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Re: what chart style have you found to be most accuret?

Hi David, if you click on the Wikipedia entry for astrology, they do identify it as a form of divination.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology

For me, astrology is pretty much it. I have studied runes and tarot, but to me they are primarily tools for expanding one's self-awareness. There is a fine line in astrology between divination and fortune-telling, and I don't do much of the latter. Divination can give you a character analysis of someone you've never met, or a greater awareness of your potential. Fortune telling is more like answering, "When will I get married?" sorts of questions.

I do some horary readings, and it's interesting that some astrologers believe that a horary chart is actually a map of what the querent actually knows to be true, even if they cannot consciously articulate it. Lately I've read some horary charts where the question is something like, "Will my ex-boyfriend come back to me?" Not only does the chart give a negative, but you really feel that the querent knows that her BF is not coming back, but she hopes against hope that the horoscope will somehow give her the answer she wants. I don't do many of the "when" or "where" questions, which are actually more advanced.

I am not religious in a sectarian or orthodox sense, but I do believe in God as the divine consciousness or creative principle governing the universe. Such a God would have to be sufficiently powerful to confound astrologers' predictions. (Which was an argument against Babylonian astrology in the Old Testament.)

I also believe in people's capacity for moral choice, and that the choices we make at Time A can influence outcomes at Time T. For example, a new parent learns that her life is completely different after she has a baby-- and different for the rest of her life. Yet it's the same natal horoscope with the same transits and progressions as if she remained childless.

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I've Seen it this way: When we're born, we don't emerge into this World unprotected--we are each surrounded by an Astral force-field which shields us from the fierce Energy storms that would otherwise destroy us. Astrology is a symbolic way of describing these force-fields. There's more to it, but that's a basic scenario I find compelling on an experiential level. Mother and child are linked, with interacting force-fields, in an extreme way. Talk about Synastry!

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....." Modern Science", which strives to explain Everything in a materialistic, impersonal, objective way using the "Scientific Method" has overshadowed every other definition (in the Modern world). Astrology is all about Correlation. Modern science is all about Causation.
I agree up to a point. Scientific method, as you say, relies on knowledge. Empiric understanding and interpretation of 'facts' as they are accepted to be known is key. However, the unknown is always around the corner, and in becoming known is almost always surprising when finally approached and revealed. That 'science' currently is materialistically oriented is beyond doubt, and is likely to continue to be so for some time yet I suspect, but the methodology - the 'science' itself - will always, should always, strive to be neutral. Astrology is no different in that respect. The parts must always make up the coherent whole. Synthesis must prove to be effective with either practice.
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Re: what chart style have you found to be most accuret?

David, there is something out there that protects the earth from incoming radiation. It's called the atmosphere.

Which is why it truly matters if humans mismanage it.

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor?
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This Natal force-field is effective enough to protect even astronauts who travel outside of Earth's atmosphere. And, there are many types of Energy waves, some of which are not yet known to Modern Science, and some of which are emanating from the Earth itself. Is Divination the simplest answer or a useful way of avoiding the question (of what Astrology is all about)? Is it possible you mean Synchronicity (Jung's version)? Secular Divination just sounds self-contradictory. Although "Worship" does have solid secular meaning...when I hear "Divination" it sounds to me like religion. Maybe Astrology has both spiritual and secular components. It could be, like Modern Science, available as a "Religion Substitute".

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Yeh, but David, that's called their space craft. The Natal Force Feld didn't protect the crew of the Challenger when it blew up in 1986 or the Columbia crew in 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._and_incidents

I dunno, David-- isn't ordinary reality good enough?

To me the simplest explanation of astrology is that some people have psi abilities to a greater or lesser extent (also called psychic ability, clairvoyance, second sight, 6th sense, fey (in Ireland.) Astrology is a way to channel it through its specific procedures. Some day neuroscientists may figure it out.

Do we know why some people have an ear for languages, exceptional artistic ability, or perfect pitch? An air traffic controller needs advanced spatial abilities and the ability to make split-second judgements on objects rapidly moving in 3D space. Where does that ability to come from?

William Lilly encouraged horary astrologers to pray prior to reading a horoscope. While this may be where the "divine" part of divination comes in, if nothing else, prayer would focus the astrologer's mind so that s/he could more fully focus on the chart at hand.

Divination does have the root "divine" or "deva" (spirit.) When astrology began in ancient Sumer and Babylon, worship was very much part of it. Today we can simply see divination as gaining insight or foresight through a systematic method. It could be either spiritual or secular.

Humans are not separate from the cosmos. So there isn't really a planetary cause-and-effect. We operate together as a holistic system.
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C.S. Lewis, Perelandra.

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The Synchronicity model! One of my favorites. And the wording is first-rate (as usual). Thanks!
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