Kenoshamaensa
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First, I realize I've not been around in ages. RL intervened.
But I wanted to ask about various members' personal experience with either of these two aspects. I've read a lot of general reviews, including (of course) Hand's, but I'm really interested in how these affected YOU. Please include ruling houses for the moon.
I am finding that both of them are kicking my *ss, if in different ways. First, let me say I am NOT by nature either a depressive person or a drama queen. Rather dislike those things. In my natal chart I have a Saturn-Moon sextile, which has always made me rather even-tempered. I've always been the "reliable" friend, "sensible."
But of late, that's just ... off the table. Now to be fair, I went though a divorce 5 years ago. Not a "bad" divorce by many criteria, but that may be worse. "Nice"-but-not-desired divorces have their own freight. I didn't want it; he did. All my anger was circumvented. I wasn't "allowed" to be angry in the same way nasty divorces can allow. OTOH, that's probably BETTER for our shared son. But psychologically, I know enough to realize it undermines my own resentments and angers. So I sacrifice my feelings for peace and my son. This is not only necessary, it's the responsible choice. I'm the grown-up here. Being a parent means making such choices. (And both I and the ex- are Libras ... ha, but we both ALSO have Ares moons ... yes, a weirdp-similar odd good-bad mix.)
ANYway, I give this as background, because it fits into the SATURN discussion.
Saturn in my BIRTHCHART is as much positive as negative. I don't dislike Saturn. It's exalted in Aquarius, sits on my rising sign (from the 12th, but acting as first), and while it does have some negatives, in my birthchart, I regard it more as a positive. It grounds and centers me, gives me ambition (despite my so-called "flighty" Pisces rising), and organizational skills. I LIKE Saturn.
In my birthchart.
In TRANSIT ...?
... whole 'nother matter.
There are two planets that frequently WORRY me in major transits: Pluto and Saturn. Mars agitates, but I can usually control it. Pluto upsets EVERYthing, and Saturn ... manifests very, very concretely in terms of "endings" or "breakage."
I've broken my (right) ankle TWICE with major Saturn transits ... the first time Saturn OVER my Pisces Rising ASC. Ah ... could that get MORE literal? Bones? Limitations? Pisces = feet? Asc = body? It's like a textbook. Another Saturn transit later caused a second break -- same d*mn ankle.
Saturn is also the marker for my divorce.
Now that sucker is going to go over my 2nd house Moon (ruling 5th house Cancer).
I'm not sure WHAT to make of that. OTOH, I am 46, soon to be 47. I'm hitting MENOPAUSE. I did some quick Google searches about this transit and menopause and didn't get much. But it seems to me that would be a CLASSIC literal reading (like the first ankle breakage). Saturn opposition the Moon, which rules my fifth house of procreation/children. Yes, although I have only one child, I'm actually rather *fertile*, and have had to worry about that.
SO I'm really wondering if any other (female) members have had similar stories of Saturn-Moon hard aspects heralding menopause? Or male members who know of such examples? 47 is sorta the "classic" age at which menopause truly begins.
But I'm also concerned about other concrete manifestations. Moon in the second house of (among other things) resources and finances ... opposed by limiting Saturn in the 8th. I am the SOLE breadwinner of my little "family." If I lose my job/income I'm f'ed. Now, I'm a professor, with tenure, so my job is fairly secure, but in the current economic environment, NOTHING is "secure." Furthermore, unexpected things happen. I could suffer some ailment (to the female organs?) and have to go on disability ... like, say, ovarian cancer. As an American Indian, cancer isn't endemic to my family, but again, who knows? I lost a colleague only a few years ago to breast cancer. She was in her mid-30s with a daughter barely 2. I hate being paranoid, but -- again -- Saturn transits tend to have really concrete manifestations in my life. Saturn quincunx asc. and hitting Venus (conj), with a square to asc/disc earlier with problems first manifested? Yup .. DIVORCE. Saturn through my 7th house? Can't get a date no matter what!
So yes, I'm worried about the physical manifestations, but also emotional. As stated earlier, I am an emotional rudder. I'm not emo, I'm not a drama queen, and I can't STAND these things.
But. I've been struggling increasingly with depression, and I know enough about psych (have a degree in it) to know what it is. I don't know if this is hormones, or what. But I am NOT suicidal by nature ... and I've spent nights considering it in an emotional tailspin. (No, not enough to actually DO it -- I know when to call a crisis line -- but to a degree that isn't NORMAL.)
That brings me to the T-NEPTUNE conj. N. Saturn. This is ALSO called a depressive transit. "The Dark Night of the Soul."
And BOTH these transits are going to be hitting me TOGETHER. One has started and the other will start in December. I'm TERRIFIED. I can't handle more depression. I really can't. I can't handle more things going wrong in my life. So far, I can't count GOOD things that happen to me, just THINGS THAT DON'T GO TERRIBLY WRONG. You know what keeps me going? The fact I have a teenaged son and responsibility to him, as well as responsibility to my students, the fact killing myself would kill my father, and the fact "things could be worse." But all that is just a reason not to die (yet). It's not a reason to live.
I can't take another hit. I really can't. I feel like that camel waiting for that "straw" that will break her back. I have to run a major regional conference next year. It's known to be hell, and I can't get out of it. I fear it will drive me over the age, but I can't "quit" or refuse it. That's not an option. I have to do it. And the Saturn-Moon opposition will hit RIGHT in the middle of the WORST of the work.
I fear I'm just not going to be able to take it all. Nothing in my future holds any promise. It's just "degrees of bad."
But I wanted to ask about various members' personal experience with either of these two aspects. I've read a lot of general reviews, including (of course) Hand's, but I'm really interested in how these affected YOU. Please include ruling houses for the moon.
I am finding that both of them are kicking my *ss, if in different ways. First, let me say I am NOT by nature either a depressive person or a drama queen. Rather dislike those things. In my natal chart I have a Saturn-Moon sextile, which has always made me rather even-tempered. I've always been the "reliable" friend, "sensible."
But of late, that's just ... off the table. Now to be fair, I went though a divorce 5 years ago. Not a "bad" divorce by many criteria, but that may be worse. "Nice"-but-not-desired divorces have their own freight. I didn't want it; he did. All my anger was circumvented. I wasn't "allowed" to be angry in the same way nasty divorces can allow. OTOH, that's probably BETTER for our shared son. But psychologically, I know enough to realize it undermines my own resentments and angers. So I sacrifice my feelings for peace and my son. This is not only necessary, it's the responsible choice. I'm the grown-up here. Being a parent means making such choices. (And both I and the ex- are Libras ... ha, but we both ALSO have Ares moons ... yes, a weirdp-similar odd good-bad mix.)
ANYway, I give this as background, because it fits into the SATURN discussion.
Saturn in my BIRTHCHART is as much positive as negative. I don't dislike Saturn. It's exalted in Aquarius, sits on my rising sign (from the 12th, but acting as first), and while it does have some negatives, in my birthchart, I regard it more as a positive. It grounds and centers me, gives me ambition (despite my so-called "flighty" Pisces rising), and organizational skills. I LIKE Saturn.
In my birthchart.
In TRANSIT ...?
... whole 'nother matter.
There are two planets that frequently WORRY me in major transits: Pluto and Saturn. Mars agitates, but I can usually control it. Pluto upsets EVERYthing, and Saturn ... manifests very, very concretely in terms of "endings" or "breakage."
I've broken my (right) ankle TWICE with major Saturn transits ... the first time Saturn OVER my Pisces Rising ASC. Ah ... could that get MORE literal? Bones? Limitations? Pisces = feet? Asc = body? It's like a textbook. Another Saturn transit later caused a second break -- same d*mn ankle.
Saturn is also the marker for my divorce.
Now that sucker is going to go over my 2nd house Moon (ruling 5th house Cancer).
I'm not sure WHAT to make of that. OTOH, I am 46, soon to be 47. I'm hitting MENOPAUSE. I did some quick Google searches about this transit and menopause and didn't get much. But it seems to me that would be a CLASSIC literal reading (like the first ankle breakage). Saturn opposition the Moon, which rules my fifth house of procreation/children. Yes, although I have only one child, I'm actually rather *fertile*, and have had to worry about that.
SO I'm really wondering if any other (female) members have had similar stories of Saturn-Moon hard aspects heralding menopause? Or male members who know of such examples? 47 is sorta the "classic" age at which menopause truly begins.
But I'm also concerned about other concrete manifestations. Moon in the second house of (among other things) resources and finances ... opposed by limiting Saturn in the 8th. I am the SOLE breadwinner of my little "family." If I lose my job/income I'm f'ed. Now, I'm a professor, with tenure, so my job is fairly secure, but in the current economic environment, NOTHING is "secure." Furthermore, unexpected things happen. I could suffer some ailment (to the female organs?) and have to go on disability ... like, say, ovarian cancer. As an American Indian, cancer isn't endemic to my family, but again, who knows? I lost a colleague only a few years ago to breast cancer. She was in her mid-30s with a daughter barely 2. I hate being paranoid, but -- again -- Saturn transits tend to have really concrete manifestations in my life. Saturn quincunx asc. and hitting Venus (conj), with a square to asc/disc earlier with problems first manifested? Yup .. DIVORCE. Saturn through my 7th house? Can't get a date no matter what!
So yes, I'm worried about the physical manifestations, but also emotional. As stated earlier, I am an emotional rudder. I'm not emo, I'm not a drama queen, and I can't STAND these things.
But. I've been struggling increasingly with depression, and I know enough about psych (have a degree in it) to know what it is. I don't know if this is hormones, or what. But I am NOT suicidal by nature ... and I've spent nights considering it in an emotional tailspin. (No, not enough to actually DO it -- I know when to call a crisis line -- but to a degree that isn't NORMAL.)
That brings me to the T-NEPTUNE conj. N. Saturn. This is ALSO called a depressive transit. "The Dark Night of the Soul."
And BOTH these transits are going to be hitting me TOGETHER. One has started and the other will start in December. I'm TERRIFIED. I can't handle more depression. I really can't. I can't handle more things going wrong in my life. So far, I can't count GOOD things that happen to me, just THINGS THAT DON'T GO TERRIBLY WRONG. You know what keeps me going? The fact I have a teenaged son and responsibility to him, as well as responsibility to my students, the fact killing myself would kill my father, and the fact "things could be worse." But all that is just a reason not to die (yet). It's not a reason to live.
I can't take another hit. I really can't. I feel like that camel waiting for that "straw" that will break her back. I have to run a major regional conference next year. It's known to be hell, and I can't get out of it. I fear it will drive me over the age, but I can't "quit" or refuse it. That's not an option. I have to do it. And the Saturn-Moon opposition will hit RIGHT in the middle of the WORST of the work.
I fear I'm just not going to be able to take it all. Nothing in my future holds any promise. It's just "degrees of bad."
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