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Abraham Lincoln was one of the most influential figures in the American history, and the connection is shown in the comparison of Lincoln's astrology and the US.

Lincoln had the "US astrological degrees".

Abrahm's 3rd harmonic Sun/Asc conjunct in Saggitarius 10° conjunct = US Asc 8° ( SUN/ASC= US/Asc= 8).

And Abraham has The axis of Leo/Aquarius
I talked about prominent. He had Natal Sun/and Asc in 23 aquarius and He had harmonic Moon conjunct the combination. NT SUN/ASC= 23 AQUARIUS CONJUNCT 12HARMONIC MOON=24 AQUARIUS. ALL OF THIS COMBO IS INTERCEPTED with US NATAL MOON AND HARMONIC MOON OPPOSITE HARMONIC NODE.

His Natal vertex conjunct the Harmonic US SUN. And he had Harmonic Sun/Asc opposite Natal cancer sun US.
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USA horoscope, rectified: Ascendant 9 Scorpio.

Progressive aspects:

12-Dec-2017 021°,18'16 Leo C--2 60 Mars
17-Dec-2017 008°,26'19 Sagittarius Moon 30 Asc
22-Dec-2017 000°,55'50 Aquarius Desc * DABIH (SAT - VENUS )
29-Dec-2017 008°,50'14 Sagittarius Moon * RASTABAN (SAT - VENUS )

1-Jan-2018 008°,55'16 Sagittarius Moon 180 Ura
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I continue to maintain that the USA has a mid-Libra ascendant. Look at what is going on, and my previous research.
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The United States of America = number 99.

I rectified the USA horoscope of Marc H. Penfield and published it in a book.

USA ascendant: 8.26.19 Scorpio.



Radix van: USA Geb.uur : 14h,20m12s0
Plaats : PHILADELPHIA Tijdsoort: 05h,00m39s
Breedte : +39°,56'56,0 G.M.T. : 19h,20m51s
Lengte : -75°,09'00,0 E.T. : 19h,21m07s
Datum : 4-7-1776 S.T. : 09h,13m39s,511
Dag : Thursday Tabeldag : 15 / 9 / 1775
Delta-T = 15,5811 seconden JD = 2369916,30632617 T = -1,2348718322746068

Progressive aspects and some transits:


27-Nov-1941 005°,08'00 Sagittarius Sun 135 Chiron transit

27-Nov-1941 024°,14'57 Taurus Sat 60 Merc transit

27-Nov-1941 005°,41'17 Leo Plu 45 Pars transit

5-Dec-1941 017°,58'20 Taurus Asc 45 Ven
9-Dec-1941 023°,17'52 Cancer Jup 45 mutual Ura
10-Dec-1941 029°,42'57 Aquarius Moon 90 AR07
10-Dec-1941 027°,32'50 Taurus Ura 120 Plu transit

10-Dec-1941 016°,07'19 Gemini Jup 120 C-12 transit

11-Dec-1941 015°,56'57 Gemini Jup 60 MC transit
12-Dec-1941 029°,48'13 Aquarius Moon 135 Sat

2-May-1945 022°,25'13 Taurus Asc 120 Nep
5-May-1945 028°,12'57 Aquarius C-11 135 Sun
5-May-1945 +22°,48'38 Sat // Sun transit
6-May-1945 +02°,11'45 Moon // mutual C-12
9-May-1945 007°,20'29 Cancer Sat 150 C--2 transit

11-May-1945 001°,36'15 Aquarius MC * OCULUS (SAT - VENUS )
16-May-1945 +02°,20'25 Moon // mutual Nep
17-May-1945 018°,44'03 Gemini C--2 * CAPELLA (MARS - MERC )
24-May-1945 018°,45'09 Gemini C--2 90 C-11
29-May-1945 000°,55'50 Aquarius Ven * DABIH (SAT - VENUS )
29-May-1945 001°,39'06 Libra Mars 120 mutual MC

2-Jun-1945 018°,45'09 Aries Moon 150 C-11
3-Jun-1945 018°,46'39 Aries Moon 60 OND C--2
4-Jun-1945 018°,49'18 Aries Moon * BATEN KAITOS (SAT - )

7-Jul-1945 020°,08'00 Aries Moon 0 Chiron
19-Jul-1945 001°,42'56 Libra Mars * ZANIAH (MERC - VENUS )
20-Jul-1945 -21°,44'34 Ven # Ura
20-Jul-1945 016°,07'19 Cancer Sat 90 C-12 transit

20-Jul-1945 023°,26'19 Virgo Jup 45 Asc transit

22-Jul-1945 020°,41'17 Aries Moon 60 Pars
22-Jul-1945 001°,06'57 Aquarius Ven 90 mutual Sat
23-Jul-1945 +03°,31'10 Jup # Sat transit

24-Jul-1945 015°,56'57 Gemini Ura 60 MC transit

24-Jul-1945 +23°,33'45 Plu // Mars transit

25-Jul-1945 024°,14'57 Virgo Jup 60 Merc transit

26-Jul-1945 009°,39'16 Leo Plu 60 AR05 transit

26-Jul-1945 016°,56'16 Cancer Sat 135 AR11 transit

27-Jul-1945 016°,07'19 Gemini Ura 120 C-12 transit

29-Jul-1945 001°,08'16 Aquarius Ven 90 AR08
29-Jul-1945 +23°,31'46 Plu // Ven transit


6-Aug-1945 021°,18'16 Aries Moon 60 Mars
7-Aug-1945 +02°,20'24 Nep // mutual C-12
8-Aug-1945 +03°,31'10 Moon # Sat
9-Aug-1945 028°,41'45 Sagittarius Sun 150 mutual Drac
12-Aug-1945 027°,32'50 Virgo Jup 120 Plu transit

15-Aug-1945 005°,54'53 Aries C-12 90 Jup
16-Aug-1945 +21°,44'34 Sat // Ura transit

19-Aug-1945 +22°,48'38 Ura // Sun transit
25-Aug-1945 022°,01'45 Aries Moon 120 mutual Merc

2-Sep-1945 022°,20'29 Aries Moon 135 C—2
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I continue to maintain that the USA has a mid-Libra ascendant. Look at what is going on, and my previous research.
You may be right, the sun in Cancer Midheaven on July 4, 1776 when the USA became independent (the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia), the noon time ascendant is in Libra, but not so sure if it's in the middle (10-19').
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North Korea Draconis 8 Scorpio is square USA Draconis 8 Leo.

North Korea Pars Frt. 11 Cancer is conjunct USA C-9 11 Cancer.

North Korea Pluto 16 Leo is conjunct USA MC 16 Leo.

North Korea Jupiter 21 Sagittarius is opposite USA Pars Frt. 21 Gemini in Eight House.

North Korea Sun 17 Virgo is conjunct Kim Jong Un Ascendant 17 Virgo and 30 degrees USA C-12 17 Libra.
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Re: USA charts - the ultimate debate

Question:

When does the US become independent?

A. When the first shots were fired...19 April 1775

B. Upon signing of the Declaration of Independence...c.f.4 July 1776

C. At the inauguration of Washington...30 April 1789

Please choose A, B, or C and explain your reasoning. Thanks.

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Question:

When does the US become independent?

A. When the first shots were fired...19 April 1775

B. Upon signing of the Declaration of Independence...c.f.4 July 1776

C. At the inauguration of Washington...30 April 1789

Please choose A, B, or C and explain your reasoning. Thanks.
In constitutional affairs, an official state becomes and/or is recognized as a country if there is black on white paper or in other words the formulation of an official file [Declaration of Independence] for the approval of the formation of a country. So, in my opinion the answer is B
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In constitutional affairs, an official state becomes and/or is recognized as a country if there is black on white paper or in other words the formulation of an official file [Declaration of Independence] for the approval of the formation of a country. So, in my opinion the answer is B

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The year 2022 features the Pluto return, coupled with Neptune's opposition to itself. [USA, Sibly chart]

What do you foresee for 2022?
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Question:

When does the US become independent?

A. When the first shots were fired...19 April 1775

B. Upon signing of the Declaration of Independence...c.f.4 July 1776

C. At the inauguration of Washington...30 April 1789

Please choose A, B, or C and explain your reasoning. Thanks.
I forgot one.

June 21, 1788
New Hampshire ratifies the Constitution...."D"

Golly. I am taken aback by the lack of interest.

We could also submit to consideration the ratification of the Articles of Confederation, 15 November 1777.

So here's a brief history:

The Battle of Lexington opens hostilities.

The Declaration of Independence informs the world of the reasons for our break with King George and says that we "are, and of a right ought to be, free and independent states." (NB: the plural "states", not "state"). Further, our independence was not yet assured; it first required blood sacrifice. And more, the Declaration does not establish any form of government.

With the Articles we have a formalized system of government, but by 1786 this proves unworkable.

So we devised our present Constitution and shortly after ratification by the ninth state, Washington is installed as president.

Sooo....
Which of these five acts constitutes a free and unified country (political body?)

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Given that the U.S. is such a war-like nation, I'd go with A.
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Thank you.
Mr. starling (a cursed illegal immigrant bird) votes for the Battle of Lexington (the shot heard round the world) because the US is such a warlike country.

So the horoscope of the US should be set for 19 April 1775, Lexington, Mass. in early afternoon. A more accurate time is available.
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Mr. starling (a cursed illegal immigrant bird) votes for the Battle of Lexington (the shot heard round the world) because the US is such a warlike country.

So the horoscope of the US should be set for 19 April 1775, Lexington, Mass. in early afternoon. A more accurate time is available.
No more illegal than the rest of the European immigrants!
What's the Asc?

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Mr. starling (a cursed illegal immigrant bird) votes for the Battle of Lexington (the shot heard round the world) because the US is such a warlike country.

So the horoscope of the US should be set for 19 April 1775, Lexington, Mass. in early afternoon. A more accurate time is available.
I'm sorry to hear of this, david starling, as for I thought I gave a convincing argument as to why a chart cast for July 4, 1776 at 12:00:01 a.m. in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, [the "Zero Hour" chart, as I have titled it] is the true natal chart for the U.S.A., or perhaps you haven't read it?

it's a pity, if you have or not...either way... imho.

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I'm sorry to hear of this, david starling, as for I thought I gave a convincing argument as to why a chart cast for July 4, 1776 at 12:00:01 a.m. in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, [the "Zero Hour" chart, as I have titled it] is the true natal chart for the U.S.A., or perhaps you haven't read it?

it's a pity, if you have or not...either way... imho.

Just sayin'
Hey, there were only 3 choices available! So, tell me, why IS the U.S. so warlike, based on the 4th of July Chart? And money-hungry, like that's all that matters?
Btw, I was expecting you to join in.

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Around the time this thread was created, Monk was convinced the Signing on July 4th was Electional, using Egyptian astrology, by the Masonic Order.
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Around the time this thread was created, Monk was convinced the Signing on July 4th was Electional, using Egyptian astrology, by the Masonic Order.
So what does that mean, ds?
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Electional means the date and time of signing were chosen , by astrological methods, in advance. It's a branch of astrology.
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Hey, there were only 3 choices available! So, tell me, why IS the U.S. so warlike, based on the 4th of July Chart? And money-hungry, like that's all that matters?
Btw, I was expecting you to join in.
I've avoided it as I have no further need to wonder, myself, as for having concluded what the date, time, and location the chart should be cast for by the technique of analysis through the use of the "Sabian Symbols" produced by Marc Edmond Jones through his choice of a medium, Miss Elsie Wheeler, and as presented, interpreted, and defined by the preeminently qualified, Dane Rudhyar ...and for the reason of the subsequent three accurate predictions I have made since then, by using that chart. In addition to, that I did initiate and post a thread in presentation of the chart I produced and gave a rather thorough presentation, at that.
I felt that if there was any further debate that I'd just be wasting my time trying to convince those that were not, or will not be, convinced...and you know what some folks have to say about trying to win hearts and, or, minds[?]... and that is, "No matter what" evidence you might show them, or, "No matter what" you might say... ...you know ... don'tcha?

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Electional means the date and time of signing were chosen , by astrological methods, in advance. It's a branch of astrology.
Are you answering me greybread?

If so, thanks and I understand about "Electional", however I don't know if it's true about david's claim pertaining "Monk was convinced the Signing on July 4th was Electional, using Egyptian astrology, by the Masonic Order".

Is it a fact?

We don't want to transmit another fallacy to our knowledge.
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I don't know about the statement' T or F.
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Electional means the date and time of signing were chosen , by astrological methods, in advance.

It's a branch of astrology.
While Americans celebrate independence on the 4th of July
the crucial vote for independence was cast two days earlier

On 2 July 1776, the United Colonies of America
officially
became the United States of America.
John Adams thought July 2 would be celebrated by future generations of Americans
when he wrote to his wife Abigail Adams:

"The second day of July, 1776
will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America.
I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations
as the great anniversary festival.
It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance
by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.
It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games
sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations
from one end of this continent to the other
from this time forward forever more."






BEHIND THE SCENES Benjamin Franklin was a member of the committee that drafted the Declaration of Independence.
He was a master astrologer.

He and Thomas Jefferson, another all-around philosophical and scientific genius
conspired to have the Declaration of Independence

adopted on July 4
rather than on July 2, the date urged by John Adams.

THE RIGHT TIME
On July 2, the Moon was in its weakest sign, Capricorn
where it would oppose the Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter in Cancer
—absolutely detrimental timing.


On July 4, the full Moon was safely resting in Aquarius
well out of opposition to the Sun
—and the rest is history.


For many years, astrologers have heatedly debated
on the time the Declaration of Independence was signed

According to the Philadelphia Historical Society
"the Declaration was graced with its first signature at approximately five o’clock in the afternoon
after which the members all went off to dine."

THE TWO MOST COMMON CHARTS USED BY ASTROLOGERS
are set at 4:50 p.m. with an 8° Sagittarius Ascendant
and at 5:10 p.m. which places the Ascendant at 12° Sagittarius.
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Oh I understand now, why ds says about Monk was convinced the Signing on July 4th was Electional, using Egyptian astrology, by the Masonic Order.

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