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SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

The following table

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below the column headed HOUSE
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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

by the way

for beginners who do not know
HOUSE = DOMICILE
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House is aka Domicile




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.....................doesn't Saturn sometimes give great wealth and power to nativities, and doesn't he sometimes cause great afflictions? Yes, of course, but that has to do with his harmonious or disharmonious relationship with the planet/angle/lot through the different aspects and natures of the subjects. So combining essential and accidental dignity into the same concept does not prevent us from making these distinctions, while I would argue that too much emphasis on the essential dignity could prevent someone making this distinction in the particular cases - for example when it helps rank with trine to the Sun from Aquarius by day, but causes divorce with square to the Moon in a dual sign in a male nativity, Aquarius is not going to help the first and mitigate the latter, I argue that is going to increase and actualize the effects of both.

Powerful Saturn at the nativity does not mean that it will give only very good or very evil at all times (though it certainly can exceed in one direction), if you use the recasting of horoscopes at solar and lunar revolutions, planets change their powers, which allows for differentiation in the chronocratorship. You can't make this important differentiation if you only use primary directions, profections or what have you with the nativity though.
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Saturn is sometimes about old matters, tradition, black magic
and superstition.

'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic, dark, of heavy harshness.
And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist, heavy, of stinking odor
and he is of much eating and true esteem.
And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land
and peasants,
and village companions, and the settlement of lands...'
Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
h http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

'...SATURN signifies magicians and masters of discord
and low-class men and eunuchs. And he signifies a great length of thought
and a scarcity of speaking and the knowledge of secrets
and one does not know what is in his mind
nor does a wise person make disclosures to him
about every obscure matter.
And he signifies austerity and the ascetics of religions....'
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Let me read some significations of Saturn when controlling the soul

according to Ptolemy:

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but if his position is the opposite and without dignity, he makes them sordid, petty, mean-spirited, indifferent, mean-minded, malignant, cowardly, diffident, evil-speakers, solitary, tearful, shameless, superstitious, fond of toil, unfeeling, devisers of plots against their friends, gloomy, taking no care of the body.
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Saturn, allied with Jupiter... superstitious, frequenters of shrines
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Allied with Venus in honourable positions Saturn makes his subjects haters of women, lovers of antiquity, solitary, unpleasant to meet, unambitious, hating the beautiful, envious, stern in social relations, not companionable, of fixed opinions, prophetic, given to the practice of religious rites, lovers of mysteries and initiations, performers of sacrificial rites, mystics, religious addicts, but dignified and reverent, modest, philosophical, faithful in marriage,
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/3D*.html#13


http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/3D*.html#13

Saturn seems quite religious to Ptolemy.
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Or maybe it is more cultural you know. At the place and time of Ptolemy, almost all cults involved sacrifices, and everyone was more or less involved in such, especially cults of rulers. That is why over half of the personality results in the chapter involve religion, Saturn and Mercury more than others, Jupiter is related to religion in moderation, as it fits dignified people.
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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/


SATURN signifies also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things, and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets, and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor.

And he signifies travel by sea, and foreign travel
[that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions, and boldness in dangers
and impediment, and hesitation, and being singular
and a scarcity of association with men, and pride and magnanimity
and bluffing and bragging and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries
and a tendency to anger, even warriors and fettering and prison,
also truth in words, and esteem, and prudence and understanding,
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence, and stubbornness in [his] method.
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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
and the complication of the mind.
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'....SATURN signifies fraud
and affliction and difficulty and loss
also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead, mourning
and being orphaned, and old things.....'
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Apotelesmatika

1. Powers

SATURN is cooling and moderately drying


2. Qualities

SATURNn and Mars are maleficent



17. Depressions

Aries is heating depression of SATURN
CaAPRICORN is southern depression of Jupiter


27. Qualities

Saturn predominating indicates destruction by cold, with long illnesses, consumptions, withering, disturbances caused by fluids, rheumatisms, quartan fevers, falling, exile, poverty, imprisonment, mourning, fears, and deaths, especially among those advanced in age, scarcity and destruction of useful animals by disease, fearful cold, freezing, misty and pestilential corruption of air, clouds, gloom, multitude of destructive snowstorms, abundance of harmful reptiles, storms, the wreck of fleets, disastrous voyages, scarcity and death of fish, high and ebb tides of the seas, the excessive floods of rivers and pollution of their waters, want, scarcity and loss of crops, especially of those grown for necessary uses, through worms or locusts or floods or cloud-burst or hail, and the like
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Medieval alchemists
ascribed to the planet Saturn
a gloomy and slow character
SATURNINE is a word rarely used

When people are called SATURNINE
and/or have SATURNINE dispositions
they are often described as:
- brooding, bitter, obsessive
- sluggish or taciturn
- having a gloomy manner
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Of the seven metals, Saturn rules lead
which has a very dull surface
and makes a thick, heavy sound when struck.
Lead is also the heaviest, the most stable
and the most inert metal
the traditional metal of tombs.

Lead poisoning was originally referred to as 'Saturnism'
because the physical ailments of ingesting small quantities of lead include
fatigue, depression and melancholia.
Lead collects in bone tissue
and is more prevalent in the bones of old people than those of the young.

Nick Kollerstrom in his book ASTROCHEMISTRY
explores the link between Saturn, lead and Saturnism
reminding us that the effects of lead poisoning
are to 'slow down' the mental processes of the mind.
Saturn also rules all ordinary country stones that have no glitter and shine.
It is said to rule the dross of all metals and the dust, ash and rubbish of everything.
It does however, have some rulership over diamonds
the hardest mineral, derived from crystallised carbon.
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SATURN depicts someone who is characterised by
austerity or seriousness.
If Saturn is dignified and well placed, they are inclined to think before they speak
and as a consequence their words carry weight.
Such a person is not to be lightly dismissed
Lilly describes Saturnine types as profound in imagination, severe in acts,
in labour patient, in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous.
Their sense of humour is dry and earthy
based on observing the reality of life
They seldom throw caution to the wind
and are always aware of a sense of responsibility to themselves and others.
They do not display their emotions easily
but their emotions, like their imaginations, can be profound.
Such individuals are observably deep, sincere
and generally gather respect.
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Afflicted or badly placed SATURN may lead to negative cynicism
undue pessimism, a suspicious spirit
or feeling at odds with life
living in a world that is naturally hostile.
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SATURN in physical description
is described as 'cold and dry'
This points to little flesh on the bones, small eyes
no alluring softness in curves and dimples
the hair is not soft, shiny and bouncy
but sparse and tends towards being lacklustre, pale or dull.
The body is generally thin and angular
with prominent bone structure
but sometimes it may incline towards excess fat, due to a weak, lethargic constitution.
The countenance is downward looking
and there is often an awkward gait, a slow, hesitant movement
with little trace of a spring in the step
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- SATURN has rulership over rocks, stones, metals and minerals

Professions and types of people signified by SATURN
include miners and those that work with metals or minerals from the earth
or those that dig into the earth aka farm workers, gardeners, grave diggers,
- people who dig trenches or work in quarries
or work beneath its surface in tunnels and caves.
SATURN signifies plumbers, people who work with lead
brick makers, general labourers
industries where the main product is based on leather or hide
or those that necessitate working in cold, dark, or unpleasant conditions.
This includes night workers generally
and people who work with the dead in any context
whether they support the bereaved
or create products used in the funeral trade.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html
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The illnesses of SATURN
are those proceeding from
cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
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