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redwolf481 said:
Actually you are right, I double checked and around July time of 2006, Pluto was at 23 Sagittarious. When this whole confusing phenomenon happened to me, pluto conjuncted my Neptune at 23 Sagittarious exactly. And then for the next 18 month or so it went forth and opposed my Venus at 28 Sagittarious, then retrograding back and forth.
In my case, our "phenomenon" happened between July to October 2006, but dragged on all the way to April 2007. Can you believe this? With many mind games, confusing actions, blocked energies in contact, culminating finally in one "date", which was fantastic! And then the confusing stuff begin again. Finally...I killed it, and blocked all communication with him. I couldn't take the mind games anymore. It was tortuous for me, and was literally turning me from a happy, sexy gal to an insecure headcase. I guess you can say it was part self-protection (cancer placements), and part judicial revenge (Uranus in scorpio close to the ascendant and many libra placements). Even though I did this, in the past 2 years there was not one day I didn't think about him...even if it was for a split second and later controlled.
To this day, I still have no conclusive evidence he feels anything for me in reality. I mean my gut tells me he was crazy about me, but I dont trust my gut. I need words and consistent actions to believe it. There were times he looked at me so deeply, emotions he felt and I can feel it too, one time with tears in his eyes for a split second (Scorpios dont tear up easily) - my intuition and water planets dont miss stuff like that! But then there were other times when he was rude, inconsistent, indirect in actions, didn't contact me for month and he's never told me he liked me. Even all the positive evidences in astrology and all I know about astrology cannot convince my internal skeptic 100%. That's why I understand your virgo girl very well.
I think what you went through may have been "more powerful" than what R. and I went through, or maybe the end goal may be slightly different. Only time will tell here.
I've read somewhere that when Venus trines or sextiles Pluto, two individuals can choose another lifetime to be together. (I think it was in one of Linda Goodman's books.) But when Venus conjuncts Pluto, there is absolutely no wait - two individuals must come together in this lifetime!
(Now I am not a big believer in this pastlife/ future life stuff, but you get what I mean. I also do not agree with Linda's concept of Venus-Pluto being twin souls. Like I said again, Venus Pluto is only one facet, however passionate, on the entire spectrum of love. I think the twin soul concept is too superficial and over-simplified for a subject that is much more complex and deep for our limited understanding. Robert P. Blaschke, for example, does amazing and multi-faceted research on metaphyscial astrology that just blows me away! ...to the point that his last book "Holographic Transits" will take me years to fully comprehend. Anyways...I am digressing here...).
What I wanted to say was that, with all the research I have done on Venus Pluto, I understand the connection so much more now. In traditional astrology, Venus and Pluto has always been interpreted to change people in a drastic way - hence the oftentimes overused word "transformation" found in most astrological text.
You see, people are bought into our lives as "transformational" events, to spur a particular course of action or development. However painful, happy, terribly extruciating, enlightening, inspiring, etc. The mathematical algorithms in the Universe's plans are larger than me, you, and all of us.
She was an event in your life and you in hers. The end goal (in a Venus Pluto connection) was to bring about a change that was all-consuming (think the destruction of Pluto) and never would have happened if that single, but extremely sensitive note had not stroke.
In time we will understand it, and put the pieces together. But not during the time we were going through it, with the limited comprehension we have currently.
In my case, this experience, however emotionally and mentally exhausting, has turned me into the person I am today:
1.) I made leaps and bounds in the study of astrology.
I made more progress in the span of 8 month than the last 13 years of my young adulthood. What started out as an attempt to understand and map R.'s psyche quick sanded to a devouring of Asteroids, fixed stars, Davidson composite, solar returns, transits, progressions, metaphysical astrology etc.
R. offered me so little clues for closure, and my underlying propeller so powerful, that I had to utilize all my venues to obtain answers and some semblance of control for what will satisfy me. I hesitate to say talent was uncovered, but perhaps a natural, psychological proficiency to dig deep.
And I would say with all the new found knowledges, it shifted my world view. Before it was ego-centric, I was the girl who thought I would get everything I want because, well, I am just special with a special destiny (I am not kidding!! That was my world view). This has humbled me. I now understand how things really work in regard to universal operations, why things happen, and why things have happened in my past.
I made more progress in the span of 8 month than the last 13 years of my young adulthood. What started out as an attempt to understand and map R.'s psyche quick sanded to a devouring of Asteroids, fixed stars, Davidson composite, solar returns, transits, progressions, metaphysical astrology etc.
R. offered me so little clues for closure, and my underlying propeller so powerful, that I had to utilize all my venues to obtain answers and some semblance of control for what will satisfy me. I hesitate to say talent was uncovered, but perhaps a natural, psychological proficiency to dig deep.
And I would say with all the new found knowledges, it shifted my world view. Before it was ego-centric, I was the girl who thought I would get everything I want because, well, I am just special with a special destiny (I am not kidding!! That was my world view). This has humbled me. I now understand how things really work in regard to universal operations, why things happen, and why things have happened in my past.
2.) I now understand the depth of a different kind of love. Exhausting mind games aside, I experienced what you experienced - a fusion of energy operating against my will, with passion, longing, obsession and at times – a deep and aching pain.
Many novels have delineated this effect. I can remember Emily Bronte’s Wuthering Heights, Oprah book club’s The Bridges of Madison County - in my belief are all expeditions on the Venus and Pluto phenomenon.
I’ve enjoyed them vicariously. I now understand them - having personally experienced the overtones.
In time I hope to come full circle, and understand why this was a necessary experience in my overall development.
One thing, can you PM me your birth time info (and hers) so I can review it? The charts that were posted a while back had expired. I like to do a davidson composite on both your birth times to see how your relationship may unfold...in time...and what potentials there are.Many novels have delineated this effect. I can remember Emily Bronte’s Wuthering Heights, Oprah book club’s The Bridges of Madison County - in my belief are all expeditions on the Venus and Pluto phenomenon.
I’ve enjoyed them vicariously. I now understand them - having personally experienced the overtones.
In time I hope to come full circle, and understand why this was a necessary experience in my overall development.
I really do wish you the best of luck. Something inside me still believe in happy endings....and there would be nothing that would make me happier than hear that your Venus Pluto experience had a great ending.
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) I know that doesn't sound the best, but its true, in my circumstance as well.) You see, when the Venus Pluto thing happened, you both have this powerful undercurrent of feelings that was scary, then blocked and never been bought to the open. There were only suggestions of it through body languages, tones, a look here and there, and all those subjective, non-verbal stuff that is left to imagination and interpretation, which can be dangerous when overdone. Then, out came the blocked actions, more misunderstandings. Again with no explanation as relief. Frustration boils. There's only so long two people can tolerate this type of environment before going a bit insane. 
