With due respect to your thoughts, Alice, this kind of makes man(kind) more powerful and significant than Nature on which in a sense the astrological framework depends. And by nature I do not just mean Mother Nature, but also other divine factors including God, Time etc.
I mentioned that most of the methods of rectification passed down to us by the ancients were not viable if a birth was medically assisted because this assistance interfered with the natural cycle. I felt that people were wasting their time trying to test them if they haven't determined if the birth was natural.
At the times these methods of rectification were worked out, there was no such thing as the level of medical intervention we experience today. Almost all births were natural because there was no other way. Sometimes babies got stuck in the birth canal and this disrupted the natural time of birth, though, if they were successful live births they still had some connection to the family astrological patterns - however the methods rectification would not apply to them either.
I have spent a great deal of my practice helping couples who were having difficulty conceiving find the correct time to do so - and with considerable success; as a result have learned a very great deal about the astrological processes of conception and birth.
I have learned that conception is only possible under specific astrological signatures - even if IVF is used - and that the birth of the child is directly connected to the time and date of conception.
This is the normal natural cycle on earth and possibly the universe.
Interference with this natural cycle has become increasingly common and often produces great suffering. I have countless stories of women who were induced and consequently suffered very difficult childbirth; babies whose brains were traumatized through some methods of pulling them out of the birth canal - and so on.
Planned C-sections are the worst as they may pull a baby out into the world at times that have no correlation with the astrological patterns in the family line and consequently give difficulty in relating to the family.
I don't know if this is the result of a greater plan or not, but I do know it is an abuse of the baby itself and its family line. Human beings are good at abuse and often don't care for their own or other species at all - look at the long history of slavery and cruelty in our species and our stupidity in not seeing the terrible, long term consequences of these actions. Possibly this is also part of a long term plan for our evolution, but its malefic effects make me wonder about the type of beings that would institute such a plan.
Also, we assume that the method as described by various in various way is perfect. Science and technology has indeed become seemingly powerful but thousands of infants die at birth despite human interventions, as well as deaths occur despite the most timely and skilled and knowledgeable interventions by doctors, surgeons etc, and at the same time unexpected recoveries and miracles (health area) do get observed and really not so infrequently.
Yes, and this is a good thing. I am very much if favour of science and technology, but not in favour of its uses that are based on ignorance and produce dreadful results. For example, currently we have discovered that the fuels we use are causing havoc in the ecology of the world with projected long term disaster for the life forms of this world, but we are too greedy and stupid to insist on using better, more ecologically viable fuels.
I have never been against skilled intervention when births are dangerous - babies born through this kind of intervention often still have strong connections to the astrological patterns of the family, though they do not have the normal signatures of natural births and do not respond to methods of rectification based on natural cycles of conception and birth.
So, why should one assume that the man(kind) has so much power and control over the moment of birth when at the other end of the journey and even during the journey, such power weakens?
We have always controlled all facets of life to the best of our ability. Many people choose their own time of death (suicide) and some choose the time of death of others (murder).
I realize we are carrying a somewhat theoretic discussion about a very complex phenomenon which has at best been anecdotally tested and we despite all the theories and hypotheses do not really understand, nor can bring out documented evidence that is uncontestable.
Well, Ray Murphy has done a huge amount of astrological statistical research that does give very interesting results, but no-one seems all that interested.
So, perhaps we should leave (and tolerate) a zone of flexibility and curiosity in our minds when we come too close to figuring out how really astrology works
Believe me, the more I know about astrology the more I realise just how much I don't know! It is a vast and profound area of study that constantly stimulates the mind. Never-the-less I have been studying it with real life people and events for a very long time and know a great deal about the astrological signatures of the cycles of birth, life and death.
(I do not mean the techniques, but the infrastructure, the actual modus operandii) which we probably do not understand fully, but trying our best to fill in the gaps between the dots in order to make and see a pattern! Which, ironically, is true for most of the constellations that do not essentially look like the shapes that we human beings had been *seeing* for millennia and are so convinced that we begin to focus on the 'accepted' shapes somewhat concretely, as opposed to it symbolisms?
Western tropical astrology is not based on the constellations but the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. The signs of the zodiac are the Earth's energy field. I too wonder about the viability of constellations as other cultures have their own constellations of stars that are quite different to those we use.
It is easier, given the material and physical realm we all live in and its conventions and framework that influence most of us every moment of the day and night, to question the verity behind there being a suprahuman hand behind the moment of birth
Who knows! Speculation is always interesting and many people like to think that there is a benefic god who oversees everything. When we look at human history and human cruelty to its own and other life forms I tend to doubt this.
just as it is easy to question the verity of astrology since subjected to a blinded test, even great astrologers seem to do not so well, and lesser ones fail even more. For evidence of that if you visit Dymon Brock's interesting astro-quiz site, despite given the birthdata and four or five events and a date to figure out which of those 4 or 5 actually happened, with the result published a month later, the nominal success rate has been 1 in 3 or worse!
Dear Dymock - such a wonderful man whom I knew and greatly respected. Generally he got excellent results from age harmonics.
I always questioned these tests as variables sometimes made them very hard to call. I like forecasting the results of football games and am very often correct, but variables in these events also make them hard to call at times. The best way to see what I mean is to actually do the work rather than assess the results.
The moment of conception, is another interesting fact, but the bigger fact is that it cannot be objectively detected reliably, yet! Perhaps some day when a non-intrusive nano-camera transmitter can be implanted in utero and science to the best of my understanding is not there yet and perhaps not even interested in such a potentially risky exercise.
Well, people conceived on that days I gave them - I even gave them times to have sex with good results. Babies born naturally from these times fitted the astrological signatures of rectification that I use. That's the best I can offer right now, but it convinced me.
Alice