your help pls: how do I appease Neptune?

Dear Gemini59, you truly are a gem in your input.
I resonated with a lot of points in your post. Yes, although it is far in strict orb from a square to my Moon it DOES activatemy 4/10 axon and indeed that is where all my drama lies in my daily life. (See post above re: P Venus in my 12th and the inadvertent sacrifice I'm making at home.)
Now, yes, Leo the 7th as the resolution point of the T-Square, I have had a VERY hard time getting along with ANYONE. Even people who used to like me have turned against me or let me down. New people have proved to be mental cases or cons. I am Really truly demoralized by my partnerships (or lack thereof). My dear Jup in Libra wants harmony and I am agonizing over these conflicts a lot!
Interesting to hear that you suggest that I take acting! I am actually intuitively drawn towards it although I have nothing to do with it in my "previous" life. It would be a completely new thing to try and one I wouldn't mind trying at all!

Thanks so much! Did I answer all your q?

Yes, regarding this P Merc in the 12th house, I have been having a strong interest in clinical psychology and seriously thinking of turning a new leaf in my career with this. BUT again I lack the structures (no money, no people to help, no resources to being with). Is it Saturn?

A50, sorry, I had in mind my P Jup!! ROFL! Yes, of course P Moon moves faster than P Jup and it will conjunct my natal MC in my lifetime, thank God!

Sorry, gem, I meant to quote you in my previous answer.
Unfortunately my 7th suffers a lot, i.e. it may be a call for people and support as you say but my partnerships do not work out. What to do?
About P Merc, I responded in a previous msg. Sorry for the haste; I wanted to respond while you are still online!

gemini59 said:

Creative and fifth house or Leo issues fits with the T-square creation of Neptune square natal moon/Neptune. It is also a call for more partnerships...people to help you.

Your mercury progression in the 12th does show an increase in interest in those who are shut in.

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If I go old school venus rules the 2nd house if we use modern Neptune rules the 2nd. As you can see your natal Neptune is challenged right now and has been for some time.

As it moves in to Pisces there may be some improvements as it is stronger in Pisces. Again since the Neptune energy is incorporated by sun/mercury though a challenge things should be better with less emphasis on neptune/moon.

I would follow your solar charts too and keep an eye on second house to see where things may manifest or opportunities may appear.

So one way or another, my 2nd house is ruled by Venus or a high octave of Venus. Nice! LOL My N Venus in Scorpio is a singleton but not very strong, right?
It gives me hopes to hear that when T Nept moves to Pisces (soon I hope?) things may improve. Maybe one of my various attempts at finding employment will work out at last.
I need your help about my solar charts. I may be good with natal, transits, progressions, but I never seriously looked into solar arcs. Do you want me to post a solar arc chart from astro? Just let me know.
Do you think Uranus in my 2nd trining my Sun (exact in Nov) might be lucky for my 2nd house?

gemini59 said:

If I go old school venus rules the 2nd house if we use modern Neptune rules the 2nd. As you can see your natal Neptune is challenged right now and has been for some time.

As it moves in to Pisces there may be some improvements as it is stronger in Pisces. Again since the Neptune energy is incorporated by sun/mercury though a challenge things should be better with less emphasis on neptune/moon.

I would follow your solar charts too and keep an eye on second house to see where things may manifest or opportunities may appear.

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suimui10 said:

Yes, regarding this P Merc in the 12th house, I have been having a strong interest in clinical psychology and seriously thinking of turning a new leaf in my career with this. BUT again I lack the structures (no money, no people to help, no resources to being with). Is it Saturn?

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maybe when t jupiter gets to your natal moon next year you will be overjoyed with something poss connected to mother and/or house move espec when Jupiter conj IC/home roots..

Re: T Neptune square natal moon. this I feel has passed but again it's sacrifices for mother/family/home roots and confused domestic circumstances..

when I had T Neptune conj Asc 1' Aquarius I did change my appearance slightly for a few months. did you do anything like this?
Noel Tyl has a rather bleak response to this transit and calls it 'wipeout' and for me it did. It broke all my family connections. secrets 12th kept hidden, unaware, unpredictable sudden came out of the closet for an airing, into the open. I was more shocked, disgusted with my family and my father's Will - buy hey let's no go there. Maybe it's the family thing with you going over Asc?

suimui10 said:

So one way or another, my 2nd house is ruled by Venus or a high octave of Venus. Nice! LOL My N Venus in Scorpio is a singleton but not very strong, right? [NO venus is not a singleton. it has to be only planet in an element, fire, earth, air, water or modality, cardinal,fixed mutable]
It gives me hopes to hear that when T Nept moves to Pisces (soon I hope?) things may improve. Maybe one of my various attempts at finding employment will work out at last.
I need your help about my solar charts. I may be good with natal, transits, progressions, but I never seriously looked into solar arcs. Do you want me to post a solar arc chart from astro? Just let me know.
Do you think Uranus in my 2nd trining my Sun (exact in Nov) might be lucky for my 2nd house?

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yes, with a caveat, it's also conj chiron, sudden wounds, disruptions, surprises

Venus is the *lower octave* of neptune

why not post your chart with solar arcs. I love solar arcs.
Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

when your prog mars gets to 18' conj North Node (2nd house Equal) it will active self worth, how you earn your money, self esteem, beliefs, values etc. so make a note

astrologer50 said:

maybe when t jupiter gets to your natal moon next year you will be overjoyed with something poss connected to mother and/or house move espec when Jupiter conj IC/home roots..

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Ah, yes this is upcoming, good to remember as something good coming up in the future. Although right now I can't get another month in the current circumstances let alone another whole year...

when I had T Neptune conj Asc 1' Aquarius I did change my appearance slightly for a few months. did you do anything like this?
Noel Tyl has a rather bleak response to this transit and calls it 'wipeout' and for me it did. It broke all my family connections. secrets 12th kept hidden, unaware, unpredictable sudden came out of the closet for an airing, into the open. I was more shocked, disgusted with my family and my father's Will - buy hey let's no go there. Maybe it's the family thing with you going over Asc?

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I don't remember changing of appearance when T Nept first passed through my ASC. Oh wait, yes, I had lost a lot of weight and it also perked up my Mars in the 1st and I ended up seriously in Martial Arts.
As for the shock and disgust from the square to my IC and home, oh yes... I'm completely disillusioned about my family. You can say this again! It's one of the reasons my desire to leave here is so strong.
Great points!

Hmm, I read your responses.

It does appear that the T-square energy did manifest in a negative way to 7th house Leo.

Remember that the T-square is an opportunity to resolve disparate energy of natal challenges. so this transit would have awakened age old inner demons. Moon=emotions, home, mother versus neptune=dreams, visions, doubt. Taurus is practical and scorpio is psychological. Aquarius is air humanitarianism.

I am not the best on this...I hope I can give you some clue. The good news is that this t-square energy is passing. You noted that the transit is not exact but this slow moving transit evolves and triggers may not be exact. The retrograde is passing or reawakening some of what has really past.

In regard to neptune in the first and the polarity point. Neptune is about dissillusionment...the down side of it, its negative point. Remember that we can make choices in how we see things. Neptune in Aquarius is either about disillusionment connected to humanity or it is about seeing it in an intellectual larger view. It is what it is but it does not change our hope for evolution.

OK, I thought by my calculations (and according to how singletons are defined) Venus *is* a singleton in my chart. Now you make me doubt it so I will check this out again.

Thanks for encouraging me to post my solar arcs. I will follow your links for help.

A question: when do you see P Mars coming to a conj to my NN?

Thanks!

astrologer50 said:

yes, with a caveat, it's also conj chiron, sudden wounds, disruptions, surprises

Venus is the *lower octave* of neptune

why not post your chart with solar arcs. I love solar arcs.
Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

when your prog mars gets to 18' conj North Node (2nd house Equal) it will active self worth, how you earn your money, self esteem, beliefs, values etc. so make a note

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I actually meant solar returns but I also watch solar arcs.

I bet there will not be any surprises on your solar arcs. They are generally really easy to read. Though I do have SA-Uranus on my 7th right now and I can't read that at all..I guess that is no surprise with Uranus:;

gemini59 said:

I actually meant solar returns but I also watch solar arcs.

I bet there will not be any surprises on your solar arcs. They are generally really easy to read. Though I do have SA-Uranus on my 7th right now and I can't read that at all..I guess that is no surprise with Uranus:;

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Oh I see! LOL Sorry, reading too fast for my own good.
Isn't it a bit early for my SR? My birthday is in Nov, hmm, maybe not that early...
And LOL about Uranus..... I keep hoping that he will shake his booty before too late in my 2nd house as I definitely need a surprise there! (Things are so bad there that there is very little chance of a bad surprise in that sector anymore!!)

suimui10 said:

OK, I thought by my calculations (and according to how singletons are defined) Venus *is* a singleton in my chart. Now you make me doubt it so I will check this out again.

Thanks for encouraging me to post my solar arcs. I will follow your links for help.

A question: when do you see P Mars coming to a conj to my NN?

Thanks!

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easiest and quickest is to use an ephemeris, day for a year, count from your birthday to when it gets to N Node. check that year on astro.com and there you have it....

http://www.khaldea.com/ephemcenter.shtml

here is my favourite online ephmeris which plots where the planets are for hundreds of years...

In regard to neptune in the first and the polarity point. Neptune is about dissillusionment...the down side of it, its negative point. Remember that we can make choices in how we see things. Neptune in Aquarius is either about disillusionment connected to humanity or it is about seeing it in an intellectual larger view. It is what it is but it does not change our hope for evolution

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trust me when it's crossing your Asc there is nothing intellectual it's ALL very personal

OK you guys asked for my SR chart.
I have Leo rising and the Sun in the SR 4th house (10th natal house).
SR Neptune is in the SR 7th house.
Any thoughts?

It looks like your solar return for this upcoming year focuses on 1st and 7th house with Leo rising.

Your solar 2nd house is where 7th and 8th natal sit. Thus your income this year is connected to partnerships and loans or 8th house issues.

With the 2nd house ruler in the 4th house which seems to have a lot of activity. And it holds your ego. or sun.

Thus it appears that your income this coming year is connected to family.

If we use the traditional ruler of the 2nd, venus we see a similar message. venus combines with Saturn in the solar on the 4th cusp. Money and responsibility rests in the 4th house of endings, family of origin.

it is in trine to Neptune as well as chiron....these aspects are not repeat connections from natal so it is simply a notation not a natal lesson per se.

But neptune to venus does paint a rosy picture and we do see a repeat pattern of Saturn to neptune theme connected to Transiting saturn to natal neptune.

So we might be able to say that the saturn transit theme is played out through the family and loved ones (venus).

A third notation is that your natal Saturn is the most visible planet in the solar chart and in fact if we put it in the solar chart it is conjunct the MC indicating that the issues, aspects and transits to saturn are going to be the most prominent theme this coming year. Note that third house natal and 10th solar combine energy.

Saturn key words are responsibility, teaching, seriousness, depression, the elderly, father, authority.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, gemini. It makes sense except for the part where you seem to be referring to a "saturn transit". Can you explain which transit ou are referring to?

The only good news is that Saturn is associated with teaching in your list of keywords.
This actually resonates with me as I'm a Uni prof by degree. However, finding steady employment in this area has been like hitting my head on a wall.

Hi, I've had Neptune square my 28 degree Scorpio Mars for awhile which was a very messed up time in my life, then when Neptune entered Pisces things eased up majorly. Now Neptune's retrograded back into Aquarius and is squaring my Mars again. It's also squaring my 10th house Chiron which natally opposes Mars. Add to that Uranus is squaring my natal Neptune and Chiron is sextiling it.

I'm in Neptune land!

Normally I'm a very grounded and solid individual.

But a week ago I had to go to Accident and Emergency at the local hospital a week ago because I had a psychotic episode where I was hearing voices and was convinced there was some kind of surveillance on me. That lasted about a week and was probably the most challenging time in my life. The voices were distortions of conversations I could hear outside, I thought people had installed thermo-imaging cameras all over my appartment and were watching my every move.

It was a combination of intense synchronicity, co-incidences spiraling out of control, paranoia, internal issues etc.

I'm over that now though having almost completely regained my sanity without any medication although I still hear the occasional voice narrating what I'm doing. I guess that's Neptune in Aquarius' way of making you more public community focused (Aquarius). Squaring Scorpio (private, secretive) the psychosis must have been tension of that energy externalized as voices and the paranoia of being watched and judged by society (Aqua) for every subtle-internal reaction I had to any external thing.

The end result though is that I'm becoming more open, less selfish and more interested in the values of society and harmonizing myself with them. Still have a way to go, but wow... Neptune.

As I write this, Beyonce has come on TV is singing "It can be a sweet dream or a beautiful nightmare"... which is very typical of this time. Everything outside seems to be a reflection of your internal state and thoughts. The key is to make sure you are what you want reality to reflect.