nuts, lol. I do know that Venus is my chart's Final Dispositor (Mars for the Houses), but I don't know if that means it's the Chart Ruler, or if something else is.

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Uranus in close conjunction with Sun or ASC strongly affects a person, noticed by others as genius or crazy. Need to work out more on relationship, because this can lead to isolation.
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@astrologer50: lol I know I'm being difficult. I'm just trying to understand the chart's dynamics, as this is my weak spot, so it helps me to see how astrologer's consider the various influences in the chart. Thank you for all of the information!

@dhundhun: Isolation is something I'm familiar with, but it's primarily self-imposed. I do tend to either attract or repel others, though.
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Re: Is Uranus my Chart Ruler?

I have Sun conjunct Uranus too. I can identify, but mine is not conjunct my ascendant which must be intense...

I feel I have a balance of chart rulers in mine. Maybe you can identify with some strong areas and some weaker areas. Maybe the dominant is just dominant by a little bit giving a gradient of strengths... Of course that's probably always evolving a bit due to transits as well.
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How is your 11th house situated? It's a very planet-heavy section of my chart, though entirely in Libra (though it does end in Scorpio).
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How is your 11th house situated? It's a very planet-heavy section of my chart, though entirely in Libra (though it does end in Scorpio).
Are you asking me? My 11th house is Taurus house cusp. Retro Mars and Apex of a Yod could be in there depending on house type (it's in placidus, out equal).

My Sun/Uranus conjunction is in the 4th house Libra near the nadir.
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Are you asking me? My 11th house is Taurus house cusp. Retro Mars and Apex of a Yod could be in there depending on house type (it's in placidus, out equal).

My Sun/Uranus conjunction is in the 4th house Libra near the nadir.
Yep, I'm asking you. I was asking because Uranus is the 11th House Ruler, generally, so perhaps a strong 11th House showing adds to the Uranian flavor of a chart.
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Yep, I'm asking you. I was asking because Uranus is the 11th House Ruler, generally, so perhaps a strong 11th House showing adds to the Uranian flavor of a chart.
I'm not sure what to make of my 11th house. I'm still so new at this. I don't know ****... I guess my 11th house ruler is in my 5th house conjunct Neptune and yet another apex of a Yod. That area is also an apex of a talent triangle. It's an intense position...
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I'm not sure what to make of my 11th house. I'm still so new at this. I don't know ****... I guess my 11th house ruler is in my 5th house conjunct Neptune and yet another apex of a Yod. That area is also an apex of a talent triangle. It's an intense position...
By "talent triangle," do you mean a grand trine? If not, what is it? I've never heard the phrase before.
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By "talent triangle," do you mean a grand trine? If not, what is it? I've never heard the phrase before.
I learned this from a50, and it seems pretty esoteric as I haven't seen a lot of info on this, but it's two sextiles and one trine. You can see it in my chart. The Venus Neptune conj forms the apex. It seems to be something that you develop through your lifetime only to be comprehended later in your life.
http://joycehopewell.blogspot.com/20...-triangle.html
http://stellarclock.com/blog/2009/08...lent-triangle/
http://joycehopewell.blogspot.com/20...-recorder.html

I may be derailing here...
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