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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

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I have my Sun and Mercury both in Pisces. Mercury in the 3rd and Sun in the 4th house.
I have these same placements Kay!!

But from the chart you posted here:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...216#post362216
it looks like you have both in the 4th house?

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Mercury deals with our perception, thinking processes, learning and cognitive abilities, our sense of hearing in particular.

In Pisces if well aspected can give a great imagination, thinks a lot about spirituality and transcendence and can lend a sympathetic ear to those in trouble. Actually a lively imagination regardless but logic can be overcome by fantasy and wishful thinking.

Sensitivity to sounds and likes to be introspective, communicate and learns about those less privileged and like to spend time dreaming and being alone is a general analysis. Can be vague and confused with speech and get lost when travelling.
Umm..Yes.
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Mercury in Pisces 10.05/8.25/21.8
Moon in Aquarius 10.85/8.73/24.2

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Olivia

I think mercury in pisces is a high vibration and when I read your post about 'wet' I thought of the ocean and whales and dolphins communicating across 1000s of miles of ocean. only heard by those who can listen into that frequency
I seriously this thread..did I say that already?

It's kind of a dream of mine to be able to actually communicate with whales..
count me in on the advent of such development..humanely of course!
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a while ago someone posted about the vibration of how we communicate those who excel in merc in pisces dont get heard cos the frequency gets lost in a world where those who are just working on the base level. (like having planets in 12th house and not appreciating their value)

I will post a link that I saw the other day about where mercury comes in your chart. it was quite interesting.

here you go - you may have already seen it - http://www.khaldea.com/planets/merc_type.shtml
Well ain't that somethin..very interesting indeed!

"If your Mercury type is Promethean-Retrograde, you possess a mind seeking independence from biological limitations and the dictates of social convention. It does so because it is driven by an intuitive impulse to realize a new quality of being, the full nature of which you may not as yet clearly or fully understand.

But independence from natural compulsions and social convention often leads to a more or less violent rebellion against the past and its traditions, or from anything which holds back your mental eagerness.
Eventually, the Promethean-Retrograde type generally tires of resisting whatever she feels hinders her freedom. {Umm..like my LIFE?}
Then mental combativeness {3rd house Aquarius Moon opposite Leo Mars} gives ways to a powerful intuitive identification with, and a creative contribution to, something greater than the person {3rd house Mercury in Pisces}."


{Michael Whelon - The Fourth Crusade}

Do you notice the burning city in the background..? While the cloaked woman is sitting on the shore of time..reflecting,
understanding, resigned to her fate..leaving the more chaotic past behind..that's how I see this.


"Because the Promethean-Retrograde phase lasts from ten to fifteen days, it is seen in only about one out of ten birth charts.
Great minds and influential thinkers are found among Promethean-Retrograde types, including Aldous Huxley.
A member of England’s most prominent scientific family, Huxley migrated to America, where he became a famous novelist and social critic. Always a futuristic thinker, Huxley’s Promethean-Retrograde Mercury is clearly shown in his best-known novel, Brave New World." {Aquarius much?}

"Mercury’s character is traditionally said to be asexual, and its significance in a natal chart doesn’t vary much between men and women. Women born during Mercury’s Promethean-Retrograde phase, however, often find themselves engaged in challenging traditional roles and in defining a new image of woman."



"Some of the most outstanding icons of new womanhood are Promethean-Rx types. Victoria Woodhull, an early feminist of the nineteenth century and one of the most Promethean women of the modern era, is exemplary of the type.
Chrissie Hynde - who opened the way for women to work as creative and musical principals in the world of rock music -
is a contemporary icon whose legacy has a tremendous impact on creative young women.
The editor of Cosmopolitan and author of Sex and the Single Girl, Helen Gurley Brown, is another Promethean-Rx woman."

from: http://www.khaldea.com/planets/merc_px.shtml

I interpret this as..while you may look the part and/or feel/relate to a more 'traditional' interpretation of standard/classic femininity,
you may not necessarily think or communicate in ways that were particularly encouraged for a woman once upon a time, though not really so long ago in actuality. Women's suffrage anyone? Among other things.



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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

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Mercury in Pisces 10.05/8.25/21.8
Moon in Aquarius 10.85/8.73/24.2

I absolutely love this quote. It synthesises a great deal which is misunderstood about intelligence in general. When I got my results in college, they were mixed; my final written exam performance was average, but my project work was very strong. The system is weighted to give written exam more value and as a result of this I did feel bad. I discussed it with an academic advisor, who kindly highlighted that my project work was far above average - the intelligence was in 'critical thinking' rather than the book-type 'rote learning'. Indeed, a lot like a fish judged on it's tree-climbing ability. One of my language professors who told me that I seemed to learn 'as if by osmosis' said that this type of educational systems fail people like me. This is classic Mercury in Pisces - learns differently, and yet the world's systems are designed to assess the opposite, so we appear to fail in their estimation.

I meant to ask, has anyone with this natal placement had particular problems with their senses? Hearing, sight etc?
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

I too have mercury in pisces ninth house!! I was born def in my left ear!!!
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I seriously this thread..did I say that already?

It's kind of a dream of mine to be able to actually communicate with whales..
count me in on the advent of such development..humanely of course!

Made me think of the book "Fluke" by Christopher Moore. He is one of my fave authors!
http://www.chrismoore.com/fluke.html
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

well here is some sounds on an aptly named website.

http://neptune.atlantis-intl.com/dolphins/sounds.html
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I too have mercury in pisces ninth house!! I was born def in my left ear!!!
Ah ha! I think there could be some research here! My dad and I both have Mercury in Pisces and have had ear troubles (blockages) and no one else in the family has the same issue...just us M in P natives...

Caro, yes, I was thinking of just that animal - DOLPHINS. Dolphins come to mind when I think Mercury in Pisces communication. I note that dolphin and whale communication reaches a far greater distance than anything we humans come up with...

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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

Cosmic Blyss. thanks for your feedback and glad that the messages resonated with you.

what is interesting is that these posts were mostly written in 2010 and it is taken until now for them to be read it would seem.

or maybe Ive been on this forum tooooo long now.
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Cosmic Blyss. thanks for your feedback and glad that the messages resonated with you.

what is interesting is that these posts were mostly written in 2010 and it is taken until now for them to be read it would seem.

or maybe Ive been on this forum tooooo long now
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

Hi Caro, if you mean the posts in this thread, recently I added more detail to my opening post, as I always hoped to, then I posted at the end to warm discussion. I'd say older posts were seen by fresh eyes! From start to finish, the discussion has been great, I'm thrilled.
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Hi Caro, if you mean the posts in this thread, recently I added more detail to my opening post, as I always hoped to, then I posted at the end to warm discussion. I'd say older posts were seen by fresh eyes! From start to finish, the discussion has been great, I'm thrilled.
Also interestingly appropriate that for a natal Mercury retrograde such as yourself byjove 'rethinking' and 'revisiting' is not unusual and in fact is very useful to do!
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

Well with natal mercury in pisces I already have 2000 reasons why they were not read. which is cool.
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

I have Mercury in Pisces in the 12th house. To my knowledge, Mercury only has one major placement in my natal chart (Mercury Square Uranus) but I really don't think I am all that affected by it.
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

Pisces is the natural home aka domicile of Jupiter as well as the Exalted home of Venus - therefore to assess in detail individual placements of Mercury in Pisces, study the natal house and sign locations of both Venus and Jupiter as well as aspects between natal Venus, natal Jupiter and natal Mercury

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(1) transits from both transiting Venus and transiting Jupiter to
(a) natal Mercury
(b) natal Jupiter
(c) natal Venus

(2) transits from transiting Mercury to:
(a) natal Mercury
(b) natal Jupiter
(c) natal Venus


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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

and neptune ? house. sign and placement? well what do ya know eh look neptune is transiting in pisces!

I think i may not what the next reply to this post might be!
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Hmm... I'm mercury in pisces and have ear issues too...
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

Jovey: I had to have tubes in my ears and every year I gotta get them drained!!!!Cos they will fill up so much to the point i cant hear!!

Also I dont know if this has anything to do with merc in pisces but i also have speech issues!! I cant pronounce SH and CH words good..!! For instance If i say CHERYL...It sounds like Carol!!Church is IMPOSSIBLE for me to say!!!
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Re: Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

Hey pudinpop!

So many natives here can claim to blocked ears/similar that I think I'll mention it in the health forum. I have medical and natural at-home solutions for this too. As I say, the only people that I know in person that have this problem are M in P natives...

I'm not surprised about the speech connection. Mercury after all will relate to people any way that it can, communication of ideas, so definitely includes speech.

JupiterASC, I was think about the condition of Venus and Jupiter related to a Mercury in Pisces in a natal chart. If a chart showed a dignified or well-placed (house, aspect etc.) Venus and Jupiter, would you expect much more of the positives of Pisces to be expressed though the functions of this Mercury? p.s. I had another peak at my chart, and I don't think Mercury is retrograde...

Update: Health thread on Mercury on Pisces created for anyone that wants to share tips: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...319#post450319

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....JupiterASC, I was think about the condition of Venus and Jupiter related to a Mercury in Pisces in a natal chart. If a chart showed a dignified or well-placed (house, aspect etc.) Venus and Jupiter, would you expect much more of the positives of Pisces to be expressed though the functions of this Mercury? p.s. I had another peak at my chart, and I don't think Mercury is retrograde...
With multiple threads on the forum byjove, then I assume it was on a different thread by another member that I probably read they have Mercury Retrograde!!

In any event, if Venus and Jupiter are both dignified by sign
i.e. Venus is in domicile or exaltation and Jupiter is in domicile or exaltation
THEN Jupiter and Venus BOTH BENEFIT the matters of those houses that they rule
WITH THE CAVEAT THAT:
if a malefic - i.e. either Mars of Saturn - aspects Venus and/or Jupiter THEN their effects are modified and careful study/delineation is required

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The type of Delineation I'm giving here is a mix of medieval techniques with those of the Hellenistic authors.
Robert Zoller played great role in my traditional astrology education and this is obvious for those who are familiar with his work.


1. The good or bad signified by a house emanates from the ruler of the house.

This is the basic rule. The ruler of the house is giver of the material of the house.

Zoller gives the example of his own chart where he has Combusted Mercury in 11th, ruler of 4th. He comments that this kind of placement brings adversity to ones home and dwellings.



2. Benefit in one area of life can be produced by adversity, or even conflict, in another.


Again Zoller gives example from his own chart.
Jupiter in 9th in Scorpio disposited from Mars in 11th: Wisdom coming from conflicts.

3. The delineation tells you the what. The
predictive techniques tell you the when.
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Sharon Stone. merc in pisces. mensa : 154

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/..._Sharon?lang=e
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Sharon Stone. merc in pisces. mensa : 154

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/..._Sharon?lang=e
Yes, member Frank did some research on this and typical prejudices proved misguided when it came to IQ levels, Mercury in Pisces. I just seen that quote above again, from Albert Einstein pointing out that if we use the wrong tools to judge people's ability, then the results are as ineffective as the tools. This is why I hate the typical educational assesment tools. I'm not sure if it's a good idea pursuing more formal education beyond what I've already completed, by their estimation - I would not be learning. I did international business & languages for my primary degree. If I did art or music or poetry perhaps I could fare better. My accounting professor despised creative expression like it was the bane of humanity lol.

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Celine Dion - mercury in pisces.

probably one of the most well known singers globally.(huge in china)

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/..._Celine?lang=e
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