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Dr. Erik Verlinde says, “For me gravity doesn’t exist.”
In a recent paper he expounded on his theory.
Erik Verlinde, 48, a respected string theorist and professor of physics at the University of Amsterdam,
contends that gravity is indeed an illusion
and has caused a continuing ruckus among physicists,
or at least among those who profess to understand it
I have read Immanuel VelikovskyScientific community never accepts anything that shakes the foundations of modern science. Very few scientists are actually humble and say we have been doing it all wrong but most of them have too much ego to accept anything that destroys their reputation and guzzle tax payers' money.
Have you read any book by Immanuel Velikovsky?
I have read Immanuel Velikovsky
and for those who dislike reading
just one of the many Velikovsky videos on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zHRjh1npkY
If you mean allopathic western, YES.Would ancient wisdom obviate against modern medicine?
one has freewill to choose to benefit greatlyI heard about the book Christ Conspiracy by the same author. To me it does not matter if Christianity is real or made up religion but the angels from Judaism seem very real and their magic works, so is the Solomonic magic. I think we will end up wasting our time to find the roots of all knowledge and magic while we can use them to improve our lives.
It is like the ancient gods do not care which religion humans associate them with as long they are given respect.
What is your opinion?
An astrologer’s job is to only read what the chart says but not tell a native what s/he should do...
fate is providence which ensures our lives play out exactly as planned by providence. Free will is restricted to minor things that are in no way contributing to your fate...
fate has the power to correct the course in an individual's life and also the world at large. Yes journey may be left to an individual but the destination will be the same.
normal dictionary definition of fate = the development of eventsQuoting lostinstars over several points:
As has been mentioned before on this thread, it's important to first define your terms before engaging in discussion.
Normal definition of fate in terms of a person's life: Incidents in the person's life are pre-determined and will play out exactly as planned. The person can in no way deviate from them in any way.
how much choice aka "freewill" a person hasSince it is clear that this is NOT the way the world works
there is the idea of "free will":
A person has a choice in what they do in their own life.
In all discussions of "fate"
there must be at least SOME acknowledgement of "free will"
(whether or not it is mentioned) in order for the discussion to match reality.
The question is NOT whether "fate" or "free will" operates in a person's life.
The question is how MUCH of a person's life is "fate" (events are pre-determined) vs. "free will" (events are chosen).
Traditional astrologers work WITH clientsTraditionalists tend to say that a person's life is MOSTLY fated and only very FEW things have to do with "free will". The DESTINATION is a constant, but the JOURNEY can vary. The astrologer's job is to simply point out the DESTINATION and leave it up to people to decide which JOURNEY they take to get there.
Modernists tend to say that a person's life is MOSTLY fated UNLESS THEY BECOME AWARE of themselves and their tendencies. Then the person can ADJUST themselves so their life better aligns with who they are inwardly. In this case, with the help of an astrologer or leaning astrology on their own, the JOURNEY is a constant, but how the person USES the journey can change the person's DESTINATION. Modern astrologers believe you are fated to have the chart you have, but if you are AWARE of that chart you can USE it to get to a place that best fits who YOU are.Traditionalistic astrologer Christopher Warnock's stated attitude is, in so many words, that Fate conquers all, so let us all surrender to Fate. And, that to do otherwise is both futile and egocentric, and leads to unhappiness and dissatisfaction with life.
Some modern astrologers get caught up in terminology and insist on calling modern astrology "psychological" as a way to distinguish it from traditional astrology (which emphasizes fate over free will). But this distinction can confuse people since the point is NOT about the "psychology" (which is a separate field) but about the CHOICE people make on what to DO with their chart. For this reason, the phrase "choice-centered astrology" has become more common to replace the confusing "psychological" astrology term.
Traditional astrology acknowledges that along the wayHowever, since Modernists take the OPPOSITE approach to astrology than Traditionalists do there is a LOT of fighting between the two about how little or how much fate affects a person vs. how much or how little free will affects a person. The attraction of Traditional astrology is it gives certainty, since the goal is to predict the destination. The challenge of modern astrology is it gives UNcertainty since the destination depends on where the person decides to go and what they do to get there.
and soThis suggests that fate is like inertia: do nothing to change your life and your destination is fated.The more KNOWLEDGE you have of your situation (through astrology or some other means)"Free-will" doesn't include the precept
that one can break all the rules with impunity.
Where did anyone get that idea?
Actions have consequences, whether they result from a free-will choice,
or are not under our own control.
the more ability you have to use free will to affect the OUTCOME of your life.
and so
for example
traditional astrology is frequently used for deciding on fortuitous times to act
best time to buy a new home
travel to another country
have medical treatment
and so on
originally "Traditional" astrology was the sole form of astrologyTraditional astrology was most popular
at a time when people's lives WERE fated
because no one could do anything to change the outcome of their life:
kings would stay kings and peasants would stay peasants.
to be realisticKings were born into power
and didn't want to give it to anyone not in their family
and peasants were too busy trying to stay alive
to be concerned with learning things.
Later, when knowledge became easier to come by,
astrology began to change its purpose, moving from telling people about their unchanging,
fated life to telling people about the things they MIGHT do.
Fate - You broke a bone, got stitches for a cut, bumped into someone from the past
Free will - You chose to take or not take the job, you chose to stay or leave your spouse.
Fate just happens, free will you choose your path.
Traditional astrology tried and tested over thousands of yearsJupiter,
That's exactly it.
There is always Traditional astrology for those who have the money
to hire an astrologer who understands all the complex Traditional rules.
"modern popular" astrology is firmly based onBut for the rest of us, there is Modern astrology, a self-evident, easy to learn system
that powerfully reveals the opportunities and pitfalls around us, so we can use our energies in the best possible ways.
The reason that modern astrology is so prevalent it has become "entertainment"
is because it is so simple and powerful.
traditionally, the "sun-sign" of a person is skimming the surfaceEVEN understanding JUST the sun-sign of someone
puts you ahead in understanding them
as opposed to someone who knows NO astrology about them.
And IF someone makes a LITTLE bit of effort
they can quickly be posting VERY helpful statements
to total strangers based on nothing more than the astrological chart posted.
In this way, modern astrology enables people
to deeply help other strangers simply and powerfully.
About the simple powerfulness of it all,
Tim
Everyone "likes basic certainty in life"For people who like certainty in their lives,
this new, changeable method of astrology is disturbing.
using traditional methods there is not SOLELY ONE answer for the personInstead of supplying ONE answer for the person, choice-centered astrology
can offer MANY answers and possibilities.
traditional astrology explores the various possibilities with clientsThe astrologer in modern astrology works MUCH closer with the client,
since the role of the astrologer is to help the person explore these possibilities
to see which answer best works for them.
you said that the client interprets the chart for themselvesThis choice-centered approach
also turns the control of interpreting the chart from the astrologer
over to the person
traditional astrologers involve their clients in the processwho is constantly involved in the process to see which possibilities "work" for them.