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Unread 06-01-2019, 10:21 PM
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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

Let's stop the astrology tribalism, yet all Scorpios deliver justice.

I'll be honest, I have seen karma give Scorpio its just desserts and give it cold. Certain signs are more than capable of delivering justice to the one sign that really only acts out due to the desperate cry for attention and envy. As you read in astrology, envy is Scorpio's middle name.

Sure, the sign might overreact but the thing with such people who go out proactively looking for fights is that one day, they do find a fight that teaches them a lesson they will remember for a while.

I never got astrology priding this sign as being the deliverer or justice or teaching someone a lesson, if anything, this classically Martian ruled sign is the one that often ends up being taught the lesson itself.

What I am saying now is that eventually, astrology itself will teach it a lesson as soon as more and more people catch on to the self-promotion the manipulator is doing by hyping itself up as "the strongest sign".

My point being, the Mars might start the fight but other planets often finish it.

So let it overreact, it's quite beautiful when evil falls on its own sword.

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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

I wouldn't say that "all Scorpios deliver justice."

The first pitfall for novice astrologers is over-simplification.

Astrology teachers initially deal with generalities because astrology is a symbolic language. When the novice learns a new language, s/he starts with simple easy-to-understand phrases.

Compare a sentence for someone just learning English: "The train went very fast," with the comprehension of a more expert student of English: "The train accelerated to a sustained speed of 120 km per hour."

You're still at the level of, "The train went very fast."

What I indicated above was that if a sun-Scorpio has a sense of being wronged through some kind of betrayal or disloyalty, her instinct (as an emotional sign, not a mental sign) is to seek retribution. But in the Scorpio's mind, this isn't gratuitous martial violence. It is merely justice of the ancient Babylonian "eye for an eye, a "tooth for a tooth" variety.

Because Mercury is never more than 28 degrees from the sun, often a sun-Scorpio will have Mercury (thinking faculty) in justice-oriented Libra.

Then sometimes the Scorpio is mistaken. Sometimes s/he punishes the person who is vulnerable and close-to-hand, not the actual perpetrator of the alleged transgression.

Oh, you know. Dad is mad at his boss, so he comes home and takes his anger out his child.

Or maybe the boss gets fed up with Dad, who gets fired. And back-fired. And thus out of the loop where quid pro quo retaliation is possible.

So this is a big problem with retribution. Because, in such these scenarios, both father and child grow up without the bond of unconditional love. Dad loses the chance to demonstrate his professional worth, and is now even more out of control. These are the real punishments for misplaced retribution.

I'm sorry you never learned the many fine qualities of Scorpio. But you are still young. You still have lots of time, if you keep an open mind.

I don't think you would know "evil" as something external to yourself, because you speak evil, through your delight in your hope of harming another human being.

There is no such thing as "the strongest sign."

Think about a sport like boxing. Agility and the ability to dodge a blow is more valuable than some sort of ability to stand still and take a blow.

As the saying goes re: male sexuality, it's not what you've got. It's how you use it.

The "strongest sign" can be out-maneuvered by the clever, agile sign.

Are you so very important, after all,to declare yourself prosecutor, judge, and jury of other human beings? How would you like them to judge you as harshly and arrogantly as you judge them?
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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

[QUOTE=waybread;975451]Opal, re: your comment of a few days ago.... how shall I put this?

Of course, innocent people do not deserve crummy stuff that happens to them.

Sometimes crummy stuff happens.....

But the center of my comment focuses upon each of us. Who are we for ourselves? What do we give out?

There are differences. There is who I am at work. There is who I am at home. There is who I am socially. There is who I am to family. There is who I am to me. It should be an effort of us all to give out positive things. I do find the hardest thing of There is.....is There is who I am in forum......in real life I laugh quite a bit, and have a very sarcastic wit. Most people don't misunderstand, cause they witness actions and facial expression. Forum is very dry.......you can't really express humour.....it is misunderstood and generally between different cultural and different language, if a person misinterprets in forums.....they get angry.........

I don't believe particularly in past-lives karma, but more in the "what goes around comes around" philosophy.

I am undecided on past lives karma, although Schulman does give a good argument for them.......heck, I would like to think "what goes around comes around" but, it seems that sometimes it really doesn't matter. Sometimes, people get away with whatever......and it just is.....

I did mention earlier in this thread, every sign has the capacity.....but it is not just any sign as you say......it is every planet......every aspect.......every star......and even the empty houses to be considered......

Talk to you later Waybread
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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

I kind of do feel like you are starting to be on the right track Waybread when you say clever signs, it seems like Gemini and the air signs always beat the emotional ego-minded Scorpio who is desperately trying to prove themselves as the most powerful. Yet the sign obsessed with power does not know a thing about being subtle. Without justice though, there is no peaceful society.

The dad who goes home and beats his kids after having a bad day deserves to be punished soundly and thoroughly.

The boss who bullies his underlings and tries to ruin lives, well he deserves to have his life ruined times 10, without any mercy whatsoever.

The abusive boyfriend who preys on a smaller woman deserves to be punished without any mercy at all.

Call me crazy but I rather not let things like that slide. If you think the abusive boyfriend deserves to get away scotch-free, I question your values.
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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

To some degree though, I am learning that karma is very real which is why I try to be the best person I can be. A few years ago I worked at a major company and we had this one Director who was borderline abusive, go figure his birthday was in early November and after finding out his age I did a bit of a natal chart to find he had a stellium in Scorpio (Sun, Mercury, the infamous and overhyped Mars and Venus). Played favorites to where numbers mattered little and loved putting certain employees in a powerless position so his favorites can get ahead, not a man worth reasoning with. Not to mention he was quite the gossip, keeping everything behind closed doors and making the office atmosphere as a whole divisive.

So the company opens an office in Austin, he gets jealous since Austin was getting a lot of love and spends meetings make fun of the way employees there looked, their families, and talking about how they are going to "fall on their own swords" by taking on more work than usual that he felt his team deserved.

Time flies by and slowly, the best performers who were willing to work hard quit on him, he spends team meetings making fun of them by what he finds on social media and asking others in the office to stalk them to get some dirt on them. He actually tried to corner one young lady in public and gang up on her with a couple of guys at a bar, typical Scorpio fashion.

One month the news comes, company gets acquired and everyone is informed they will close their office in the city where he worked at. Mr. Director loses his job and now works at a lesser known company where he has had to take a lower pay.

It's weird how the "agent of karma" has the karma delivered to his doorstep, I do wish that some bitter employees would take a step further and make it so he can't even keep his current position given how predatory and nasty that thing was. A few of the employees who were wronged? One ended up at a prestigious company that is ranked as a top 20 employer in the country and the other went to a startup to build the accolades and recently came back to the same old company but at a much higher role.

So I never got why the typical Scorpio is the agent of karma given that the predatory sign preys on the weak, helpless, and uses every under-handed tactic in the book to do so.
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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

I'm a little cautious with the word "karma" because I don't mean it in the rigid, past-lives sense in which it appears in Hinduism and karmic/past lives astrology.

Let's just say, "What goes around, comes around."

Yes of course, we have to treat individual circumstances differently: innocent kids who get abused don't give out anything that justifies what happens to them. As adults, however, they have some choices as to how they process the abuse.

But let's look at mature responsible adults.

Word has it that Jeff Bezos is very difficult to work for and he's the wealthiest man in the world, &c, &c, &c.

Ordinary this-world "karma" takes time. Its effect may be immediate but oftentimes it takes a while.

Case in point: your Mr. Scorpio. But stop there. Wanting "some bitter employees" to actually punish this man further would generate negative "karma" on their ledger. Some of Mr. Scorpio's former supervisees are doing very well. They've had their reward, he's had his penalty.

Let the universe look after this. Don't borrow negative "karma" on your own personal spread sheet.

I'm sorry you never met any really good people who happen to be sun-Scorpios. You can check out the Astrodienst Astro-DataBank for thousands of sun Scorpio charts if you wish to research them further.
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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

As I have said, my issue is hardly with that. The sign that takes the cake for having the worst people I have met is Aquarius (no offense) but I am sick and tired of Scorpios being so hyped up by modern astrology and being regarded as the lone powerful sign, it makes me wonder how much of this stuff is impartial.
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Re: Revenge, getting even, and master at destroying someone's life.

I don't know what you're reading, but it's a big misnomer to call what you practice "modern astrology." You really need to stop wasting your time with pop-schlock social media sites and read some serious books on the subject. You know the children's parable about the blind men and the elephant?

It's fair to state that you don't know modern astrology: you know some junk astrology posted by people who are ignorant of astrology, if your posts are anything to go by.

Aquarius is a fine sign. I think your problem is one of approaching individuals through your misanthropic views of humans, coupled with your very incomplete and highly skewed ideas of astrology-- that for utterly mystifying reasons, you seem unwilling to expand beyond a narrow beginner level.

That's putting it politely.

I hope that at some point you will be capable of seeing human beings as complex, multi-faceted individuals. But you can't do it with a big chip on your shoulder.

Don't you imagine yourself to be more than a simplistic set of static character traits?

Try according to everyone else the same level of complexity you know yourself to possess.

BTW, on "what goes around comes around" and the inadvisability of wanting to punish people: you know the saying, "Living well is the best revenge."
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As I have said, my issue is hardly with that. The sign that takes the cake for having the worst people I have met is Aquarius (no offense) but I am sick and tired of Scorpios being so hyped up by modern astrology and being regarded as the lone powerful sign, it makes me wonder how much of this stuff is impartial.
Astrologers are never entirely impartial. They each have their own Chart-issues, including biases. For example, Neptune often takes a hit as being about "delusional" thinking, and Mars is usually seen as being all about violence and brute force. As for the Signs, it often becomes an anecdotal matter based solely on Sun-signs. But, the more you learn, the less the biased you become. Never stop learning!

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