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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

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From what i have seen from my friends who have Neptune Conjunct their ASC is that they can be very alluring, sympathetic, intuitive(and sometimes physic) people who don't see themselves clearly. In other words, how people view them and their personality traits are completely different than how they view themselves. A tendency to play the martyr can be there too.
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Wow that would explain a lot... BOTH my parents have Neptune Conjunct ASC.

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Hey Neptune Rising, I was wondering if you think that people with prominent Neptunes have a slowness to them: they spend more time doing nothing compared to others. They seem to need more time just to take in and process things that happen to them.

Whereas other people seem to live life quite fast and in the moment, Neptunians are quite exhausted if they do this for too long, as their psyche needs to catch up and process all of their new experiences. I think this is a good thing, as often ignoring this need to process can wear people down and make them stressed.
yes, this is very typical I think. I have a friend she has Neptune on asc and really fits with this description

she is also very positive example of Neptunian energies. While younger she was very sensitive to outside influences and energies, and it drained her a lot, she was unable to cope. As she grew more mature and stronger, after turning 30, she is now very well capable of protecting herself(Capricorn Sun) but still has great feel for people, reading others on spot, and to the core. I've witnessed this several times, she has very strong intuition and is never wrong when judging a caracter of a person or detecting fears in someone - never makes a mistake.
She is also a magnificent artist, she makes these naive dreamy-like drawings of angels and dreams - sleeping figures, that have great power on the viewer cause they are so pure and true, yet so undeliberate or planned.
Since she is a very close friend she has told me many of her dreams that were life changing by the degree of insightfulness in them, be it talking to a dead ancestors or angels, very spiritualistic at core.
Life was not easy for her, but the key for her positive Neptune traits are her willingness to accept and not resist any pains or change, and stay true to herself. She is one of the most sincere and genuine people I know. Seriously, nothing bad can be said about her. Except too naive perhaps, if that is a fault. But somehow it always seems some higher power is protecting her pureness.
Ever since I saw this thread I wanted to write about her, only now I managed to do it coherent enough, I think. When I think of highest Neptune potential I always think of her
so, no, I don't agree - Neptune isn't always bad
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

Thanks Hermetic, that was a lovely post. I agree that Neptune when it is good, can be beautiful.

I think when I said malefic, I really meant that more often than not, the planet ends up acting in a negative way. I know all planets are energies neither for good or ill, it depends on what people do with the energy. But in practice, when one experiences certain trends in astrology, I think it says alot about human nature, that we in general find it difficult to deal with Saturn's energies, or Mar's, but find it much easier to handle Venus. So while in theory they are all equal, the human condition means we are doomed to find some planets more challenging than others. I think Neptune is one of these planets. Men and women are not able to handle her energies positively and the ones that can are special indeed.
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

I remember reading in an old astrology book, that Neptune wasn't malefic in the sense that Pluto, etc were. It tended to bring dread, fear, or worry, rather than have a causitive affect like the other malefics. It was hard to pin down as a transit because its fog rolled in and rolled out. I have moon conj neptune in 1H, and I can let myself float mentally into a foggy space, then pull myself out again. I also blame it for my sleepwalking.
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

Neptune is glamour, illusion, allure and fantasy.
It is art, the artist, the abstract and muse.
Its inspiration before action.

It is all that is real because we believe that its real.
It is unproven "fact".

Its Santa Claus, Disney magic, make-up, the Wonderbra, Barbie and Hollywood (+ fake profile pics).
It entices and provokes.
And its sad when these "facts" are shattered.

PS: I love my Saggitarian Neptune in the 12th. I respect it and let it keep its secrets.

Neptune is my lipgloss, my self tanning lotion and blow dryer.
Its the song that I sing that sounds good (in my head).
Its the breeze that hides the sun's burn.

Its words (like these) that evades the issue.

Neptune is the song the Siren sings.
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

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I have never seen a chart where Neptune really manifests itself positively.

It always seems to confuse, alienate, isolate, and scandalise things. People turn to escapism, do not achieve their potential etc. Forget artistic inspiration. People who really seem talented in the arts all seem to have Jupiter, Venus or Pluto issues, and Pluto is the planet that sees the truth and touches the universal consciousness. I would think that these are the qualities of good art. Forget spiritualism. I have only seen Neptune manifest itself in pointless martyrdom and self loathing. Real spiritualism I have seen in Jupiter with its compassion, or Uranus with its humanitarianism. Spiritualism is not completely passive as Neptune seems to suggest.

So I think Neptune is a false prophet. From an age that thought it had mastered the world and science, only to be dumbfounded by Pluto and the Bomb.

Anyone with me?
Lets rephrase Neptune into "wherever you have your greatest regrets" does that help?

Neptune in 1st or conj Asc have heard they may have problems walking or with their feet in childhood. My son his this and he kept tripping over his feet whilst learning to walk, took him docs, sent to hospital.... all ok. Just grew out of it...
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

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Yes, that is what it is...neptune is at the end of the sign.If I use the equal house system Neptune is with in 1 degree of the cusp of the 8th but still in the 7th...I will have to think about it? I am not sure how Neptune would manifest as being in the 8th ...will explore. thanks
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"Hence sacrificing my own personal private life and to an extent even risking it for the betterment of the people. "

That is not the CV of a politician, LOL. Or maybe I'm too much of an English cynic.

I'm interested that some have had good Neptunes, but I get the impression a good Neptune is simply a weak Neptune, although the 4th house one described doesn't seem half bad.

I'm not sure if all the outer planets can be seen as malefics as they are not focused on outward success. Firstly I thought the outer planets were all about outward success when related to social development. Unless that's not what outward success means. Even if the first point is erred, I've always thought Uranus and Pluto can be strong driving forces behind all sorts of personal achievements, or can pretty much lead to something.

I guess the thing that annoys me is that Neptune has always been a disappointment in every chart I've seen, which is a shame. Maybe it is by nature diffuse and doesn't lend itself to study in the same way as other planets, but maybe that in itself is a bad thing as it is too uncertain? It tends to lead to the opposite of catharsis, it just leads to nothing really.
This is quite interesting. In learning about the so called malefics, a term i doent like to use, I have come to the conclusion that the outer planets all have a lesson for us to learn. With neptune escapism is strong. Do we really want to live in a world without imagination, fantasy or illusion. These things arent bad unless we are unable to differentiate them from reality. In my chart I have no air, I often escape inside my own head. I need to. Life is so serious for me, I cant detatch so i need to remove myself so thank goodness for neptune. Even in an absence of airy detatchment neptune is there to give us breathing space. If it werent for the neptunian influence many great things would never have come about. Music and theatre have alot to thank neptune for. Alice Cooper, David Bowie, PeteTownsend, Cat Stevens, Stevie Wonder, Mary Angelou, Carl Sandburg, Auguste Renoir, Simone de Beauvoir, Angela Lansbury, Humphrey Bogart, Greta Garbo all have neptune rising. Neptune equips us with empathy and compassion which are often is short supply these days. Neptunes lessons are to learn to discern, develope our own minds, to develope empathy and understanding, to get in touch with our inner self, to have a reality check, to learn the boundries of neptunian influences. A world without the neptunian influence would be a cold hard serious place with no time for daydreaming.
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

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Neptune is glamour, illusion, allure and fantasy.
It is art, the artist, the abstract and muse.
Its inspiration before action.

It is all that is real because we believe that its real.
It is unproven "fact".

Its Santa Claus, Disney magic, make-up, the Wonderbra, Barbie and Hollywood (+ fake profile pics).
It entices and provokes.
And its sad when these "facts" are shattered.

PS: I love my Saggitarian Neptune in the 12th. I respect it and let it keep its secrets.

Neptune is my lipgloss, my self tanning lotion and blow dryer.
Its the song that I sing that sounds good (in my head).
Its the breeze that hides the sun's burn.

Its words (like these) that evades the issue.

Neptune is the song the Siren sings.
OHHH i so love this. Well put
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Thanks. I was just thinking about where you could see Neptune's influence and it was everywhere. Breath mints, Virtual reality (the internet), perfume, advertising, I even think color is Neptunian.
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I even think color is Neptunian.
I thought the Neptunian world was only rose-tinted ...
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It is so funny that I was talking about my yucky Neptune in your Asteroid Fun thread and Here I am again saying my Neptune has been both good and bad...It is my chart ruler (Pisces rising) my only other Water element is my Neptune in Scorpio 9th house. When I was younger the only thing I wanted was to finish college. I joined the military to get the college money and I have never finished..It was something forcefully removed from me (too long of a story) I eventually embraced a higher more spiritual path but I am always challenged by Neptunian yuckiness.I do not live or move like others and I have to learn to be ok with me..I mentioned in the other thread that my Neptune is inovolved in Two yods It being one of the Focal planets. I would love to learn how to be a fan of this planet..
I am also a HUGE fan of Liz Greene and can rip thru her books so easily..Yet her Neptune book...Nope ..I bought it two years ago and I am only half way thru it.LOL
I have to add an admission here....I have also done my fair share of alcohol and drugs to escape. In the 80's ,name your drug I injested it.

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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

Hey Rogue and Carrie

I found your views on Neptune interesting. I was reading an article the other day about the difference between imagination and fantasy, the latter being negative as it has no boundaries. The way Tolkein was upset by the fact that people started dressing up as Lord of the Rings characters and started speaking elvish, and forming cults and adopting elvish customs. He thought they had blurred the boundaries between literature to be admired, and fantasy to be avoided.

I'm not sure what Neptune's lesson is. I thought compassion or empathy was Pluto's lesson- to use all that power for the right reason. And I've always thought escapism was always bad, but then maybe you mean escapism in a broader sense- everyone needs to switch off, but better to switch to imagination than to fantasy. Anyway, that's two lessons there, I guess Pluto is the first, and Neptune the second?
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

. A world without the neptunian influence would be a cold hard serious place with no time for daydreaming.
Quoted from Rogue_Red

I had to think for a while before I wrote.....
For this Neptune/ Pisces Rising person the World is disgusting and not only Cold and Harsh but extremely hard to live in...If i didn't believe in Reincarnation and the hope of finding love I would have offed myself a LONG time ago. In fact Reincarnation is the only thing that stopped me from taking the whole bottle of Valium in 1997.
Lets look at Neptune afflicted, My chart Ruler Neptune is also the highest planet found in my chart in the ninth it is involved in two yods they involve my luminaries Sun and Moon I MUST include Pluto in the Mix because Sun and Pluto are 22 Virgo only 19 minutes away from one another Pluto Lords my life( you can throw Uranus in but not as close as Pluto)..Back to Neptune I was born to Two alcoholic people both with such severe personality disorders they had no right to have children they were so cruel.Mom is sober dad still isn't (he has been drinking since my birth in 68 and I am sure before that). What is interesting about my Mom is her Chart Has NO water and I have her correct birth time. With my Pluto I was given the Scapegoat role in the Alcoholic Family I was labelled bad from the time my sister started walking I was around age 2(sis is the GOOD one). With my moon Neptune inconjunct I manifested a severe eating disorder in my teens just to give myself some control over my life. I repeatedly found myself involved with Narcissitic Evil people who used me as their emotional whipping board.My Ex husband is perfect example. My beauty was destroyed My most beautiful asset my smile (Saturn in Aries) destroyed. I suffered from an Immune disease that destroyed my life for a while. Until i learned to heal it.
The point I was getting at is that if it were not for daydreaming a better life would I have survived the abuse.IDk.I daydreamed my way to better health. Since I don't do drugs any more or alcohol Daydreaming is all I have and If I don't get my daily fix (by walking) it isn't a good day. I try to get daydreaming time before I go to sleep but I get so caught up I don't sleep.LOL I am a daydream junkie. I need an intervention.
I have ALWAYS had the struggle of not playing the victim...I have been a victim of really ugly cruel ppl and Self realization and therapy are vital in my recovery from Victimhood and wanting revenge on my abusers.
For the more practical people I run into constantly....They find me odd and unrealistic and on and on ....(that may be Uranus/Sun)
I can see where you would equate Compassion and Empathy with Pluto because for me its biggest lesson and challenge I have is Forgiveness.
Daydreaming is a problem when it becomes a form of escape like drugs and alcohol.I have no drugs or alcohol to combat the UGLY UGLY world I am constantly faced with. So I have to have my daydreaming...And it can and has been a problem at times.
If it were not for my children and current Hubby I would beg for someone to BEAM me up, because I would really like to jump ship and let all these practical crazy people have their planet. With their ugly ugly wars and Warrior spirits.I want a softer more loving one.....
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

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Hey Rogue and Carrie

I found your views on Neptune interesting. I was reading an article the other day about the difference between imagination and fantasy, the latter being negative as it has no boundaries. The way Tolkein was upset by the fact that people started dressing up as Lord of the Rings characters and started speaking elvish, and forming cults and adopting elvish customs. He thought they had blurred the boundaries between literature to be admired, and fantasy to be avoided.

I'm not sure what Neptune's lesson is. I thought compassion or empathy was Pluto's lesson- to use all that power for the right reason. And I've always thought escapism was always bad, but then maybe you mean escapism in a broader sense- everyone needs to switch off, but better to switch to imagination than to fantasy. Anyway, that's two lessons there, I guess Pluto is the first, and Neptune the second?
Ive just had a recent run-in with neptune so im not liking it much atm. Neptunes lessons lie in the difference between imagination and fantasy. Or as I would prefer to call it fantasy and illusion. To me fantasy is created by us as a safe place to foster dreams. Illusion is where fantasy moves beyond our control stealing our grip on reality. Neptune gives us the gift of fantasy/imagination but with every gift comes responsibility (remember Gremlins?). Fantasy and imagination that have been allowed free reign become illusions which are extremely dangerous. Interestingly enough transiting neptune was within orb to conjunct my moon when I met my now ex husband. Our marriage ended not long after t neptune moved out of orb. My marriage was full of deceit fantasy addiction escapism and illusion. Just recently t venus conjuncted t nept with both squaring natal neptune and boy did i get a reality check. My ex recently broke up with his partner and came to me for support which i gave. Unfortunately I failed to keep my feet grounded and allowed my fantasy about us getting back together to become an illusion even though I know we are no good together. I started to interpret little nuances as "come ons", reading too much into things he said allowing myself to become deluded. Recently he has started talking about reconciling with his ex...cue wake up call. I suddenly realised what I had done to myself. With transiting mars squared natal chiron this little delusion really stung when it was broken. The lesson is if looks like a frog and croaks like a frog then stop deluding yourself that its actually a prince.
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

Neptune is the higher octave of Venus.

Thats why for it being beneficial, the person has to be on the higher octave too.

Otherwise Neptune would be like Using 2000 wolts for ordinary bulb,
it would not work ... and Neptune would work as malefic.
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I was under the belief that Jupiter is the Higher octave of Venus...where did you find this information TIA
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I have Neptune as chart ruler conjunct Mars exactly in Libra in the 8th. I have always suffered self esteem problems but thought that belonged elsewhere but now you have me thinking. True that Neptune can undermine anything it touches but it is also compassion, rehabilitation and indiscriminate aid. It lends glamour and mystery also magic. How we handle it depends on the other aspects, which chart and which sign it occupies.
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I was under the belief that Jupiter is the Higher octave of Venus...where did you find this information TIA
It is my belief that Neptune is the higher octave of Venus. Unconditional love. JUpiter is probably the higher octave of Mercury.......just my thoughts.
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Thanks. I was just thinking about where you could see Neptune's influence and it was everywhere. Breath mints, Virtual reality (the internet), perfume, advertising, I even think color is Neptunian.
Colour therapy is Neptunian, yes. Photography yes. Neptune is glamour and illusion so colour plays a part especially to obfuscate and hide, such as camourflage.
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I thought the Neptunian world was only rose-tinted ...
Rose tinted glasses which suggest they can be taken off and reality hits.
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I think Neptune can be very good for compassion. I know a man who has this magic ability to heal animals. He could go near a dog known for its violence and turn it into the sweetest pup around. He had a strong Neptune, with Venus trine Neptune for one.
Neptune's abilities can be very hard to manifest here on Earth, but when brought out, they can bring miracles.
I agree that Neptune has to touch the personal planets for us to use it, recognise it and manage it in the real world.
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I have Neptune in the 8th Libra conjunct Mars and Venus. I feel that although the 8th signifies orgasm I am not sure of actual conception. You may be right. It is also my chart ruler.

scenario: Inheritance due to secret sexual relationship with one who has passed on.

scenario: abstinence from sex due to higher spiritual values and major disappointment or contracting of life threatening infectious disease
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Re: Is Neptune a Malefic?

Thanks for expressing your perspective, as I have only known people who have lived the negative, unhealthy side of the Neptune/Asc. conjunction, namely confused, self-deluded, self-pitying, sensitive only to themselves but not others, playing the martyr (you get the picture!).

So, I am quite relieved to know that there are in fact people who are living the higher vibration of Neptune!

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I guess it can be difficult to fathom when there is a prominent Neptune. I have Neptune conjunct North Node in Sagitaruis conjunct Ascendant (12th house side). My life path doesn't seem as clear as other people I know, but I am drawn to yoga/healing/massage/spirituality very much. I think it gives psychic or sensitiveness which can get too much if not grounded. Things like meditation and other inner work help balance the more uncomfortable aspects of Neptune. A goal though for me with N Node/Neptune/Asc conjunct is to teach about the spirituality that I have learned. I have also had direct experience with the more addictive/illusionary/escapist dark side of Neptune, as well as experience through people that I know. So maybe the experience with Neptune's dark side can help to grow and add to the 'light' side...

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I was under the belief that Jupiter is the Higher octave of Venus...
Uranus is higher octave of Mercury

Neptune higher octave of Venus

Pluto higher octave of Mars
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