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Some new updates again

1) Harmonics chart calculator (with option for 1-360 harmonic numbers)
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/harmonics-astrology-harmonic-horoscope-chart-calculator

2) Calculator works also with Sidereal zodiac and traditional graphics - for example:
Navamsa 9th Harmoninc chart (Lahiri ayanamsa):
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/navamsa-9-harmonic-chart-astrology-calculator
thanks for adding these new options and updates kaktuzz
available nowhere else online for free
and all for FREE on your website!

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thanks for adding these new options and updates kaktuzz
available nowhere else online for free
and all for FREE on your website!
Thank you JUPITERASC!

Btw I have one silly question

I noticed, that house cusps aren't important (they aren't taken into account) in harmonics charts (ASC & MC only matter)

1) is it "better" to use "no houses" in these Harmonics charts(?)
= to start the chart with 0 Aries on the left and just place ASC and MC wherever they fall(?)
(astro.com does this):
https://i.imgur.com/DAwH3Lh.gif

2) or is it visually(?) better to start the chart with ASC on the left and use whole sign houses from ASC?
https://i.imgur.com/475rYA6.png
(I pre-set this second option for now, because I did it recently for Dwadamsa D12 chart; but I'm not sure if it's possible/convenient also for Harmonics charts?)
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Thank you JUPITERASC!

Btw I have one silly question

I noticed, that house cusps aren't important (they aren't taken into account) in harmonics charts (ASC & MC only matter)

1) is it "better" to use "no houses" in these Harmonics charts(?)
= to start the chart with 0 Aries on the left and just place ASC and MC wherever they fall(?)
(astro.com does this):
https://i.imgur.com/DAwH3Lh.gif

2) or is it visually(?) better to start the chart with ASC on the left and use whole sign houses from ASC?
https://i.imgur.com/475rYA6.png
(I pre-set this second option for now, because I did it recently for Dwadamsa D12 chart; but I'm not sure if it's possible/convenient also for Harmonics charts?)
Since you say houses are not important for Harmonics charts
then no need to use them - but others may have other opinions
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Hello, some update again

2) There is a new Personal Transit Calendar
It might be useful for checking the current time-lord and it's annual aspects:

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/personal-transits-online-astrology-calendar
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Hi kaktuzz
I use Rumen Kolevs software which calculates parans
checking whether that option is do-able with your free software?
Paranatellonta are stars or star groups that fall upon angles
at the same time that a significant constellation or planet is also upon the angles.

They are viewed as attendants.

In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations that ascended
with the zodiacal decans.
In modern astrology the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta)
is generally used to describe
stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC.
For example, the parans of Mercury would be those stars or planets
that were rising, culminating, descending of located upon the IC
at the same time that Mercury is in any or those positions.
Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven as Mercury rises on the ascendant
it is referred to as a paran of Mercury
and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.https://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/paran.html
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Hi kaktuzz
I use Rumen Kolevs software which calculates parans
checking whether that option is do-able with your free software?
Paranatellonta are stars or star groups that fall upon angles
at the same time that a significant constellation or planet is also upon the angles.

They are viewed as attendants.

In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations that ascended
with the zodiacal decans.
In modern astrology the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta)
is generally used to describe
stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC.
For example, the parans of Mercury would be those stars or planets
that were rising, culminating, descending of located upon the IC
at the same time that Mercury is in any or those positions.
Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven as Mercury rises on the ascendant
it is referred to as a paran of Mercury
and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.https://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/paran.html
Hi JUPITERASC,

thanks for new inspiration!

I still haven't implemented fixed starts on Astro-seek and it's still waiting on my todo list (so it's not do-able currently) ... but once I finally implement some major fixed stars, then I think that this calculation should be pretty do-able

I have just 2 technical/silly questions:

1) ...stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC...
does it also work for planet & planet (and is it useful?) ... or is it mostly used with fixed star & planet in traditional astrology?

2) are you interested in calculation, which just checks your natal chart and tell you, if paran(s) is here or not?
- or are you rather interested in some "paran clock calculator"? I found this article http://ambientastrology.com/articles...ry-parans.html
and there is this "paran clock" nice tool. (I'm thinking how to do that )
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Hi JUPITERASC,

thanks for new inspiration!

I still haven't implemented fixed starts on Astro-seek and it's still waiting on my todo list (so it's not do-able currently) ... but once I finally implement some major fixed stars, then I think that this calculation should be pretty do-able

I have just 2 technical/silly questions:

1) ...stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC...
does it also work for planet & planet (and is it useful?) ... or is it mostly used with fixed star & planet in traditional astrology?

2) are you interested in calculation, which just checks your natal chart and tell you, if paran(s) is here or not?
- or are you rather interested in some "paran clock calculator"? I found this article http://ambientastrology.com/articles...ry-parans.html
and there is this "paran clock" nice tool. (I'm thinking how to do that )
Hello Kaktuzz and thank you for your prompt reply
Actually Jupiter's question was initiated by our mini discussion with Jupiter on the significance of Paranatellonta in horary specifically.
So let me give you some more information...in horary many traditional astrologers treat also outer planets , such as uranus, pluto, neptune as fixed stars, meaning that we ignore them unless they are right on a relevant house cusp or in immediate aspect with one of the main significators( a degree or so ..)
So we are concerned only with conjunction..as also with fixed stars.And this is why parans could be useful to check also these cases...as in the examples you uploaded ..so more or less these conjunctions with fixed stars or outer planets, provide us a shorthand answer, that is already well shown by the seven traditional planets ...it's another testimony relevant to the specific context.

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Hello Kaktuzz and thank you for your prompt reply
Actually Jupiter's question was initiated by our mini discussion with Jupiter on the significance of Paranatellonta in horary specifically.
So let me give you some more information


...in horary many traditional astrologers

treat also outer planets , such as uranus, pluto, neptune as fixed stars,


Aria Venue so far as traditional astrology calculator by kaktuzz is concerned
kaktuzz traditional calculator is strictly Traditional

and

outers, along with millions of asteroids
are completely irrelevant
not only that, but so far as horary is concerned
horary is firmly based on the principle of LIGHT
the outers cannot and do not TRANSLATE LIGHT
the outers cannot and do not COLLECT LIGHT
hence irrelevance of the outers to traditional astrology

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meaning that we ignore them
unless they are right on a relevant house cusp
or in immediate aspect
with one of the main significators( a degree or so ..)
that is incorrect
on kaktuzz TRADITIONAL calculator

WE IGNORE THEM COMPLETELY
this thread is on our Traditional board
and so
one is advised to read the rules of our traditional board thoroughly
those rules clearly state as follows:
PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING ON THIS BOARD
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=120411
'.....This is the Traditional Astrology forum. Out of all the different boards in this forum
this one is the home for traditional astrologers.
It was created so that traditional astrologers can discuss traditional astrology with each other
without having to justify it to non-traditionalists
or be interrupted by people disagreeing with traditional perspectives.
Traditional astrologers, welcome home!

If you are not a traditional astrologer

you are welcome as a guest.
Good guests respect the rules of the house.
In this house, the main rule is
that all posts must stick to traditional astrology only.
make sure that everything you post here is strictly traditional.
If your post is not traditional
it belongs on one of our other boards, not here.
Your post is not traditional if it includes any of the following:
- Pluto, Neptune, or Uranus.

Planets discovered with the telescope are not used in traditional astrology.
If your post treats any of them as astrological planets
it belongs in either Modern Astrology
or any of the other boards.
If you want to post to ask why traditional astrologers don't use those planets
do so anywhere but this board or Modern Astrology
or search the other boards for an existing discussion on that.
It is not respectful to come into someone's house
and demand why they don't do things your way...'
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So we are concerned only with conjunction
..as also with fixed stars.
.
that is a misleading comment
because
outers are irrelevant on our traditional board
so
attempting to sneak in the outers
by comparison with Fixed Stars
won't work
It's ludicrous to compare celestial objects known as invisible modern outers
which cast no light - hence invisible
- with brilliant suns aka Fxed Stars casting LIGHT THAT
OUTSHINES OUR OWN PUNY SUN despite being multiple LIGHT YEARS DISTANT
TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY is not concerned with "outers conjunctions"
particularly traditional horary which specifically is relevant for SHORT TIME SPANS
outers travel so slowly it is ridiculous to even consider them for horary
even if they were visible
which they are not
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Sorry my dear Jupiterasc that i mentioned outer's use in horary as fixed stars in this thread , since is strictly traditional.I just wanted to give kaktuzz background infromation related to our former discussion on parans .I dont disagree with the aforementioned, still there are traditional astrologers who use and treat outers in horary as fixed stars under specific occasions as i previously mentioned and their use is more or less metaphorical.That's all
So if my comment in this particular thread is considered inappropriate to the main rules of this section, then i have no problem deleting it
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Sorry my dear Jupiterasc that i mentioned outer's use in horary
as fixed stars in this thread , since is strictly traditional.
well it's simply that our traditional board has rules
and those rules are very clear
not many members read these rules before posting
which is why we then have these long discussions as a consequence

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I just wanted to give kaktuzz background infromation
related to our former discussion on parans .
we did discuss parans to Fixed Stars
very interesting discussion we had as well
and thank you for that Aria Venue
parans to FIXED STARS is indisputably ancient astrology, traditional

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I dont disagree with the aforementioned, still there are traditional astrologers
who use and treat outers in horary as fixed stars
it is simply not credible for traditional astrologers to use outers in horary
especially 'as fixed stars'
because of the reasons I already highlighted which you do not dispute
William Lilly for example is not on record as using parans to outers for horary
therefore these so-called traditional astrologers
are not traditional at all
even if some mistakenly think that they are

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under specific occasions as i previously mentioned
and their use is more or less metaphorical. That's all
in that case use a traditional metaphor for traditional astrology practice
and not some invisible celestial objects that cast no light
- hence invisible and also NEITHER TRANSLATE LIGHT NOR COLLECT LIGHT
so a non-starter for horary
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So if my comment in this particular thread
is considered inappropriate to the main rules of this section, then
i have no problem deleting it
on the contrary
your comments all discuss also parans to fixed stars Aria Venue
AND IT IS PARANS TO FIXED STARS
that I have requested kaktuzz to investigate as a possibility
for his brilliant free software options on astroseek-com
a remarkable website that offer completely FREE software
that is extremely accurate
and would cost large sums of money usually to buy
I have PARANS TO FIXED STARS software already
I use Rumen Kolevs http://www.babylonianastrology.com/
specifically PORPHYRIUS MAGUS http://www.babylonianastrology.com/i...mart&Itemid=54
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And this is why parans could be useful to check also these cases
...as in the examples you uploaded
..so more or less these conjunctions with fixed stars or outer planets, provide us a shorthand answer
that is already well shown by the seven traditional planets
...it's another testimony relevant to the specific context.
PARANS TO FIXED STARS is my request to kaktuzz
as a useful option for TRADITIONAL calculator
because as i already stated outers are irrelevant traditionally
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Hi JUPITERASC,

thanks for new inspiration!

I still haven't implemented fixed starts on Astro-seek
and it's still waiting on my todo list (so it's not do-able currently)
... but once I finally implement some major fixed stars, then
I think that this calculation should be pretty do-able
That's good news kaktuzz - thank you
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I have just 2 technical/silly questions:

1) ...stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC...
does it also work for planet & planet (and is it useful?)
... or is it mostly used with fixed star & planet in traditional astrology?
traditional astrology parans is FIXED STARS and PLANET




for SIDEREAL option calculator option
consider the following
PRIMER OF SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY available on amazon Cyril Fagan states:
When two or more planets are simultaneously on the same , adjacent or opposite angles
they are said to be in paranatellonta.
This is the most powerful of all configurations.
Natal planets may enjoy no mutual zodiacal aspect
but may be in paranatellonta at certain times of the day.
To find whether planets are in this formation
the student is then referred to
another section of Cyril Fagans Primer On Sidereal Astrology.

Such configurations are particularly important
when they fall on the angles of a return map
whether cast for the birthplace or for the place of residence.
A change of residence can alter the formation of paranatellonta.
keep in mind that
ancient astronomers/astrologers correlated their astrological sight/work
mainly by OBSERVATIONAL ASTRONOMY.
i.e.
as long as the astronomer/astrologer knew by sight
where the heavenly bodies rose, culminated, and set
and they did know these angles
they could easily see when a Paran formation was occurring
and correlated this formation was the most potent astrological configuration.

Rumen Kolev is an observational astrologer
very few practice observational astrology
most rely on software programs
'...One day a specialized computer program
solely devoted to Paran configurations will happen...'
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2) are you interested in calculation, which just checks your natal chart
and tell you, if paran(s) is here or not?
correct - checks natal and tells whether one of the seven TRADITIONAL planets
such as Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn
has PARANS TO FIXED STARS
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- or are you rather interested in some "paran clock calculator"?
I found this article http://ambientastrology.com/articles...ry-parans.html
and there is this "paran clock" nice tool
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PARAN CLOCK CALCULATOR - sounds good kaktuzz
however my original request
is for FIXED STAR PARANS to any of the seven TRADITIONAL planets
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PARAN CLOCK CALCULATOR - sounds good kaktuzz
however my original request
is for FIXED STAR PARANS to any of the seven TRADITIONAL planets
Hi JUPITERASC,

thanks for clear explanations. I think that I understand now


I have just one last question - which fixed stars are mostly used in TA?

I think, that I'm able to implement max cca 10fixed stars with PRECISE JPL ephemeris.
I would have to download and import about 109500 ephemeris 00:00[UT] records for each fixed star (every day from 1800-01-01 to 2100-01-01) ... so it would be quite boring job

A) If those cca 10 fixed stars are sufficient in TA(?), I could do it this way.

B) If there are more fixed stars used in TA(?), I could do it in more simple way (but not so accurate).
I could use the exact position of 100-200 fixed stars during several reference date(s) (for example: 01-Jan-1980; 01-Jan-1990; 01-Jan-2000; 01-Jan-2010); and then recalculate/adjust these positions by the rate of precession to get the position for any other date:
1 per 72 years, or 0.838′ per year
https://astrologyking.com/fixed-stars/
It will not be that super accurate as option A); but it could be more do-able way how to work with lots and lots of various fixed stars.
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Hi JUPITERASC,

thanks for clear explanations. I think that I understand now


I have just one last question - which fixed stars are mostly used in TA?

I think, that I'm able to implement max cca 10fixed stars with PRECISE JPL ephemeris.
I would have to download and import about 109500 ephemeris 00:00[UT] records for each fixed star (every day from 1800-01-01 to 2100-01-01) ... so it would be quite boring job

A) If those cca 10 fixed stars are sufficient in TA(?), I could do it this way.

B) If there are more fixed stars used in TA(?), I could do it in more simple way (but not so accurate).
I could use the exact position of 100-200 fixed stars during several reference date(s) (for example: 01-Jan-1980; 01-Jan-1990; 01-Jan-2000; 01-Jan-2010); and then recalculate/adjust these positions by the rate of precession to get the position for any other date:
1 per 72 years, or 0.838′ per year

https://astrologyking.com/fixed-stars/
It will not be that super accurate as option A); but it could be more do-able way how to work with lots and lots of various fixed stars.
Definitely Sirius kaktuzz
and

Spica

Antares
Aldebaran
Regulus

https://www.constellationsofwords.com/Fixedstars.htmv
has the most reliable information online on Fixed Stars
also most comprehensive listing of Fixed Stars

Algol is popular due to its dramatic connotations
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Definitely Sirius kaktuzz
and

Spica

Antares
Aldebaran
Regulus

https://www.constellationsofwords.com/Fixedstars.htmv
has the most reliable information online on Fixed Stars
also most comprehensive listing of Fixed Stars

Algol is popular due to its dramatic connotations
Hi JUPITERASC,

thanks for the link to constellationsofwords.com - very useful website.

I spent last few days by digging into this website and NASA ephemeris ... and finally implemented and launched new "Calendar of 286 Fixed Stars 1800-2100" on astro-seek
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/fixed-stars-astrology-online-calculator

There are various filters and options;
- displaying just Alpha (α) Stars;
- displaying just Beta (β) Stars;
- displaying just Gamma (γ) Stars; etc ....

- displaying all 286 stars at once;
- displaying just Behenian 15 Useful stars:
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/behenian-fixed-stars-astrology

and there are various sorting option:
- by longitude degree;
- by magnitude;
- by declination;
- by star name;
- by constellation;
- by latitude;

Calendar includes every year from 1800-2100; and longitude is displayed in both Tropical and also Sidereal zodiac (with various Ayanamsas, including Aldebaran 15Tau )


Detail of any Fixed Star:
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/astrology-fixed-star-regulus
displays some basic info and "Current longitude" and "Current declination"; + there is a list of all values (Long/Decl/Latitude/RA) during every decade 1800-2100 (1800/1810/1820/1830/ ... 2080/2090/2100...)


I guess that I finally have all necessary fixed star data (Longitude/Declination/Magnitude) ... and so I can start playing with those parans
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Hi JUPITERASC,

thanks for the link to constellationsofwords.com - very useful website.

I spent last few days by digging into this website and NASA ephemeris ... and finally implemented and launched new "Calendar of 286 Fixed Stars 1800-2100" on astro-seek
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/fixed-stars-astrology-online-calculator

There are various filters and options;
- displaying just Alpha (α) Stars;
- displaying just Beta (β) Stars;
- displaying just Gamma (γ) Stars; etc ....

- displaying all 286 stars at once;
- displaying just Behenian 15 Useful stars:
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/behenian-fixed-stars-astrology

and there are various sorting option:
- by longitude degree;
- by magnitude;
- by declination;
- by star name;
- by constellation;
- by latitude;

Calendar includes every year from 1800-2100; and longitude is displayed in both Tropical and also Sidereal zodiac (with various Ayanamsas, including Aldebaran 15Tau )


Detail of any Fixed Star:
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/astrology-fixed-star-regulus
displays some basic info and "Current longitude" and "Current declination"; + there is a list of all values (Long/Decl/Latitude/RA) during every decade 1800-2100 (1800/1810/1820/1830/ ... 2080/2090/2100...)


I guess that I finally have all necessary fixed star data (Longitude/Declination/Magnitude) ... and so I can start playing with those parans
kaktuzz you're a star - thank you
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kaktuzz you're a star - thank you
You are welcome!

I have 2 questions ... just for sure:


When two or more planets are simultaneously on THE SAME, adjacent or opposite angles
they are said to be in paranatellonta.


1) does it mean, that it counts also for conjunction of the planet & star & angle?
(=planets are in conjunction and also in paranatellonta)



2) what about orbs? I've read an older topic, where dr.farr metioned this:

I use the following orbs (of longtitude, and of parallel in declination), based on star magnitudes:
1st mag = 3 degree orb; 2 degree orb of parallel
2nd mag & 3rd mag = 2 degree orb; 1.5 degree orb of parallel
4th & 5th mag = 1 degree orb; 1 degree orb of parallel


Can I use this settings as default? Or do you have any other suggestion about orbs?


I'm sending my tropical chart, where:
https://i.imgur.com/wmpgHgc.gif
- Jupiter Sag 819' conjuncts IC Sag 530' (249'orb)
- Jupiter Sag 819' conjuncts Antares Sag 932' (113' orb)
- Antares Sag 932' "conjuncts"(?) IC Sag 530' (358'orb)


What about this situation? I suppose that Antares and IC are "out of the allowed orb", so there is no paranatellonta between Jupiter and Antares?
(and if the orb would be tighter <3 => would it be paranatellonta?)
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Oh, what a nice chart you have kaktuzz. Cheers!
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You are welcome!

I have 2 questions ... just for sure:


When two or more planets are simultaneously on THE SAME, adjacent or opposite angles
they are said to be in paranatellonta.


1) does it mean, that it counts also for conjunction of the planet & star & angle?
(=planets are in conjunction and also in paranatellonta)



2) what about orbs? I've read an older topic, where dr.farr metioned this:

I use the following orbs (of longtitude, and of parallel in declination), based on star magnitudes:
1st mag = 3 degree orb; 2 degree orb of parallel
2nd mag & 3rd mag = 2 degree orb; 1.5 degree orb of parallel
4th & 5th mag = 1 degree orb; 1 degree orb of parallel


Can I use this settings as default? Or do you have any other suggestion about orbs?


I'm sending my tropical chart, where:
https://i.imgur.com/wmpgHgc.gif
- Jupiter Sag 819' conjuncts IC Sag 530' (249'orb)
- Jupiter Sag 819' conjuncts Antares Sag 932' (113' orb)
- Antares Sag 932' "conjuncts"(?) IC Sag 530' (358'orb)


What about this situation? I suppose that Antares and IC are "out of the allowed orb", so there is no paranatellonta between Jupiter and Antares?
(and if the orb would be tighter <3 => would it be paranatellonta?)
The following information on parans is from Robert Hand's Essays On Astrology page 65 to 66
........my personal encounter with parantellonta, or parans as they are called.
These are simultaneous bodily transits of two or more bodies over the horizon
or meridian circles of a given place at the same time.
However, it must be pointed out that a paran-related pair of planets
does not have to be actually on the angles at a given time to be in paran.
They merely have to be potentially capable of transiting the angles at that latitude
at some time during the day
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PARANS .... cont
with the possible except of the Moon, because of its rapid motion in the zodiac
all bodies that are in paran will transit the angles simultaneously
somewhere within the twenty-four hours of their being in an exact potential relationship.

Primer of Sidereal Astrology CYRIL FAGAN and in various articles appearing in American Astrology magazine
provides some more data via A.H. Blackwell of New York.
......it became obvious that PARANS were extremely important
and had a significance at least equal to conventional aspects

Parans are not simply another name for mundane squares, oppositions, and conjunctions.
Mundane aspects such as these
refer to actual relationships in the mundane sphere at any given moment.
Parans are potential relationship
that will become actual when the planets transit the angles.
At the moment that planets in paran transit the angles
they are in a mundane aspect
but otherwise they are only in a potential mundane aspect.

There are several kinds of paran.
Two planets may rise together, meaning that they are conjunct in oblique ascension
under the pole of the latitude of the birthplace.
Two planets may transit either the upper or lower meridian together
which corresponds to a conjunction in right ascension.
Two planets may set together
which corresponds to a conjunction in oblique descension under the pole of latitude.
The first three parans ROBERT HAND refers to as conjunction parans.
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