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Unread 11-24-2014, 06:30 PM
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Hi astrologers,

My financial situation has been dire for years and I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Since Jupiter in Leo entered by H8, things have taken a turn for the worse as I had to shell out $ to help out my parents. Neptune opposing my natal Moon in 2015 and Chiron going back and forth in my H2 don't seem to help either.

The last Mercury RX brought me back an old freelance gig, but the pay is low so I'm looking for more gainful employment elsewhere.

I wonder if and when I'll in a better financial position.

Any insights are greatly appreciated.
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Unread 11-24-2014, 09:07 PM
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I would think Jupiter in the 8th would bring good luck. Sorry, have no idea really.

I have transit Jupiter conj Pluto in my 2nd house and thought that might bring me money but I just lost my job!
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No, I don't think you are "destined" to financial "doom." That sounds pretty extreme and melodramatic.

Saturn is the traditional ruler of your second house of money, and Uranus is the modern ruler. An unconsidered Saturn square Pluto is not a good indicator for financial stability; nor is Uranus opposite Mars. Also your moon in the 8th house is in an intercepted sign, which might impact your ability to use your "gut feelings" to guide investments or shared money in a profitable way.

But you know the old saying, "When life hands you a lemon, make lemonade."

How can you turn those planets into your wisest teachers? Saturn teaches patience, self-discipline, and deferred gratification. Uranus is fundamentally about your personal liberation; and Pluto, about your capacity for self-transformation. All of these point to your developing and sticking to a new plan for managing your personal finances. Stop thinking of yourself as victimized by money and as a competent adult who can manage her resources in a competent way, whether your icome is large or small.

Your OP makes me wonder whether the real issue, however, isn't your money management (after all, you had enough saved to help your parents,) but rather your career. With Mercury trine Saturn, you appear to have excellent critical thinking abilities, so I hope you are able to use them to advantage.
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Unread 11-25-2014, 12:38 AM
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Re: destined for financial doom?

Do what I do and buy a lottery ticket every week.
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Re: destined for financial doom?

And have you made a profit overall, in terms of money spent vs. money made?

Gambling is a 5th house matter. Not everyone is cut out to be successful at it; and the odds are never in the gambler's favour, in any event.
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Re: destined for financial doom?

Somebody is winning all that money!
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Yes, but look at the odds of that person being you. Seriously. With the big pay-outs it's probably about the same chance as being hit by lightning. There is a reason why gambling is called an activity for the "mathematically challenged."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/lotteries-wha...-odds-1.775281

For most people, buying lottery tickets is a waste of money. Think of why governments run lotteries (as a way to increase their revenues,) and why casinos run on a profit-basis. They earn the big bucks from gambling, not the average person.

You can get some sense from a horoscope as to whether a person is likely to be a successful gambler (which includes lottery ticket buyers.) Gambling is a 5th house matter. Look at the planetary ruler of the sign on the 5th house cusp and its situation, as well as any planets in the 5th and their aspects. Ditto for the second house.

A bigger problem with people who actually do win a big lottery is that most of them have no idea how to manage money wisely. They have never developed their personal finance skills. Lottery earnings, like inheritances, normally get away from them.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/why-m...tune-1.1211569

Let's look at Skorpika's 5th house. It is ruled by Venus in the first, ruled by Saturn. Venus makes some nice aspects to the moon and Mercury, but it squares Pluto. Pluto squares Saturn, which opposes her ascendant. Not so good, as Saturn traditionally rules her second house and also rules poverty; and Pluto can indicate unwanted reversals so far as money is concerned. (Pluto rules the riches from under the earth, which can be helpful, but only if Saturn's self-discipline is rigorously heeded.) In contrast, Skorpika's 10th house of career is ruled by a domiciled Mars in the 3rd house of communications, and it houses her sun and Mercury. Mercury and Mars are retrograde, but this isn't bad for a career that requires reviewing information or fact-checking.
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For most people, buying lottery tickets is a waste of money. Think of why governments run lotteries (as a way to increase their revenues,) and why casinos run on a profit-basis. They earn the big bucks from gambling, not the average person.
I did a substantial study of this with my wife who has a generally lucky chart, more so than mine. Using a system I developed by trial and error using the lotto in Pennsylvania, USA, that had 7 three number sets to get for the big win, I was able to dramatically increase her chances. But even when she bought the tickets exactly when I said---within 2 minutes of the time I said(beyond that it didn't work), she still only got 2 or three of the seven numbers. She never got five or six or 7 which was where the serious money was.

I discovered that the key was that at any instance when she was buying she was competing with an enormous number of other people. Also my wife was not buying on her astro*cartography luck line either, which is important to do. The smaller the number in to pool of buyers, the greater her luck compared to others. The time of the lottery has nothing to do with the winning. Its the exact time that you buy the ticket.

So.... you need five things to win:

1. You have to have a basically chart natally

2. You have to be in a lucky period of your life. Some period of life are more lucky than others.

3. You have to be exactly on your Astro*Cartography luck line

4. You have to buy the ticket at an exact time when your luck is strong. Several minutes later it may fall to nothing

5. You have to by dumb luck choose a time when not only you have great luck, but that the other people buying within that two or three moments have either luck than you.
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It may be that some numbers are inherantly more lucky than others. So that when you have essentially two people with the same luck at the same time, the one with the luckier number wins. But this would be not the primary issue.

Also there actually are some numbers that you don't want to win with because they are distinctly a bad scene. The tv show LOST had a character in it like this and you can find people who won with loterry numbers that are a bad scene and everything went bad for them after they won. I chose the numbers she should use since I wanted the win, if she got it, to be nice to us, not nasty.

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Re: destined for financial doom?

Interesting, Zarathu. With Saturn as the ruler of my 5th located in the 12th house I don't think I'd be one of the lucky ones.
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I have Pluto in the 2nd H and my 5H is Scorpio so it means my chances are better, right?
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You have Jupiter in the 2nd sign. You should have abundant wealth provided you don't spend.

You spend too much, this is a tendency of Jupiter in the 2nd, you will spend extravagantly on little material items. If you don't do this you could have a generous amount of material possessions but you need to stop the extravagance.

You just had a Venus transit, you probably spent a lot during it yes?
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This is Skorpika's thread, folks. Perhaps you could start a different one.

Jupiter in the second house (or sign) on its own does not signify wealth. My ex husband had this placement and he got us seriously into debt. You have to look at how any planet is situated with respect to aspects, house rulerships, &c. If Jupiter's house is ruled by Saturn, then Saturn by its aspects and house placement will have a lot to say about how Jupiter functions.
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This is Skorpika's thread, folks. Perhaps you could start a different one.

Jupiter in the second house (or sign) on its own does not signify wealth. My ex husband had this placement and he got us seriously into debt. You have to look at how any planet is situated with respect to aspects, house rulerships, &c. If Jupiter's house is ruled by Saturn, then Saturn by its aspects and house placement will have a lot to say about how Jupiter functions.
Did he buy a lot of physical items? In other houses I would expect someone to spend extravagantly on health (6th), charity (9th), house things (4th) etc but 2nd tends to cause the native to spend extravagantly on simple items. What kind tends to be determined by the sign. Jupiter's a big spender and wherever he goes he will give a lot, possibly too much. I have Jupiter in the 7th and have given waaaaaaaaay too much of myself away in relationships.

I've also spent the most on business partnerships, legal partnerships and other such agreements which were costly. This has not always been a negative, Jupiter's expenses can bring exponentially growing abundance if done right.

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Scorpika,

Next autumn (2015) you'll have Jupiter giving you a fuller open doorway to walk through to better things financially. That is when it comes to its conjunction with your Moon (September-Oct). Jupiter will also be making a parallel to your Mars, so it will be reinforced very well.

Just avoid any tendency to jump at 'big money' bait. Neptune will be opposite the Moon when Jupiter nears the Moon.

Meantime, you do have some currently very good Jupiter transits (to Sun, Mars, Uranus), so you can make some progress. However, due to Saturn's transits conjunct/parallel your Sun (and parallel Jupiter recently), you'll have to make greater effort for less reward for a while. Just keep at it and know your talents will pay off.
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Hi astrologers,

My financial situation has been dire for years and I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.


Since Jupiter in Leo entered by H8, things have taken a turn for the worse as I had to shell out $ to help out my parents. Neptune opposing my natal Moon in 2015 and Chiron going back and forth in my H2 don't seem to help either.

The last Mercury RX brought me back an old freelance gig, but the pay is low so I'm looking for more gainful employment elsewhere.

I wonder if and when I'll in a better financial position.

Any insights are greatly appreciated.
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The 2nd house is the first house that most people aware of it importance in term of possessions and attitude toward money etc in a lower level. In higher level, 2nd hous also represents our personal values such as self-esteem etc.

The sign,
ruler of the 2nd house' cusp,
the ruler's location in the chart,
for and against aspects from other planets
are some basic cues.


2nd house represents how a native spends and save money and what kind of things this individual treasure the most. For example, ruler of the 2nd house in 2nd house, the native has stronger than usual urge to acquire security in both material or/ and spiritual.

In positive way, ruler in his own house has the greatest power, in 2nd house will motivate this native to learn the skill to earn stable income and even motivate other people to do the same.

In a negative way, this native can become overindulgent, desire for possessions, luxury, money and a life of ease can also blind this person and therefore as an obstacle this person may have difficulty to reach spiritual enlightenment.

However, what sorts of things this native really treasures about will depending on the planet/s in the house and sign as well as the aspects with other planets and the native's overall personality. After all, 2nd house is only 1/12 part of a person. We should also remeber current attitude and trends are also depending on the planteary period at the time.
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Let's look at Skorpika's 5th house. It is ruled by Venus in the first, ruled by Saturn. Venus makes some nice aspects to the moon and Mercury, but it squares Pluto. Pluto squares Saturn, which opposes her ascendant. Not so good, as Saturn traditionally rules her second house and also rules poverty; and Pluto can indicate unwanted reversals so far as money is concerned. (Pluto rules the riches from under the earth, which can be helpful, but only if Saturn's self-discipline is rigorously heeded.) In contrast, Skorpika's 10th house of career is ruled by a domiciled Mars in the 3rd house of communications, and it houses her sun and Mercury. Mercury and Mars are retrograde, but this isn't bad for a career that requires reviewing information or fact-checking.
Thanks for your analysis, Waybread. This is what I'm doing at the moment. Unfortunately, it's a freelance, dead-end job, not really a career. 6H/7H Saturn again? I haven't been able to use my "talents" to their full extent so far. I wonder if starting my own business down the line could be a viable option.
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Also there actually are some numbers that you don't want to win with because they are distinctly a bad scene. The tv show LOST had a character in it like this and you can find people who won with loterry numbers that are a bad scene and everything went bad for them after they won.
Well, Hurley picked the number of the Valenzetti equation so it's no surprise that thing were awry. Joking
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Scorpika,

Next autumn (2015) you'll have Jupiter giving you a fuller open doorway to walk through to better things financially. That is when it comes to its conjunction with your Moon (September-Oct). Jupiter will also be making a parallel to your Mars, so it will be reinforced very well.

Just avoid any tendency to jump at 'big money' bait. Neptune will be opposite the Moon when Jupiter nears the Moon.

Meantime, you do have some currently very good Jupiter transits (to Sun, Mars, Uranus), so you can make some progress. However, due to Saturn's transits conjunct/parallel your Sun (and parallel Jupiter recently), you'll have to make greater effort for less reward for a while. Just keep at it and know your talents will pay off.
Thanks for your analysis, Kannon.

So, in the end, it always appear that Saturn keeps putting restrictions. Perhaps this means that I should use the Saturnine energy by working hard and doing my best in spite of the meager results.
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Thank you all for your contributions.

I have a follow-up questions. My H2 and H8 are intercepted. If I'm correct, the energy/quality of intercepted planets is trapped and cannot be fully expressed.

Is there some way a person can overcome this? In other words, can one release the trapped energies?
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You have Jupiter in the 2nd sign. You should have abundant wealth provided you don't spend.

You spend too much, this is a tendency of Jupiter in the 2nd, you will spend extravagantly on little material items. If you don't do this you could have a generous amount of material possessions but you need to stop the extravagance.

You just had a Venus transit, you probably spent a lot during it yes?
Jupiter is in H2 using whole houses or while signs, if I'm not mistaken. When transiting Jupiter approached my H8, I did spend quite a bit of money, but it wasn't on frivolous items. I helped my parents (esp. my mother) pay off some of their debt.
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As for gambling in general (I haven't checked to see if there is a thread on the subject already on this forum), a chart that would be worth studying is that of billionaire/philantropist Theodore Joseph "Ted" Forstmann (February 13, 1940 November 20, 2011).

I couldn't find his TOB yet, but I'll keep looking. He paid for law school with his gambling proceeds. My hunch is that he knew how to gamble, but perhaps there also indication of luck (and wealth) in his birth chart.

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Skorpika, what line of work are you in now?

Intercepted planets do seem to have a boxed-in quality; but as to whether this effect is more apparent than real, you can run your chart through several quadrant house systems, and see whether the effect persists. Untenanted intercepted signs don't seem to have much of an effect.

Intercepted planets are fairly common. I think you can develop their gifts in the usual way (by considering empowering interpretations,) but just not to be disappointed if they don't seem to reach their full potential. With your partile Neptune-Jupiter sextile, you have some strong imaginative capabilities that you can harness.

If it makes you feel better, just switch over to a whole signs or equal house system, where interceptions are impossible. However, I think their effect is real: just one of those things.
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Tell us a little bit about what you do now, what training you have, etc.

Without this, everyone is shooting is the dark. Basically you are looking for a vocational analysis, but at age 41, you should be in a career.

So a little more forthcoming would be helpful.

And what Kannon says about your rounded inaccurate birth time is "spot on".

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Thank you all for your contributions.

I have a follow-up questions. My H2 and H8 are intercepted. If I'm correct, the energy/quality of intercepted planets is trapped and cannot be fully expressed.

Is there some way a person can overcome this? In other words, can one release the trapped energies?
No.

This is pop astrology misconstruing what interceptions mean. Interception -- widening of houses to include more arc space -- is exactly that, an enlarging, therefore an emphasis. I can show you the validated (fully verified) charts of many successful people and celebrities that show significant interceptions - involving houses and planets. These represent emphasis, not limitation. Expansion in any form always represents greater emphasis, not less.

It is simple, really. If you look for an insist upon constriction, blockage, you will find it. You will throw psychological stones in your path that were not there. If you apply persistence towards what you feel you must do and express energies essential to your life -- persistently -- then you will get where you need to go.

However, your chart is not accurate enough to be interpreting houses. If you are Capricorn rising at all, then the time you are using is not accurate and your Asc is actually many degrees off. I don't interpret houses for rounded times such as 10:30. I can tell you that time is considerably off, not simply because it is rounded, but because I did the necessary preliminary data checks before even answering and purposely excluded house-related information because of that.
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come christmas saturn asc lord as well as being lord 2nd for finances moves to sag 11th for gains trine jupiter leo
- may be gains through old friends or old people and saturnine pursuits. saturn significator for employment,

natal asc lord saturn 6th, saturn-ketu 6th prone to job separations, pain-injury-surgery heart-lungs-intestine etc


rahu-the node transit libra 9th, pars fortuna over 9th, may be luck through foreign travels, and need for pilgrimage.

ketu separative node transit mars own aries 3rd prone to impulsive actions, pain-injury-surgery-fire accidents impacting arms-shoulders-head, to care. jup leo trine aspect aries protective till mid-015. mars lord 10th for career too.


sun highest planetary deg scorpio 10th flair of the personality, sun-mer scorpio, secretive and sentimental,
research and occult aptitudes, fixed scorpio inimical for cap asc, career under stress-delays.


mars 2nd highest planetary deg factor for vocation over aries 3rd courageous, action oriented, involved with
communication tech, athletics, etc perhaps. mars aspect own scorpio 10th protective of career, research-occult aptitudes.

11th lord jup over acq first house, airy, uncertain, mystic, reformist, teaching-advisory aptitudes and gains through.

venus cap asc charming good-looking personality, cap ambitious and hardworking, asc lord sat 6th calling for extra efforts,
gemini 6th preference for analytical work environments, natal ketu-gemini hyper-analytical, paralysis through analysis perhaps.

venus lord 4th/9th taurus-libra over cap asc, perhaps aptitude for educational event management,
interior decoration, hotel management, artistic aptitudes, electricals-electronics-mechatronics etc


perhaps career and gains through teaching-research-reform-advisory roles in communication technology, astrology, etc although under stress-delays, calling for greater efforts, need to avoid job separations. mars aspecting own scorpio 10th protective of career. mars aries 3rd good at initiative, operations-projects management. moon virgo 8th perfectionist, investigative-research aptitude may be into psychology etc. moon lord 7th for business over 8th prone to losses,
ill health of spouse. mer lord 6/8 over scorpio 10th calling again for greater efforts.


hope venus lord 9th over the asc sustains luck, and jup acq first house protective of the chart,
jupiter trine aspect pars fortuna 9th libra. jupiter lord 11th for gains over first house.


hope come christmas jupiter trine asc lord saturn transit sag 11th brings gains. while rahu transit pars fortuna libra 9th
tends to fortunes through foreign travels perhaps/2nd transit from moon too.

saturn transit sag 11th sq moon however under stress/challenge while jup transit leo 12th from moon.
care for ketu transit mars aries avoiding impulsive actions and risk taking.


hope generic observations-inputs help take stock find helpful reflect further.

could share specific feedbacks in agreement/disagreements.


wishing better times come christmas,


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