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Hi, thanks for your interest
I’m trying to make sense of the true nature of a meeting and a short, somewhat chaotic and tumultuous ‘relationship’ - yeah I know.., "there's a shock", but bear with me. The synastry, and our natal charts reveal some interesting details, but for me the transits at the meeting time may be more revealing because of their accuracy and the way they seem to reinforce some of the elements in our natal charts and synastry. They include Black Moon Lillith, Lillith (1181), Vesta, Psyche, Juno and Chiron. To begin with, transit. BM Lillith was conjunct her natal moon and my natal Vesta (25’ & 33’ resp), and transit. Moon was conjunct my natal BM Lillith (50’), I guess a kind of double whammy. Considering both our natal Saturn/Mars oppositions and our natal Saturn/Venus afflictions (if you want to see the charts let me know), I’m curious about this apparent can of worms being opened, and the possibilities for personal resolve. Also, I'm interested in the differences between synastry and transits. I'm not sure where I got this, but I'm under the impression that transits are more an indication of temporary or 'passing' events, while synastry indicates more longer-term affiliations, which might help to explain the can of worms i.e. an opportunity to get a look at something that requires attention (as an individual, it looks like it's probably more 'eventful' for me than it is for them). I suppose what I'm trying to uncover is whether transiting asteroids accurately crossing key natal planets, points and asteroids at critical times could be the keys to unlocking less obvious, or perhaps even very deeply hidden aspects of individual karma, as well as the synastry. Although I don't want to go into too much detail in this post, this recent experience I've had (am having) appears to be highlighting the possibility, and I'd like to explore it while it's fresh, and so as not to waste an opportunity if one can be identified, while at the same time learning about the asteroids and their 'efficacy'.


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I’m trying to make sense of the true nature of our meeting and the short, somewhat chaotic and tumultuous ‘relationship’. The synastry, and our natal charts reveal some interesting details, but for me the transits at the meeting time may be more revealing becasue of their accuracy and the way they seem to reinforce the natal elements. They include Black Moon Lillith, Lillith (1181), Vesta, Psyche, Juno and Chiron. To begin with, transit. BM Lillith was conjunct her natal moon and my natal Vesta (25’ & 33’ resp) and transit. Moon was conjunct my natal BM Lillith (50’). Considering both our natal Saturn/Mars oppositions and our natal Saturn/Venus afflictions, I’m curious about the purpose of opening such a can of worms when there seems no avenue to resolve it, or if there is any hint in my chart as to how to take the issue forward constructively. At the moment I'm stumped. Let me know if you'd like to see the charts.
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Okey let us see the chart.
As you can see I've edited the original post to hopefully be a bit clearer. I'll include mine, theirs, meeting time and Davison.

note the transits on the charts (apart from the meeting chart itself) are for 00hrs on 31st (not 10pm 30th May 2015) so slight adjustment to be taken into account for moon etc.
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As you can see I've edited the original post to hopefully be a bit clearer. I'll include mine, theirs, meeting time and Davison.

note the transits on the charts (apart from the meeting chart itself) are for 00hrs on 31st (not 10pm 30th May 2015) so slight adjustment to be taken into account for moon etc.
PLEASE READ ALL CAREFULLY!!!

Using the whole signs to explain the synastry. I see that most of your planets are falling in the 11th house and the 1st house of her her charts. To her there is a sense of friendship and familiarity. The 11th house is house of friendship and "amitié" . The relationship might bring her sense of joy, and enthusiasm-the eleventh house is the house of our capacity of joy- you are someone who could trust and confine. Wwith your Moon/Neptune/Ic falling in her 1st house it feels like a karmic relationship to both of you. There is a sense of familiarity, as the first house is the energy we are most comfortable with. So the way you expresses your emotion and yourself makes her comfortable. And the way she channel her energy to the world is comfortable to your family upbringing and background. To you, she is very alluring,mysterious and somehow seductive. Her whole signs eighth house falls in Gemini, she usually attracts the Gemini energies to her-btw read this insightful article http://sasstrology.com/2011/08/magne...ts-ruler.html- you are magnetized by her. She might represent the sexy pluto theme to you. Since you are a man, Venus and the moon describes your mate/partner, the good wife, but Lilith represents for a man the raw,sexual,dangerous, intense woman he fears or love. Your Lilith is falling in her first house. The way she expresses her personal image ties with your image of Lilith, she stimulate the alluring,seductive,mysterious,dangerous Lilith energy inside of you. She is strong turn on, strong sexual desire towards her. With the Axis squaring each other, there is karma and fate without doubt. Add to that, the node/asc/dsc configurations. Plus the Antix-vertex/node is conjunct your sun with Antiscia- I see fated relationship here-
HER EROS PARALLEL/CONJUNCT BY ANTISCIA YOUR PSYCHE i want to bold that because it is important to have Eros/Psyche they are dealmaker -soul mate-

Psyche in a woman's chart, represents her journey to seek true love, Psyche in myth went through a lot to be united with her true love Eros. It is good that you have your Sun,a masculine planet, in conjunct with her with her Psyche feminine asteroid. You touch her soul in a deep way, and represents some of her struggles to find true love. Her Eros conjunct your Psyche she is sexually attracted to you and also on the soul level,very lovely!!

Sappho is the asteroid of lesbians,same sex relationship and friendship opposite her sun which further strengthen the position of the 11th house.

If we use the whole signs system, the sun falls in the 11th house-the house of joy,happiness and friendship which is a good positions for the composite davison sun to fall in. I see there are a lot of bad aspect in davison. But the synastry is wonderful!!!
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Btw I really dig this relationship. I feel a sense of karma and fate between you too. I would advise to give it a try, anyway Good Luck!!!!
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Btw I really dig this relationship. I feel a sense of karma and fate between you too. I would advise to give it a try, anyway Good Luck!!!!
That there was a sense of fate between us was/is of no doubt.., to me. I sensed it very soon after meeting, (as did she, although she simply said in a surprised tone that she "felt very comfortable in my company" within about 20 mins of meeting), and the ease and familiarity between us was unlike anything I've experienced before. It was like two old friends coming together and carrying on where we left off. However, that didn't last very long before we began to display patterns (possibly also very old) which seemed to be revealing the mutual 'Father Wound'. She considers me too sensitive ( her my ) while I consider her too pushy, domineering and overbearing. I'm an artist and regard it a compliment that I'm considered 'sensitive'

Regarding your previous post, you've hit the nail on the head with the sexual magnetism. We both expressed, very soon after 'conjugation' that we had never known anyone as compatible as each other. She actually said to me on one occasion after a few weeks, in all sincerity, that "...although you annoy me sometimes, you've got a sexual hold over me now!". The Lillith element was certainly awakened in me. I felt that I had landed in sex heaven/hell, but the down side is that it was a bit too obsessive and overpowering. Our progressed charts (for the meeting day) show my her , and that is definitely how it has played out. I think the Lillith elements compounded the issue enormously, and it felt like a fatal attraction (bunny boiler, but I felt like the boiler, not her ).
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That there was a sense of fate between us was/is of no doubt.., to me. I sensed it very soon after meeting, (as did she, although she simply said in a surprised tone that she "felt very comfortable in my company" within about 20 mins of meeting), and the ease and familiarity between us was unlike anything I've experienced before. It was like two old friends coming together and carrying on where we left off. However, that didn't last very long before we began to display patterns (possibly also very old) which seemed to be revealing the mutual 'Father Wound'. She considers me too sensitive ( her my ) while I consider her too pushy, domineering and overbearing. I'm an artist and regard it a compliment that I'm considered 'sensitive'

Regarding your previous post, you've hit the nail on the head with the sexual magnetism. We both expressed, very soon after 'conjugation' that we had never known anyone as compatible as each other. She actually said to me on one occasion after a few weeks, in all sincerity, that "...although you annoy me sometimes, you've got a sexual hold over me now!". The Lillith element was certainly awakened in me. I felt that I had landed in sex heaven/hell, but the down side is that it was a bit too obsessive and overpowering. Our progressed charts (for the meeting day) show my her , and that is definitely how it has played out. I think the Lillith elements compounded the issue enormously, and it felt like a fatal attraction (bunny boiler, but I felt like the boiler, not her ).
Totally Lilith man conjunct female ascendant saying!!
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Totally Lilith man conjunct female ascendant saying!!
You know I had completely overlooked that aspect. I had focused on the DM Lillith elements.

What I would like to get some insight into, because I can't get any objectivity on it, is how I can move forward constructively. I'm having trouble working out how this is 'good' for me. I guess I'm saying that I don't understand the karmic element on my side. I saw and felt the link, but soon realised that she wasn't 'into me' in the same way that I was into her. She saw me purely as a sex object, while I saw in her a 'wife', for want of a better expression. I've never been keen on the idea of marriage, but I also never expected to be so coldly viewed as nothing more than a sex object to any woman. Even though I was aware of the Transiting Neptune opposite my Pluto, almost exact, (not a good time to begin a long term relationship apparently), I dove in head first and felt sure it would 'go somewhere'. Maybe you can provide some insight.
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You know I had completely overlooked that aspect. I had focused on the DM Lillith elements.

What I would like to get some insight into, because I can't get any objectivity on it, is how I can move forward constructively. I'm having trouble working out how this is 'good' for me. I guess I'm saying that I don't understand the karmic element on my side. I saw and felt the link, but soon realised that she wasn't 'into me' in the same way that I was into her. She saw me purely as a sex object, while I saw in her a 'wife', for want of a better expression. I've never been keen on the idea of marriage, but I also never expected to be so coldly viewed as nothing more than a sex object to any woman. Even though I was aware of the Transiting Neptune opposite my Pluto, almost exact, (not a good time to begin a long term relationship apparently), I dove in head first and felt sure it would 'go somewhere'. Maybe you can provide some insight.
Have you got my pms? We can discuss this on private before I take a leave for a week.
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