Is the Dow Jones/ Stock Market going to fall again?

JUPITERASC said:

obviously I make no claims to be an expert such as yourself

it is a fact however
that on our astrological learning forum
anyone, even a mere beginner
such as myself
is encouraged to post an opinion


the outers are not universally accepted for horary
nevertheless you are entitled to your persoonal opinion
just as everyone else is as well

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Pluto, in addition to being considered the judge of the souls of the dead as Lord of the Underworld, was also considered to be the god of all wealth derived from underneath Earth's surface.

Playing the Stock market is a gamble, relying on optimism. That's where Jupiter comes into it.

JUPITERASC said:

obviously I make no claims to be an expert such as yourself

it is a fact however
that on our astrological learning forum
anyone, even a mere beginner
such as myself
is encouraged to post an opinion



the outers are not universally accepted for horary
nevertheless you are entitled to your persoonal opinion
just as everyone else is as well

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crude oil does not come only in black. It's dark brown, yellowish, reddish, greenish Texture is mud/water.
Crude oil is formed from marine plants and animals. In Babylon they used crude oil as a glue to keep walls together. Plastic has petroleum.

"Oil is a fossil fuel formed from the remains of dead animals and plants"
ehmmm minor correction .... this is coal fuel NOT crude oil.

You said "Heat and pressure f.rom layers of mud and sediment
covering remains of dead plants and animals
transforms them into crude oil."
WHAT? Since when crude oil is landmass post-product? You just described COAL!
Coal is Saturn but NOT Crude oil!

What part of profits from (natural resources which is 2nd house) is 3rd house issues you dont understand?
You own 10 barrels of domestic oil, you want to sell it. Profits would be 3rd house! Where are you NOT connecting the dots?
I should mention that price of crude oil effects trasportation. Trucks need to be fueled. Ships need to be fueled. Planes need to be fueled. Export Import will be affected.

I dont object to your opinion but you are mixing 2 different fossil fuel types.

david starling said:

Pluto, in addition to being considered the judge of the souls of the dead
as Lord of the Underworld,
was also considered to be the god of all wealth
derived from underneath Earth's surface.

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not by William Lilly - irrelevant to horary as practised by William Lilly et al

JUPITERASC said:

not by William Lilly - irrelevant to horary as practised by William Lilly et al

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What did William Lilly have to say about the possibility of Nuclear Fusion energy replacing the use of Fossil Fuels for that purpose?

JUPITERASC said:

on the contrary

People often ask whether oil is made from dead animals
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists
to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms

The majority of petroleum is thought to come from
the fossils of plants
and tiny marine organisms.
Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.

i.e.
"….Even some of the dinosaurs may have gotten involved in some of this..."
says William Thomas, a geologist at the University of Kentucky.


question was asked:
IS DOW JONES/STOCK MARKET GOING TO FALL AGAIN?
profits from barrels of domestic oil are not the question

FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW
HOW IT WORKS
In the leading theory
dead organic material accumulates
on the bottom of oceans, riverbeds or swamps
mixing with mud and sand.
Over time, more sediment piles on top
and the resulting HEAT and PRESSURE
transforms the organic layer
into a dark and waxy substance known as kerogen...


"....It's certainly not an instantaneous process...."
Thomas told Live Science.
"The rate at which petroleum is forming
is not going to be the solution to our petroleum supplies"

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profits from stocks is 3rd house issue (increase or decrease)
It goes with everything
Stocks, commodities (fuel is part of it)/futures
that is why it is relevant because you can figure out what will be the crashing trigger.

Here in the chart, you have moon (lord of 2nd house) opposing PLUTO, JUPITER and SATURN (once moon goes into Leo)! Naturally strong essential and accidental MOON trines neptune then jams into pluto, jup, saturn with a HARD OPPOSITION. Let me remind you that that JUPITER is essentially in fall (its dispositor is lord of 8th house Saturn house of losses) about to go retro along with others.
Neptune is prominent here because it is elevated in 10th house. Moon cannot compete with Jup. Moon is not protected by Nodes it is not protected by Venus ..

The rest i wont argue cause you are not making any sense and I will keep getting google results copy-pastes from you. You are def an expert in this aspect.

tikana said:

crude oil does not come only in black. It's dark brown, yellowish, reddish, greenish Texture is mud/water.
Crude oil is formed from marine plants and animals.
In Babylon they used crude oil as a glue to keep walls together.
Plastic has petroleum.

"Oil is a fossil fuel formed from the remains of dead animals and plants"

ehmmm minor correction .... this is coal fuel NOT crude oil.
You said "Heat and pressure f.rom layers of mud and sediment
covering remains of dead plants and animals
transforms them into crude oil."
WHAT? Since when crude oil is landmass post-product? You just described COAL!
Coal is Saturn but NOT Crude oil!

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on the contrary

People often ask whether oil is made from dead animals
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists
to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms

The majority of petroleum is thought to come from
the fossils of plants
and tiny marine organisms.
Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.

i.e.
"….Even some of the dinosaurs may have gotten involved in some of this..."
says William Thomas, a geologist at the University of Kentucky.

tikana said:

What part of profits from (natural resources which is 2nd house)
is 3rd house issues you dont understand?
You own 10 barrels of domestic oil, you want to sell it.
Profits would be 3rd house!
Where are you NOT connecting the dots?
I should mention that price of crude oil effects trasportation.
Trucks need to be fueled.
Ships need to be fueled.
Planes need to be fueled. Export Import will be affected.

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question was asked:
IS DOW JONES/STOCK MARKET GOING TO FALL AGAIN?
profits from barrels of domestic oil are not the question

tikana said:

I dont object to your opinion
but
you are mixing 2 different fossil fuel types.

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FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW
HOW IT WORKS
In the leading theory
dead organic material accumulates
on the bottom of oceans, riverbeds or swamps
mixing with mud and sand.
Over time, more sediment piles on top
and the resulting HEAT and PRESSURE
transforms the organic layer
into a dark and waxy substance known as kerogen...


"....It's certainly not an instantaneous process...."
Thomas told Live Science.
"The rate at which petroleum is forming
is not going to be the solution to our petroleum supplies"

tikana said:

profits from stocks is 3rd house issue (increase or decrease)
It goes with everything
Stocks, commodities (fuel is part of it)/futures
that is why it is relevant because you can figure out what will be the crashing trigger.

Here in the chart, you have moon (lord of 2nd house) opposing PLUTO, JUPITER and SATURN (once moon goes into Leo)! Naturally strong essential and accidental MOON trines neptune then jams into pluto, jup, saturn with a HARD OPPOSITION. Let me remind you that that JUPITER is essentially in fall (its dispositor is lord of 8th house Saturn house of losses) about to go retro along with others.
Neptune is prominent here because it is elevated in 10th house. Moon cannot compete with Jup. Moon is not protected by Nodes it is not protected by Venus ..

The rest i wont argue cause you are not making any sense and I will keep getting google results copy-pastes from you. You are def an expert in this aspect.

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you're the expert obviously
not arguing - simply reminding that
none of the outers used by
William Lillly CHRISTIAN ASTROLOGY HORARY
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=zadkiel&f=false

JUPITERASC said:

on the contrary

People often ask whether oil is made from dead animals
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists
to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms

The majority of petroleum is thought to come from
the fossils of plants
and tiny marine organisms.
Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.

i.e.
"….Even some of the dinosaurs may have gotten involved in some of this..."
says William Thomas, a geologist at the University of Kentucky.


question was asked:
IS DOW JONES/STOCK MARKET GOING TO FALL AGAIN?
profits from barrels of domestic oil are not the question

FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW
HOW IT WORKS
In the leading theory
dead organic material accumulates
on the bottom of oceans, riverbeds or swamps
mixing with mud and sand.
Over time, more sediment piles on top
and the resulting HEAT and PRESSURE
transforms the organic layer
into a dark and waxy substance known as kerogen...


"....It's certainly not an instantaneous process...."
Thomas told Live Science.
"The rate at which petroleum is forming
is not going to be the solution to our petroleum supplies"
you're the expert obviously
not arguing - simply reminding that
none of the outers used by
William Lillly CHRISTIAN ASTROLOGY HORARY
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=zadkiel&f=false

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Are the ancient, Ptolemaic epicycles, still being used to describe planetary motion?

JUPITERASC said:

on the contrary

People often ask whether oil is made from dead animals
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists
to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms

The majority of petroleum is thought to come from
the fossils of plants
and tiny marine organisms.
Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.

i.e.
"….Even some of the dinosaurs may have gotten involved in some of this..."
says William Thomas, a geologist at the University of Kentucky.


question was asked:
IS DOW JONES/STOCK MARKET GOING TO FALL AGAIN?
profits from barrels of domestic oil are not the question

FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW
HOW IT WORKS
In the leading theory
dead organic material accumulates
on the bottom of oceans, riverbeds or swamps
mixing with mud and sand.
Over time, more sediment piles on top
and the resulting HEAT and PRESSURE
transforms the organic layer
into a dark and waxy substance known as kerogen...


"....It's certainly not an instantaneous process...."
Thomas told Live Science.
"The rate at which petroleum is forming
is not going to be the solution to our petroleum supplies"
you're the expert obviously
not arguing - simply reminding that
none of the outers used by
William Lillly CHRISTIAN ASTROLOGY HORARY
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=zadkiel&f=false

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again, you are missing a point but it's ok....

is dj going down -2000 points

answer is YES

david starling said:

Are the ancient, Ptolemaic epicycles, still being used to describe planetary motion?

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not in practice, David .. it is still used in traditional horary classes.
Deb Houlding teaches it
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/ptolemy.html
https://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2018/08/26/average-daily-motion-of-planets-in-horary/

tikana said:

crude oil does not come only in black. It's dark brown, yellowish, reddish, greenish Texture is mud/water.
Crude oil is formed from marine plants and animals.
In Babylon they used crude oil as a glue to keep walls together.
Plastic has petroleum.

"Oil is a fossil fuel formed from the remains of dead animals and plants"

ehmmm minor correction .... this is coal fuel NOT crude oil.
You said "Heat and pressure f.rom layers of mud and sediment
covering remains of dead plants and animals
transforms them into crude oil."
WHAT? Since when crude oil is landmass post-product? You just described COAL!
Coal is Saturn but NOT Crude oil!

Click to expand...

on the contrary

People often ask whether oil is made from dead animals
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists
to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms

The majority of petroleum is thought to come from
the fossils of plants
and tiny marine organisms.
Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.

i.e.
"….Even some of the dinosaurs may have gotten involved in some of this..."
says William Thomas, a geologist at the University of Kentucky.

tikana said:

What part of profits from (natural resources which is 2nd house)
is 3rd house issues you dont understand?
You own 10 barrels of domestic oil, you want to sell it.
Profits would be 3rd house!
Where are you NOT connecting the dots?
I should mention that price of crude oil effects trasportation.
Trucks need to be fueled.
Ships need to be fueled.
Planes need to be fueled. Export Import will be affected.

Click to expand...

question was asked:
IS DOW JONES/STOCK MARKET GOING TO FALL AGAIN?
profits from barrels of domestic oil are not the question

tikana said:

I dont object to your opinion
but
you are mixing 2 different fossil fuel types.

Click to expand...

FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW
HOW IT WORKS
In the leading theory
dead organic material accumulates
on the bottom of oceans, riverbeds or swamps
mixing with mud and sand.
Over time, more sediment piles on top
and the resulting HEAT and PRESSURE
transforms the organic layer
into a dark and waxy substance known as kerogen...


"....It's certainly not an instantaneous process...."
Thomas told Live Science.
"The rate at which petroleum is forming
is not going to be the solution to our petroleum supplies"

tikana said:

profits from stocks is 3rd house issue (increase or decrease)
It goes with everything
Stocks, commodities (fuel is part of it)/futures
that is why it is relevant because you can figure out what will be the crashing trigger.

Here in the chart, you have moon (lord of 2nd house) opposing PLUTO, JUPITER and SATURN (once moon goes into Leo)! Naturally strong essential and accidental MOON trines neptune then jams into pluto, jup, saturn with a HARD OPPOSITION. Let me remind you that that JUPITER is essentially in fall (its dispositor is lord of 8th house Saturn house of losses) about to go retro along with others.
Neptune is prominent here because it is elevated in 10th house. Moon cannot compete with Jup. Moon is not protected by Nodes it is not protected by Venus ..

The rest i wont argue cause you are not making any sense and I will keep getting google results copy-pastes from you. You are def an expert in this aspect.

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you're the expert obviously
not arguing - simply reminding that
none of the outers used by
William Lillly CHRISTIAN ASTROLOGY HORARY
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=zadkiel&f=false

tikana said:

again, you are missing a point but it's ok....

is dj going down -2000 points

answer is YES

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someone is definitely missing the point and it's ok

JUPITERASC said:

on the contrary

not arguing - simply reminding that
none of the outers used by
William Lillly CHRISTIAN ASTROLOGY HORARY
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=zadkiel&f=false

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Outers were not discovered in Lilly's life time.
This is a mundane horary chart, right? The impact of outers, especially Pluto can't be ignored. In particular we know what he caused in the past and eventually will cause in the future (Pluto conjunction with Saturn and Jupiter). Not only he has an effect on the pandemic, I put my 2 cents that this Jupiter/Pluto conjunction will cause a cascading down of the stock market...and this chart just shows perfectly what will happen in the next months.

JUPITERASC said:

on the contrary

People often ask whether oil is made from dead animals
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists
to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms

The majority of petroleum is thought to come from
the fossils of plants
and tiny marine organisms.
Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.

i.e.
"….Even some of the dinosaurs may have gotten involved in some of this..."
says William Thomas, a geologist at the University of Kentucky.


question was asked:
IS DOW JONES/STOCK MARKET GOING TO FALL AGAIN?
profits from barrels of domestic oil are not the question

FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW
HOW IT WORKS
In the leading theory
dead organic material accumulates
on the bottom of oceans, riverbeds or swamps
mixing with mud and sand.
Over time, more sediment piles on top
and the resulting HEAT and PRESSURE
transforms the organic layer
into a dark and waxy substance known as kerogen...


"....It's certainly not an instantaneous process...."
Thomas told Live Science.
"The rate at which petroleum is forming
is not going to be the solution to our petroleum supplies"
you're the expert obviously
not arguing - simply reminding that
none of the outers used by
William Lillly CHRISTIAN ASTROLOGY HORARY
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=zadkiel&f=false



someone is definitely missing the point and it's ok

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Hey Mr/Ms CopyPaste, you should check your sources first

The book you posted is .. MODIFIED EDITED
"First published in 1647, as Christian Astrology, this is one of the best known post-classical works on Astrology. the present edition, heavily edited by 'Zadkiel,' was released under the current title in 1852. As the planet Uranus ('Hershel'), discovered in 1781, is mentioned throughout, and Neptune, discovered in 1846, is not, we can bracket the date of composition of the revised edition to the mid-19th century."
https://www.sacred-texts.com/astro/aia/index.htm

this image attached is directly from the book which you claim to b traditional.
Hercshel is Uranus ... Its the only planet in our galaxy that completes 12 signs in 84 years.

Pluto was discovered in February 18, 1930. Zadkiel could not have known anything about Pluto in 19th century.

Remember i mentioned reddish crude oil?
https://www.insightfulpsychics.com/pluto-planets-astrology/
Scroll down to occupations: crude oil refineries and Pluto's colors it rules.
that's right: dark red color.


https://books.google.com/books?id=q...v=onepage&q=crude oil rulership pluto&f=false

ohh gee look there is a whole book written about moder planets and stock market .. ohh yeaah and ummm page 71 .. OOOPS I found whole section on PLUTO CRUDE OIL FUtuRES which I COvERED.

kalinka said:

Outers were not discovered in Lilly's life time.
This is a mundane horary chart, right? The impact of outers, especially Pluto can't be ignored. In particular we know what he caused in the past and eventually will cause in the future (Pluto conjunction with Saturn and Jupiter). Not only he has an effect on the pandemic, I put my 2 cents that this Jupiter/Pluto conjunction will cause a cascading down of the stock market...and this chart just shows perfectly what will happen in the next month.

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Kalinka.
take a look at 1929 crash.
Notice Pluto (19deg cancer)
We are at 24 deg cap and moving backwards
Whole 2020 astrologically is a mess.

Here is somethng wierd unexpected
October 3 - jup 18 cap - Saturn stationary 25 cap (going direct) and its midpont is literally pluto at 22 cap stationary to direct and Mars is retro at 24 aries hard hard aspect to that trio and sun at 10 deg libra
Now if you run a chart on october 14 .. sun and mars perfect an opposition at 20 libra/aries.Literally hair split from squaring pluto.

in AUgust we have Jup at 19 deg
Lunar eclipse in July at 13 cappie
and Jup and Pluto are in perfect conjunction.

Ohh this is fun *sarcasm*

T

tikana said:

Kalinka.
take a look at 1929 crash.
Notice Pluto (19deg cancer)
We are at 24 deg cap and moving backwards
Whole 2020 astrologically is a mess.

Here is somethng wierd unexpected
October 3 - jup 18 cap - Saturn stationary 25 cap (going direct) and its midpont is literally pluto at 22 cap stationary to direct and Mars is retro at 24 aries hard hard aspect to that trio and sun at 10 deg libra
Now if you run a chart on october 14 .. sun and mars perfect an opposition at 20 libra/aries.Literally hair split from squaring pluto.

in AUgust we have Jup at 19 deg
Lunar eclipse in July at 13 cappie
and Jup and Pluto are in perfect conjunction.

Ohh this is fun *sarcasm*

T

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I include Neptune's ingress into Virgo in Aug. 1929 as the reason for the term "Great Depression" regarding what followed the stock market's crash and burn.

david starling said:

I include Neptune's ingress into Virgo in Aug. 1929 as the reason for the term "Great Depression" regarding what followed the stock market's crash and burn.

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Yep since it was imaginary utopia

tikana said:

Yep since it was imaginary utopia

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Neptune is spiritual, not materialistic.

tikana said:

Kalinka.
take a look at 1929 crash.
Notice Pluto (19deg cancer)
We are at 24 deg cap and moving backwards
Whole 2020 astrologically is a mess.

Here is somethng wierd unexpected
October 3 - jup 18 cap - Saturn stationary 25 cap (going direct) and its midpont is literally pluto at 22 cap stationary to direct and Mars is retro at 24 aries hard hard aspect to that trio and sun at 10 deg libra
Now if you run a chart on october 14 .. sun and mars perfect an opposition at 20 libra/aries.Literally hair split from squaring pluto.

in AUgust we have Jup at 19 deg
Lunar eclipse in July at 13 cappie
and Jup and Pluto are in perfect conjunction.

Ohh this is fun *sarcasm*

T

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Also: "In the 1929 stock market crash Pluto was exactly conjuncting the Dow’s 12th house of loss."
https://astrologyandpsychicpredicti...ck-market-crash-of-1929-now-and-future-crash/

2020 seems to have similarities with 2007/08 financial crisis. In mid October 2007 the DJ did hit its peak when Jupiter was at 15Degree in Sagittarius but then approaches to Pluto conjunction, which was on December 12.On this day "The Federal Reserve instituted the Term Auction Facility to supply short-term credit to banks with sub-prime mortgages."and the market begun to fallen down.

Hey everyone, so don't know if you heard but Buffet had his investor meeting yesterday and it was NOT good. Berkshire is down $50B but is up I believe around 1% in operating profit which is great. He commented all the normal pleasantries like America is going to be fine long term, etc, etc, but he said some things that really caught ppl's attention.

What I found interesting is that he sold ALL his airline stocks- his perspective is that their currently too many planes and it will take 3-4 years for travel demand to recover. The other interesting takeaway is that he's currently sitting on $137B cash, so when the market supposedly hit it's first "bottom" at the beginning of April, he didn't buy in, like he normally would. So normally, I would have written off the airplane stock sales as a simply asset reallocation, example, its much more profitable to be in Amazon right now (even with them investing all their profit back into their business), but it looks to be like he chose to keep cash.

If this thread wasn't created, my next question would be... well why? Even if he's betting on America LT, he certainly doesn't seem to be doing it ST.

Net- net... tomorrow should be red.

Oh, and he mentioned that oil is going to go down because "it doesn't pay to drill." He said that oil production doesn't work at -$37/ barrel but it doesn't work at $20/ barrel either. lol Okay, just adding some additional context to this. So, what I just learned today is that USO has 43 thousand contracts in June, which is 90K July contracts (apparently because of some reverse split). Apparently a ton of retail money is flooding the market and created a demand around futures. I didn't realize that oil well's have to produce at minimum 60% capacity (min threshold) or else they that have to cap the well which is incredibly expensive. So now, there's speculation that there might be a black swan event with crude oil. They are assuming this is going to happen in June or July.

I think this speaks to the moon/ Pluto opposition we saw.

I'll continue to update if anything stands out to me.

WisdomJoy said:

Hey everyone, so don't know if you heard but Buffet has his investor meeting yesterday and it was NOT good. Berkshire is down $50B but is up I believe around 1% in operating profit which is great. He commented all the normal pleasantries like America is going to be fine long term, etc, etc, but he said some things that really caught ppl's attention.

What I found interesting is that he sold ALL his airline stocks- his perspective is that their currently too many planes and it will take 3-4 years for travel demand to recover. The other interesting takeaway is that he's currently sitting on $137B cash, so when the market supposedly hit it's first "bottom" at the beginning of April, he didn't buy in, like he normally would. So normally, I would have written off the airplane stock sales as a simply asset reallocation, example, its much more profitable to be in Amazon right now (even with them investing all their profit back into their business), but it looks to be like he chose to keep cash.

If this thread wasn't created, my next question would be... well why? Even if he's betting on America LT, he certainly doesn't seem to be doing it ST.

Oh, and he mentioned that oil is going to go down because "it doesn't pay to drill." He said that oil production doesn't work at -$37/ barrel but it doesn't work at $20/ barrel either. lol

Net- net... tomorrow should be red.

I'll continue to update if anything stands out to me.

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kalinka said:

Maybe :-D To be honest - I don't know

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Exactly - even experts are puzzled

the following is an expert opinon from a stocks astrologer:

"....US stock market has undergone severe correction
during the period February 21 to March 24, 2020.
The market has also undergone a sharp recovery during March 25 to April 18.
I now think that some kind of volatility can continue from month to month.
For example, May can be good
but June and July may be bad.
August can be very good,
September can be bad etc...."
http://stockastrologer.com/