Phoenix Venus
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Hi folks. Today we are going to look at the chart of The Immaculate Conception. I inititally posted this in the thread "birth chart of Mary?" But we are going to go more in depth with the event chart here.
Heres the link to the thread "birth chart of Mary?" http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=679111#post679111
Piercethevale and I have been discussing this topic for the past few days now and have come up with a very strong case for the chart.
Our first theory was that since Yeshua was born as the "Perfect form of Man" (according to his ascending symbol), that his gestation period would likely be close, if not exact, to perfection. So we decided on the same time of day that He took His first breath.
Next, to find a date. The gestation period is considered to be 280 days from the first day of the womans last period, or 266 days from the woman's ovulation.
280 days from Yeshua's birth brings us to June 26, 02 greg, and 266 days brings us to a date of July 11, 02 greg.
Piercethevale suggested that he held the belief that the ASC of the chart would be right around the 18th degree of sagittarius, as that was the position of Pluto on the day of Yeshua's death. Makes sense as Pluto is the planet of rebirth and the ascendant represents the body. (seeing as how the chart we've got is proving itself to be the Real Deal, how he narrowed in on that and spotted that is beyond me... He must have a psychic sense about this stuff.. The mental vision of a hawk with a birds eye view of these charts... He does have pluto on His MC, after all..)
Well, the exact position that Pluto is in on the day of Yeshua's death is right at about 18.29 sag. So that brings us to a day of July 4th. Bingo! Right in the given timeframe. But the day I chose is the day before that, July 3rd. The asc was at 17.33 sag, just within a degree of a conjunction.
Some of you all might be aware of this fact and i mention it because it does fit in with this theory that the gestation cycle was fulfilled to "perfection". Womens menstruation cycles often synch up with the phases of the moon. Mary, specifically, as an Essene and a chosen candidate for the mother of christ, was trained throughout her youth to perfect her physical, mental and spiritual being in order to become a proper channel. (Edgar Cayce even said that she was without original sin.)
So it only makes sense that a woman with a body in keeping of perfection would be in cyclic alignment with the moon phases.
And the Moon phases fit in remarkably towards their perfect distance from Yeshua's birth!! The new moon took place on June 27th, the full moon on July 11th. July 3rd was right in the middle, the day of the half moon. (the conception event chart was just hours before the exact square of the moon to the sun.)
So we see that the conception took place in alignment with the moon phase, the heavenly representations of the Father and the Mother, halfway between the Moon's "menstruation" and "ovulation" cycle, at the same time that Yeshua Himself took his first breath.... A perfect gestation indeed. The Immaculate Conception!
Now, this event chart is doing something spectacular to Mary's natal chart. I'd like to quote a few things that Piercethevale said to me.
I inquired to him about Rudhyar's inferred statements pertaining to the theory of Yeshua containing a "Star of David" in His natal chart.
Here is what he said:
"The Jews infer it.
that the MESSIAH has to have that [the star of david]
...Yeshu'a wasn't the Messiah
Cayce said that the Messiah is an event not a person
it will be the descent of the Holy Spirit on humankind
makes sense to me
the descent of the Christ Spirit...
Yeshu'a became one with the Christ ... not born as
so... in a sense it will be his 'Second Coming'"
Well the Mother Mary chart has five points of a six point sextile matrix; A Magean David star.
The sixth point is being filled by transitting mars in this conception chart!!!
Here is what Cayce said of The Immaculate Conception:
"It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say, "Impossible!" They say it isn't in compliance with the natural law. IT IS A NATURAL LAW, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter, and thus making of itself a seperation to become encased in same- as did man (in the beginning.)" (from reading 5749-8)
&
"As the spirit was made manifest in the body purified by consecration of purpose in the lives manifested in the earth, so might the spirit- bring to the organs of (its own) flesh, a body through which the spirit may itself manifest in the earth (As its twin soul.)" (reading 2072-4)
... So taking all that into consideration, it's VERY FITTING that her Star of David matrix would be complete during the time of conception.
This missing matrix point was being filled by transitting Mars at 19.43.11 aries. This degree also happens to be Mary's natal Hermetic Lot of Victory, found at 19.56.20 aries.
The sabian symbol for 20 aries which is (from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala"):
"
A YOUNG GIRL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER.
KEYNOTE: Overcoming crises through compassion.
Nature's seasonal rhythms imply an oscillation between living and dying. Through creative imagination man can "fly over" the cycle, and discover means not only to escape from the fatality of seasonal decay or deprivation, but to assist other living entities to survive through crises. Migrating birds fly south (cf. symbol of Aries 12°), but by establishing a partnership with other creatures unable to escape wintry deprivation or death, man can maintain the life of the spirit (symbolized by birds) steady through all crises if, like a "young girl," he is widely open to the promptings of love and sympathy.
At this fifth stage of the symbolic sequence we witness human activity motivated by sympathy overcoming the seasonal phase of impotency. Life potency in nature spirits reaches a higher level in the human being. The theme is THE TRANSMUTATION OF LIFE INTO LOVE."
Wow... WOW... "Overcoming the seasonal phase of impotency"... WOW... An oscillation between living and dying.. Transmutation of Life into Love.. Remarkable!
Heres the chart. It's a jawdropper for sure. More to follow, stay tuned!
Heres the link to the thread "birth chart of Mary?" http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=679111#post679111
Piercethevale and I have been discussing this topic for the past few days now and have come up with a very strong case for the chart.
Our first theory was that since Yeshua was born as the "Perfect form of Man" (according to his ascending symbol), that his gestation period would likely be close, if not exact, to perfection. So we decided on the same time of day that He took His first breath.
Next, to find a date. The gestation period is considered to be 280 days from the first day of the womans last period, or 266 days from the woman's ovulation.
280 days from Yeshua's birth brings us to June 26, 02 greg, and 266 days brings us to a date of July 11, 02 greg.
Piercethevale suggested that he held the belief that the ASC of the chart would be right around the 18th degree of sagittarius, as that was the position of Pluto on the day of Yeshua's death. Makes sense as Pluto is the planet of rebirth and the ascendant represents the body. (seeing as how the chart we've got is proving itself to be the Real Deal, how he narrowed in on that and spotted that is beyond me... He must have a psychic sense about this stuff.. The mental vision of a hawk with a birds eye view of these charts... He does have pluto on His MC, after all..)
Well, the exact position that Pluto is in on the day of Yeshua's death is right at about 18.29 sag. So that brings us to a day of July 4th. Bingo! Right in the given timeframe. But the day I chose is the day before that, July 3rd. The asc was at 17.33 sag, just within a degree of a conjunction.
Some of you all might be aware of this fact and i mention it because it does fit in with this theory that the gestation cycle was fulfilled to "perfection". Womens menstruation cycles often synch up with the phases of the moon. Mary, specifically, as an Essene and a chosen candidate for the mother of christ, was trained throughout her youth to perfect her physical, mental and spiritual being in order to become a proper channel. (Edgar Cayce even said that she was without original sin.)
So it only makes sense that a woman with a body in keeping of perfection would be in cyclic alignment with the moon phases.
And the Moon phases fit in remarkably towards their perfect distance from Yeshua's birth!! The new moon took place on June 27th, the full moon on July 11th. July 3rd was right in the middle, the day of the half moon. (the conception event chart was just hours before the exact square of the moon to the sun.)
So we see that the conception took place in alignment with the moon phase, the heavenly representations of the Father and the Mother, halfway between the Moon's "menstruation" and "ovulation" cycle, at the same time that Yeshua Himself took his first breath.... A perfect gestation indeed. The Immaculate Conception!
Now, this event chart is doing something spectacular to Mary's natal chart. I'd like to quote a few things that Piercethevale said to me.
I inquired to him about Rudhyar's inferred statements pertaining to the theory of Yeshua containing a "Star of David" in His natal chart.
Here is what he said:
"The Jews infer it.
that the MESSIAH has to have that [the star of david]
...Yeshu'a wasn't the Messiah
Cayce said that the Messiah is an event not a person
it will be the descent of the Holy Spirit on humankind
makes sense to me
the descent of the Christ Spirit...
Yeshu'a became one with the Christ ... not born as
so... in a sense it will be his 'Second Coming'"
Well the Mother Mary chart has five points of a six point sextile matrix; A Magean David star.
The sixth point is being filled by transitting mars in this conception chart!!!
Here is what Cayce said of The Immaculate Conception:
"It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say, "Impossible!" They say it isn't in compliance with the natural law. IT IS A NATURAL LAW, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter, and thus making of itself a seperation to become encased in same- as did man (in the beginning.)" (from reading 5749-8)
&
"As the spirit was made manifest in the body purified by consecration of purpose in the lives manifested in the earth, so might the spirit- bring to the organs of (its own) flesh, a body through which the spirit may itself manifest in the earth (As its twin soul.)" (reading 2072-4)
... So taking all that into consideration, it's VERY FITTING that her Star of David matrix would be complete during the time of conception.
This missing matrix point was being filled by transitting Mars at 19.43.11 aries. This degree also happens to be Mary's natal Hermetic Lot of Victory, found at 19.56.20 aries.
The sabian symbol for 20 aries which is (from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala"):
"
A YOUNG GIRL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER.
KEYNOTE: Overcoming crises through compassion.
Nature's seasonal rhythms imply an oscillation between living and dying. Through creative imagination man can "fly over" the cycle, and discover means not only to escape from the fatality of seasonal decay or deprivation, but to assist other living entities to survive through crises. Migrating birds fly south (cf. symbol of Aries 12°), but by establishing a partnership with other creatures unable to escape wintry deprivation or death, man can maintain the life of the spirit (symbolized by birds) steady through all crises if, like a "young girl," he is widely open to the promptings of love and sympathy.
At this fifth stage of the symbolic sequence we witness human activity motivated by sympathy overcoming the seasonal phase of impotency. Life potency in nature spirits reaches a higher level in the human being. The theme is THE TRANSMUTATION OF LIFE INTO LOVE."
Wow... WOW... "Overcoming the seasonal phase of impotency"... WOW... An oscillation between living and dying.. Transmutation of Life into Love.. Remarkable!
Heres the chart. It's a jawdropper for sure. More to follow, stay tuned!
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