Synastry Vs. Composite Vs. House Overlays

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I have been in a very long term relationship, over 17yrs, married 15 yrs, and just discovered how to study ASTROLOGY. yay for me!!!! Our synastry is AMAZING, Sun/Moon conjunction and trine, Sun/Venus conjuction both ways, Venus/Mars conjunction both ways, you name, we got it House overlays were pretty good as well,,,,,My Sun and Mars technically falls in his 11th house, but they are so close to the cusp of the 12th house that you can consider them to be in his 12th. My Moon and Venus fall in his first house, but my Mercury falls in his 12th house (your Mercury is at 8 degrees, and his first house begins at 14 degrees Virgo). His Sun is in my 5th house, his Moon is in my 11th, his Mercury is in my 5th house, his Venus is in my3rd house, and his Mars is in my 4th house. But then I read the Composite Chart....woah.
a lot of squares with Neptune. My question is, does it mean that we are/will ultimately deceive each other?

Can you post the actual charts, please? We're all visual people here.

How to post charts on here:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

I thought I did.


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utsa92, congratulations on your happy marriage.

Others will disagree with me, but I don't find the house business to be effective in synastry. If you think about it, we meet hundreds of people all the time in a casual way, and having the checkout cashier's stellium fall into my 7th house doesn't indicate marriage. I am not going to have a love affair with my next door neighbour merely because his Mars falls into my 5th house. My husband's planets do not fall into my 7th house--his sun is in my 2nd and his moon is in my 3rd. On the other hand, our suns are trined at the same degree, and we have good venus/Mars chemistry.

It's a little different with composite charts, which show a relationship, not two individuals. I think composite chart houses have meaning, provided you have two accurate birth times.

Your horoscopes didn't come up--merely the aspectarians. From what I can tell, you have the sun (identity of the relationship) Venus (affection) and Mars (sexuality) which is all to the good. Sure, you could take Neptune as deception, but why if this hasn't been a problem for you so far? Alternative meanings of Neptune are that it is hard to get a realistic sense of the relationship because you are very idealistic about it, or occasionally it is hard to get the relationship to gel because Neptune tends to dissolve what it touches. You might both be very spiritual people--or love sailing!

How do you think Neptune manifests in your marriage?

Thank you, so much for the feed back.

If there is deception, I am unaware of it. but in the Composite: Sun, Venus, and Mars square Neptune. There is also Sun/Venus and Mars conj, Venus/Mars conj, and Sun in the 2nd house along with Mercury, Venus, and Mars. Moon is in the 12th(scary?)

Personal chart.
Mine:

Planet Sign Position House ​

The Moon Virgo 27°Vi33' 4th

The Sun Leo 13°Le25' 3rd
Mercury Virgo 8°Vi44' 4th
Venus Virgo 27°Vi43' 4th
Mars Leo 12°Le13' 3rd
Jupiter Libra 28°Li47' 5th
Saturn Taurus 21°Ta52' 12th
Uranus Libra 5°Li55' 5th
Neptune Scorpio 28°Sc07' 6th
Pluto Virgo 25°Vi39' 4th
The North Node Pisces 2°Pi49' 10th
The South Node Virgo 2°Vi49' 4th
The Part of Fortune Taurus 3°Ta21' 11th​

His:
Planet Sign Position House
The Moon Aries 4°Ar32' 7th
The Sun Libra 0°Li30' 1st
Mercury Libra 3°Li30' 1st
Venus Leo 16°Le37' 12th
Mars Virgo 25°Vi09' 1st
Jupiter Sagittarius 29°Sg47' 4th
Saturn Gemini 20°Ge31' 10th
Uranus Libra 17°Li33' 2nd
Neptune Sagittarius 2°Sg55' 3rd
Pluto Libra 1°Li50' 1st
The North Node Capricorn 23°Cp41' 5th
The South Node Cancer 23°Cn41' 11th
The Part of Fortune Pisces 10°Pi09' 6th​

Synastry Aspects:
Planet Aspect Planet Orb
The Moon Opposition The Moon 6°59'
The Moon Conjunction The Sun 2°57'
The Moon Conjunction Mercury 5°57'
The Moon Conjunction Mars 2°23'
The Moon Square Jupiter 2°14'
The Moon Square Saturn 7°02'
The Moon Conjunction Pluto 4°17'
The Moon Trine The North Node 3°51'
The Sun Conjunction Venus 3°11'
The Sun Trine Moon 8°53'
Mercury Opposition The Part of Fortune 1°24'
Venus Opposition The Moon 6°49'
Venus Conjunction The Sun 2°47'
Venus Conjunction Mercury 5°46'
Venus Conjunction Mars 2°33'
Venus Square Jupiter 2°03'
Venus Square Saturn 7°12'
Venus Conjunction Pluto 4°07'
Venus Trine The North Node 4°02'
Mars Trine The Moon 7°40'
Mars Conjunction Venus 4°23'
Jupiter Sextile Jupiter 0°59'
Saturn Square Venus 5°15'
Saturn Trine Mars 3°17'
Saturn Trine The North Node 1°49'
Saturn Sextile The South Node 1°49'
Uranus Opposition The Moon 1°22'
Uranus Conjunction The Sun 5°24'
Uranus Conjunction Mercury 2°25'
Uranus Conjunction Pluto 4°04'
Neptune Trine The Moon 6°25'
Neptune Sextile The Sun 2°23'
Neptune Sextile Mars 2°57'
Neptune Conjunction Neptune 4°47'
Neptune Trine The South Node 4°25'
Pluto Conjunction The Sun 4°51'
Pluto Conjunction Mars 0°29'
Pluto Square Jupiter 4°08'
Pluto Conjunction Pluto 6°11'
Pluto Trine The North Node 1°57'
Pluto Sextile The South Node 1°57'
The North Node Sextile Jupiter 3°02'
The North Node Square Neptune 0°05'
The North Node Conjunction The Part of Fortune 7°19'
The South Node Trine Jupiter 3°02'
The South Node Square Neptune 0°05'
The South Node Opposition The Part of Fortune 7°19'​

The Part of Fortune Trine Jupiter 3°34


I will try insert the chart. Again....

View attachment Composite for forum.pdf

View attachment Synastry for forum.pdf

No, you've only posted the aspects between and positions of the planets. The chart is the big circular thing that shows the Ascendant, followed by all 12 houses, with the planets positioned in the various houses. A natal chart is not just boxes and charts.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?...de=-Yn&mnode=-Ym&pfday=-YP+1&aspc=1&asp=1&ast=


http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?...de=-Yn&mnode=-Ym&pfday=-YP+1&aspc=1&asp=1&ast=

This is how to attach your charts. I've also removed the excessive aspect lines and reduced the orb to 80%, which is the upper bounds of the orb usually allowed for aspects.

utsa92, if you find that these charts expire here--the way I know how to attach them is:

1. pull up the chart you want at Astrodienst. Right-click on it to get just the chart and aspectarian.

2. click on it again, and save the picture to your computer--for example, "my pictures." If you don't like the code name it gives you for the chart, just change it to what you want.

3. When you want to post the chart here, hit "go advanced" below your message.

4. scroll down and hit "manage attachments."

5. In the new window that pops up, hit "browse." This will get you into your computer. When you find the chart you want, click on it, then click "open." You will see the code name for your chart to the left of the browse button.

6. Click on "upload." Wait a minute, and you will see a little attachment icon showing up.

7. Then go ahead when you are ready to post your message and hit "submit reply." Your chart will show up as a thumbnail. You can click on it to enlarge it for viewing.

There are other methods, but I use this one.

Oh, and BTW, consider how many aspect lines the human eye can really distinguish. Usually I would do just the planets so the chart is easier to read.

Happy posting!

6.

Thank you for "fixing" everything, you can so tell I am new.

The synastry, from what I have read, is pretty good ???????

What does moon in the 12th house of the composite mean? I read the Asc is what all see and the 12th house is the end of the relationship?????

utsa92 said:

Thank you for "fixing" everything, you can so tell I am new.

The synastry, from what I have read, is pretty good ???????

What does moon in the 12th house of the composite mean? I read the Asc is what all see and the 12th house is the end of the relationship?????

Click to expand...

Have you tried a free composite chart with explanations being 'interactive'
Composite charts
If you go to www.astro.com click on free horoscopes, go to Interactive horoscopes, go down to Astroclick partner, that will bring up a composite chart and when you put the mouse over a planet will bring up a pop up box with the interpretation......

But you do need both times of birth to be accurate though.. enjoy.

Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+composites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other. The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

“Composites have their own laws and energies, and these have nothing to do with whether we are "well matched" with someone. A composite in itself will not tell us about compatibility. That is what synastry is for. The composite won't reveal whether the relationship is "good" or "bad" in terms of the chemistry between two people. The composite says to us, "If you choose to enter this relationship, here is its meaning and pattern of destiny”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

“For example, the composite Ascendant can indicate the circumstances surrounding the first meeting or the beginning of the relationship. It can also point to how a couple initiates things together (such as projects). Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. As such, the conditions surrounding the planets and houses in the composite chart can show us different stages of development of the relationship over time.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html
click on link to read full article

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

“Composite charts that has ascendant and midheaven agree in element will most closely describe the type of the relationship your partnership has formed. For instance a relationship that has Taurus on the Ascendant and Capricorn on the Midheaven will closely describe a “traditional” relationship. Those charts that do not agree will keep the element of the ascendant as the primary relationship style while incorporating the element of the Midheaven into the relationship. An analysis of the individual’s chart against the composite chart will show how his or her chart meshes with the composite chart and the style of the relationship”
http://starrynightastrology.com/2009/08/02/relationship-astrology-making-love-last-part-1-your-relationship-style/

Re: relationships
theortically EJ has the right order but I would question the interpretations of composites and davision's cos some members here who specialises reads composites as if they were davison charts.

1) In composites I disregard planetary sign placements and instead focus on houses where the planets fall and on aspects. The composite Sun is the most important.
2) Aspects that occur in both natals and in the composite/davison will be psychological issues that need to be worked on in the relationship.
3) Aspects that occur in the composite but not in the natals are issues rising within the relationship that have not been dealt with before by either party.
4) In Davison the main difference is to look at sign placement, whilst ignore sign placement in the composite. Also look for sign strength and weakness, mutual reception, sole dispositors.
5) In both ‘composites’ and ‘Davisons’, look for midpoints that are conjoined by planets in either natal. In composites, these relationships seem to be referring to psychological issues, while in ‘Davidsons’, the midpoint relationships tend to refer to forces acting on the couple from outside the relationship.
6) Try putting your natal planets around the outside of either chart, to see who relates best to this relationship and who is gaining the most. This can be rather revealing
7) Also remember you can use transits over both these charts and again Angles are very sensitive points
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180956&postcount=11

Davison chart v Composite chart
“Important point! Both of these charts are for the two of you as a couple. They show things that will tend to happen in the relationship as well as how you act towards the outside world when you are together. They have no effect when you are apart”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/relationshipdavidson26.0.htm

Anything is possible, don't let astrology limit or define who or what you do!

that was a very informative post astrologer50 thanks for sharing that information!