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Unread 02-17-2012, 11:11 PM
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Re: What is the IC?

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JupiterAsc, thanks for the discourse. If you don't know the precise words that Valens used for "parents", that's fine.
That's ok. IMO the precise word that Valens used for "parents" was "parents" i.e. there is much debate as to what Valens did or did not say and therefore I recommend you seek advice from our two resident Hellenistic astrology experts - members Chris Brennan and Zoidsoft who are far better qualified than I

I am certain both would be only too delighted to respond to any questions relating to this crucial and inevitably contentious matter.

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.... in the meantime, for anyone keen for more discussion on comparisons between various translations of Vettius Valens, there is an interesting thread initiated by Therese Hamilton over on Skyscript entitled Valens: Schmidt, Riley and Gehrz where the required detailed comparison between Riley's, Schmidt's and Gehrz's translations of Vettius Valens is currently ongoing. And on that note, here's a very interesting example 100 word quote:

QUOTE FROM THERESE HAMILTON:

“It's valuable having properly published version of Riley's translation of Valens (Astrology Classics, Astrology Center of America) to compare with Schmidt/Gehrz. I'm waiting for the printed text because I believe Valens is important enough to pay the cost for an attractive well published book with index. From what I've seen, the Riley translation is quite close to Schmidt, and can be relied upon. It's often more readable as well. So if anyone regretted not having the Schmidt translation (only partly complete), I believe the Riley translation will be accurate enough, though missing Robert Schmidt's and Rob Hand's notes”

For those who are interested, Therese Hamilton then continues with an example of an important translation difference between Gehrz and Schmidt/Riley
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewto...asc&highlight=


Anyone who reads my posts shall have noticed that I frequently state that I'm no expert - on the contrary, our two actual long time resident experts are:

(a) member Chris Brennan, teacher and translator of various ancient manuscripts particularly those of Vettius Valens
http://www.chrisbrennanastrologer.com/

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member Zoidsoft, writer of the Hellenistic software program for Project Hindsight has worked closely with Robert Schmidt of Project Hindsight and maintains a useful resource website at http://www.zodiac-x-files.com/

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Re: What is the IC?

I've participated on this thread as well as its predecessor, JA. Thanks.
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Re: What is the IC?

Thank you for this link Jupiterasc, I will review all this page and try to calculate this duads/dwads.
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JUPITERASC, how is your Latin or ancient Greek? Where Riley uses the term "parents" in his Vettius translation, do you know what was the word in the original?....This matters, because one might well have a question concerning one's mother that was different than asking about one's father

Btw - A timely and most useful illustration of the finely-based nuances of meaning relating to vocabulary as understood by ancient Greek authors such as Vettius Valens is conveyed by the posting to you tube on 22 February 2012 of a video graphically highlighting the advantages of clear audio visual presentation when clarifying ancient astrological meaning as originally intended by the author two thousand years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7j_5...ature=youtu.be


the video is a response from Andrea Gehrz http://www.moirapress.org/Site/Home.html to some very interesting dialogue initiated by Sidereal astrologer Therese Hamilton on a thread entitled “Valens: Schmidt, Riley and Gehrz” http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewto...er=asc&start=0

fwiw some say the IC indicates the manner of the end of life


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As you know, JA, I have participated on that thread. I don't have audio on my old computer (but I may catch it sometime on my laptop or husband's computer.) For future reference, just assume that if I have participated on a Skyscript forum thread, I probably am following it.
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To all

- Discussion regarding what Valens meant, when Valens said whatever it was Valens said, is increasingly most interesting since a poster knowledgeable on the subject of ancient Greek has made some intriguing comments on a spin-off thread entitled:
"Gehrz responds to The Aries Question" http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6569 - I recommend it to all
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Btw - A timely and most useful illustration of the finely-based nuances of meaning relating to vocabulary as understood by ancient Greek authors such as Vettius Valens is conveyed by the posting to you tube on 22 February 2012 of a video graphically highlighting the advantages of clear audio visual presentation when clarifying ancient astrological meaning as originally intended by the author two thousand years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7j_5...ature=youtu.be
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