wilsontc
Staff member
personal and generational, to Kaousei
Kaousei,
You said:
So we do agree that the outer planets can affect individuals. Perhaps it is a matter of how much it affects individuals. As we agree, there are situations in which a person will feel the outer planets more strongly and personally, so making blanket statements such as "the outer planets are less personal" is very clearly not true in all situations. As you say, if a "person's chart is colored with a specific member of the Outers (or perhaps more than one) regarding house position and aspects to by the Inners" then they could be very personal indeed. For example, if these outer planets "gang up" on the Ascendant (self), then the person may be able to personally use all the outers' energies.
Which brings us to the idea of "personal" and "generational". If something affects a person "personally" then they are immediately aware of it and see it in their life. If something affects a person "generationally" then they STILL experience it, even if they are less aware of it. And, yes, it DOES affect the person themselves...things that affect the "world" affect us, since we are in the world. It comes down to a matter of how "tuned in" a person is to the effects of the outer planets. If something affects a "group" (or a generation) it also affects the people IN the group. If a group of people all identify with certain "generational" things, then they also both individually identify with those things as well.
Which raises the question, what is the difference between "Inner" (so-called "personal" planets) and "Outer" (so-called generational planets). As you mentioned, it is all about time. The "personal" effects of transiting personal planets are one-off and quickly gone. They are the "day to day" challenges that we can easily handle: for example, if we have a Mars transit, we might feel angry for a few days and then the anger goes away. The "impersonal" effects of transiting outer planets are longer-lasting...and much more strongly felt.
As you say, when you have a Uranus transit it lasts a LONG time. And during that time the full power of the sign and the house are in effect. The sign is important since it colors the effect of the outer planet. So, for example, when transiting Uranus hits (conjuncts) your Descendant (others), there is a STRONG, LONG lasting effect on how you handle others. The way this energy comes out will be affected by the sign of Uranus, which will interact with the sign on the cusp of the Descendant. When Uranus is in one sign and the Descendant is in another, the challenges of the Uranus energy will be much more strongly felt, since the Uranus sign will "fight" with the Descendant sign. Once Uranus moves into the sign of the Descendant, the "fight" is over and things seem more "normal" to us, even though we now have this new Uranian energy affecting how we inter-relate with others.
So we have to always consider sign, planet and house in astrology, no matter which planet it is. Arbitrarily throwing out one of these important parts of astrology because it is "generational" only hurts our ability to fully understand the energy and lessons of the chart and the transits to the chart.
Generationally personal,
Tim
Kaousei,
You said:
Are they less valid? No. Are they less personal? Yes. Uranus spends about seven years in each Sign, will that affect the world? Definitely. Will it affect individuals? I don't see it happening, unless that person's chart is colored with a specific member of the Outers (or perhaps more than one) regarding house position and aspects to by the Inners.
So we do agree that the outer planets can affect individuals. Perhaps it is a matter of how much it affects individuals. As we agree, there are situations in which a person will feel the outer planets more strongly and personally, so making blanket statements such as "the outer planets are less personal" is very clearly not true in all situations. As you say, if a "person's chart is colored with a specific member of the Outers (or perhaps more than one) regarding house position and aspects to by the Inners" then they could be very personal indeed. For example, if these outer planets "gang up" on the Ascendant (self), then the person may be able to personally use all the outers' energies.
Which brings us to the idea of "personal" and "generational". If something affects a person "personally" then they are immediately aware of it and see it in their life. If something affects a person "generationally" then they STILL experience it, even if they are less aware of it. And, yes, it DOES affect the person themselves...things that affect the "world" affect us, since we are in the world. It comes down to a matter of how "tuned in" a person is to the effects of the outer planets. If something affects a "group" (or a generation) it also affects the people IN the group. If a group of people all identify with certain "generational" things, then they also both individually identify with those things as well.
Which raises the question, what is the difference between "Inner" (so-called "personal" planets) and "Outer" (so-called generational planets). As you mentioned, it is all about time. The "personal" effects of transiting personal planets are one-off and quickly gone. They are the "day to day" challenges that we can easily handle: for example, if we have a Mars transit, we might feel angry for a few days and then the anger goes away. The "impersonal" effects of transiting outer planets are longer-lasting...and much more strongly felt.
As you say, when you have a Uranus transit it lasts a LONG time. And during that time the full power of the sign and the house are in effect. The sign is important since it colors the effect of the outer planet. So, for example, when transiting Uranus hits (conjuncts) your Descendant (others), there is a STRONG, LONG lasting effect on how you handle others. The way this energy comes out will be affected by the sign of Uranus, which will interact with the sign on the cusp of the Descendant. When Uranus is in one sign and the Descendant is in another, the challenges of the Uranus energy will be much more strongly felt, since the Uranus sign will "fight" with the Descendant sign. Once Uranus moves into the sign of the Descendant, the "fight" is over and things seem more "normal" to us, even though we now have this new Uranian energy affecting how we inter-relate with others.
So we have to always consider sign, planet and house in astrology, no matter which planet it is. Arbitrarily throwing out one of these important parts of astrology because it is "generational" only hurts our ability to fully understand the energy and lessons of the chart and the transits to the chart.
Generationally personal,
Tim
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