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Unread 10-24-2014, 12:27 AM
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erm...All I did was assert that astrology may well have a good scientific grounding, but beyond our current understanding. If you disagree, fine, but then I don't see how it's an invalid point.....

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Are you a PhD level scientist? Are you a close relative to any PhD level scientist?

Your view of science is fine if that were what science had devolved into, but it has not. Science is now handled by politics not scientists. All research is funded and determined by not scientists by either corporations who are looking for something to sell, or some way to increase global power(such as Monsanto for example), or governments who have an agenda. Science has devolved into the religion of scientism.

Scientism is totally reductionist, and will never figure out how astrology works because astrology is an element of complexity theory, not reductionist theory.
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erm.....well you have your views, I have mine. Whether celestial objects control humans on Earth may be true, though this is all I am saying. I personally suspect it is, though it's not something I can prove, and this merely to answer the OP. The current paradigm of scientific inquiry is not perfect, but no human-based system is, or perhaps can be.
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Re: How astrology works

Maybe I should try not necessarily bring everything back to astrology. Although the fact that I study leads me to use it to answer everything.
There are cases where it is needed and others where the simplest solutions are the best. Each person is unique, I would not vulgarly generalize their features in terms of birth chart or anything else that could reduce their potential, which does not really correspond to how they appear to others directly.. Others often have ideas that are more in line with public opinion.

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"However, it doesn't make sense to say that astrology has no material basis."

Why doesn't it make sense?

To say this is to say that "I already have my view of what is and is not possible. I reject the possibility of a non-material basis for astrology beforehand."
Not a particularly scientific starting-point for one who "stands on the scientific method."

It doesn't make sense that a particle can be in many places at one time, or that observation of the particle leads it to behave in a certain way. Yet that seems to be the fact. Might this say that a particle can be affected by non-material means, that is by the simple act of observation?

And there is the phenomenon of "Entanglement" in which two related particles, regardless of the distance between them, act "in unison". There is no known material basis for this now-accepted scientific fact. This makes no sense at all; how can two particles light years apart act as if each knows what the other is doing with no material connection? Entanglement applies to the planets and to humans, because we are both children of the same solar system. We are "one", are related, and therefore entangled.

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My journey thus far about trying to understand how Astrology works is that ive been experiencing 'illumination after illumination'. My sense is that this will continue right up until my passing. This is comforting as it makes every day special A beautiful blaze of unity it seems to be!
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"However, it doesn't make sense to say that astrology has no material basis."

Why doesn't it make sense?

To say this is to say that "I already have my view of what is and is not possible. I reject the possibility of a non-material basis for astrology beforehand."
Not a particularly scientific starting-point for one who "stands on the scientific method."

It doesn't make sense that a particle can be in many places at one time, or that observation of the particle leads it to behave in a certain way. Yet that seems to be the fact. Might this say that a particle can be affected by non-material means, that is by the simple act of observation?

And there is the phenomenon of "Entanglement" in which two related particles, regardless of the distance between them, act "in unison". There is no known material basis for this now-accepted scientific fact. This makes no sense at all; how can two particles light years apart act as if each knows what the other is doing with no material connection? Entanglement applies to the planets and to humans, because we are both children of the same solar system. We are "one", are related, and therefore entangled.
I'm not a spiritual person..i made that clear prior. I don't have to defend my beliefs to people on a website.
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Re: How astrology works

I wasn't asking you or anyone else to defend anything.

However, as a scientific materialist.....answer the questions science poses for you.

Explain entanglement.
Refute Heisenberg.
Debunk the many experiments.

There is "something" out there that is tenuous and beyond the material.

That's "hard science" my friend,.. has nothing to do with "spirituality".

You come into the forum asking for opiinion or fact that will help explain "how astrology works," and then rudely dismiss anyone who disagrees with your prejudices. Nice work if you can get it.

Gosh, and I thought you came here to learn and share like most of us do.
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I wasn't asking you or anyone else to defend anything.

However, as a scientific materialist.....answer the questions science poses for you.

Explain entanglement.
Refute Heisenberg.
Debunk the many experiments.

There is "something" out there that is tenuous and beyond the material.

That's "hard science" my friend,.. has nothing to do with "spirituality".

You come into the forum asking for opiinion or fact that will help explain "how astrology works," and then rudely dismiss anyone who disagrees with your prejudices. Nice work if you can get it.

Gosh, and I thought you came here to learn and share like most of us do.
I shared my opinion, which seemingly offends you, but that's not my problem..... actually, all i have said in this thread is that astrology may be "real", but may work on grounds we cannot prove yet.....I don't get frankly your angry/subjective rants, and to be honest I'm not bothered, since I've done nothing than assert an opinion you do not like...

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Hi JUPITERASC,

Thanks for your input. The Doctrine of signatures is an interesting read. But I would like to break it down what it actually means:

This is a quote from the article you provided (doctrine of signatures):

'The doctrine of Signatures, therefore, refers to what is taught concerning the marks placed upon all creatures and things by stellar influences. The identity of all things may thus be recognized by the mark placed, or the signature impressed upon them by invisible influences'

This sounds complicated. But it is basically saying:
Changes in the universe (visible or invisible) make a direct change to life on earth. This change creates many unique changes. These unique changes are 'signatures'

I totally agree with this statement, this is why everyone is unique. But it does not explain why or how astrology works.


I would now like to extend my explanation further as to why astrology works:

Modern human beings have been on Earth about 250,000 years.

All life on Earth is forced to life by nature’s rules (i.e. change in seasons, weather, natural disasters, etc.)

Overtime we become in synchronisation with events occurring in space and the entire universe. We have to be in sync, as there is no choice!

Because our solar system runs like clockwork, it is therefore predictable. As we are in sync with the universe, we are predictable.

Predictability is increased when more statistical data is acquired. This is why weather systems are now predictable. Astrology will become more predictable once more statistical data is collected.

This data has been collected since astrology began thousands of years ago. We now have the tools to collect this data more accurately. Unfortunately science is not interested in astrology, science could progress astrology massively.

I read an article last month. It was about predicting crime before it happens. They worked out crime could be predicted if there was enough information. A computer could collect vast amounts of statistical data (all linked to crime behaviour). From that a prediction is made about where the next crime zone will be. I compare this to astrology.

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Maybe celestial objects emit some kind of ray or EM spectrum we don't know of, which can affect the human brain at the moment of birth. seems weird, but then we never know.
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Astrology is not considered 'scientific' in the West
HOWEVER
Vedic Astrology IS a science
Following a judgement of the Andhra Pradesh High Court in 2001, which favoured astrology
and
some Indian universities offer advanced degrees in astrology.

Important to be clear exactly what is being discussed
so do clarify in more detail for those who may not have understood
I guess it depends on how one defines science. I don't think astrology is a science in the way geology or sociology are. it doesn't test real life items, but then i don't see why it shouldn't be taught in universities. universities are for the pursuit of any knowledge, not just hard science. If they can have golf course management as a degree, then why not astrology?
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Question: How exactly does Astrology work?

ASTROLOGY is like religion. In religion there are several faiths. In Astrology, also there are several faiths. In religion, there are non-believers. In Astrology also there are non-believers.

How it works? Till date it is any body's guess. Many answers and in reality, no answer. More so because the question can branch into:
  • How exactly Western (at times called scientific) astrology work?
  • How exactly Vedic Astrology work?
  • How exactly Chinese Astrology work?
And every one has its multiple unrelated division.

In fact a planet might be in Sidereal Cancer and Tropical Leo. One person will say it must be influenced by Cancer, other person will say it must be influenced by Leo. So questions extends:
  • How come one guy says Cancer and the other guy say Leo? Whom to trust?
  • Why can't they resolve their differences?
But there are different systems evolved over period of time in different part of world due to some are common observations, such as.
~ With respect to ASC, Saturn's transit has "restrictive" influence in various houses
~ With respect to ASC, Jupiter's transit has "growth" influence in various house

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Unread 10-27-2014, 03:05 PM
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Re: How astrology works

Hello Everyone,

Wow, thanks for all your comments.

This forum has provided many theory's to how astrology works.

I totally respect each person's theory.

Although I have my own theory (which I discussed at the start of this thread), I would not disregard anyone else's. I am pleased that people consider the workings of astrology. Not only does this make you better astrologers, but also a potential innovator of astrology, someone who can push it forward!

Unless there is a proven scientific theory of astrology, it will always be based on personal experiences.

There are many systems of astrology, each astrologer has to find what works for them. I would be the first to admit that these systems are not perfect. This is why most astrologers such as myself use a variety of techniques, especially in predictive astrology. Combine these methods with good intuition, then you can make your best conclusion.


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