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Trump wanted to be coronated as king. Instead, he's been corona-ted.
LOL! good one. Is he using covid19 to install a dictatorship? Western Europe is becoming a militarized hyper-socialist multiplicity under lockdown and economic decline. Would this happen to the USA as well? I find interesting European societies (my father's French while I live in So CA US) have a more epic history than the US not accustomed to extreme disasters like the covid19 pandemic. France has a history of wars, occupations, plagues, depressions, terrorism, ethnic warfare, famines, dictatorships, corruption and theocracies a lot more than the US (we had the American revolution in the 1700s, the US civil war in the 1800s, the Great Depression and WW2 in the 1900s, and 9/11 in 2001). I feel being an American, I'm the least likely (among other nations) to have such an epic history of crises, tragedies and extreme disasters, it caught America off guard to have a pandemic we usually expect in an underdeveloped country.

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I feel being an American, I'm the least likely (among other nations) to have such an epic history of crises, tragedies and extreme disasters, it caught America off guard to have a pandemic we usually expect in an underdeveloped country.
And what an irony that at 750k confirmed cases and almost 40k that did not survive, America seems to be most underdeveloped in handling this pandemic. Sad really. However, given Europe and America (which mainly constitute the developed Western world) are having it the toughest during this pandemic, perhaps one of the messages of this pandemic is: time to get a grip on those egos and eat the humble pie, and stop associating certain things with only certain political geographies, which sort of divides the world in a condescending manner.
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And what an irony that at 750k confirmed cases and almost 40k that did not survive, America seems to be most underdeveloped in handling this pandemic. Sad really. However, given Europe and America (which mainly constitute the developed Western world) are having it the toughest during this pandemic, perhaps one of the messages of this pandemic is: time to get a grip on those egos and eat the humble pie, and stop associating certain things with only certain political geographies, which sort of divides the world in a condescending manner.
Not fair! You have to factor in the constant exposure in the U.S. to a President with a sickening personality. He just won't stop broadcasting his disgusting aura, or show any concern for anything except the economy regarding how it will affect his chances for reelection.

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Not fair! You have to factor in the constant exposure in the U.S. to a President with a sickening personality. He just won't stop broadcasting his disgusting aura, or show any concern for anything except the economy regarding how it will affect his chances for reelection.
Well then the CDC site needs to clearly highlight the risk of orange fever and develop a vaccine against it
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In response to SARS 1 in Canada (2003) and the H1N1 swine flu in Mexico (2009) both have Chinese origins, the US developed a National Pandemic Response Team under the Obama administration in 2014 to combat a possible pandemic to ever strike the US modeled on Canada's and Mexico's. However, Trump fired them in 2018 and this made us more vulnerable to a pandemic than ever before...or the most than any other country, developing or not.

But, my state CA and other west coast ones like WA, OR, HI and AK always had a special pandemic plan, knowing China and East Asia has a tendency to have coronavirus-type pandemics develop there for decades. This is probably why CA managed to not be hard-hit than let's say NY state and the Northeast corridor. And geographically, WA state borders Canada and CA borders Mexico.

My county Riverside have 2,600 cases - second to Los Angeles, demography in Palm Springs where we have many senior citizens, HIV/AIDS patients, higher population density and children with respiratory diseases in farm areas. The SF Bay area was the month's American epicenter of covid19 a month ago, but there are like 1,000 total reported cases in Santa Clara county since San Jose is Nor Cal's largest city.
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And what an irony that at 750k confirmed cases and almost 40k that did not survive, America seems to be most underdeveloped in handling this pandemic. Sad really. However, given Europe and America (which mainly constitute the developed Western world) are having it the toughest during this pandemic, perhaps one of the messages of this pandemic is: time to get a grip on those egos and eat the humble pie, and stop associating certain things with only certain political geographies, which sort of divides the world in a condescending manner.
Compared to one case in Jan, a 1000 in end of Feb, 150k in end of Mar and now 750k (CDC and other sources place a range from 620k-780k) cases. The USA is a large country the size of continental Europe where there are now over a million cases. There are active cases, recoveries (dismissed from hospitals, but not home quarantines), deaths (again at hospitals, nursing homes and private homes) and estimated numbers who are asymptomatic carriers. The USA has shown lack of preparation, open information and a tendency to deny covid19. I'm not sure if China where the virus began was more affected than the USA.
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Compared to one case in Jan, a 1000 in end of Feb, 150k in end of Mar and now 750k (CDC and other sources place a range from 620k-780k) cases. The USA is a large country the size of continental Europe where there are now over a million cases. There are active cases, recoveries (dismissed from hospitals, but not home quarantines), deaths (again at hospitals, nursing homes and private homes) and estimated numbers who are asymptomatic carriers. The USA has shown lack of preparation, open information and a tendency to deny covid19. I'm not sure if China where the virus began was more affected than the USA.
Sorry, but that large country bit is illogical for me. I live here and am more than aware of the problems of large USA. Since China is a sore example, let us look at India- now that is huge compared to USA. We are comparing 1.3 billion with what a mere 332 mill. And over and above that the US is supposed to be wealthier, tech more advanced, much more space so population is more spread out, etc. and has simply failed to curtail this pandemic and that is the real truth of the matter regardless of how one tries to defend the US. Case closed.
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Not fair! You have to factor in the constant exposure in the U.S. to a President with a sickening personality. He just won't stop broadcasting his disgusting aura, or show any concern for anything except the economy regarding how it will affect his chances for reelection.

Other countries and their leaders are broadcasting what this man does in our country. The hypocrisy, the lack of help to his own people, etc.


Its rather embarrassing,
but then again I recall flying for my very first trip to Egypt back in 2004, and sitting next to a young Egyptian man who was dual citizens of the U.S. going home to visit his parents in Alexandria.


I spent the entire 10 hours practically, flying over the ocean, apologizing for G.W.Bush and his fake war in Iraq. When we were back there in 2016, once again, I was apologizing for even having someone as a potential for a once great country like the U.S.A. with a nominee such as DJT. This was in the Fall, because my husband's birthday was October, and before the Presidential Elections.


When Britishers, visitors from Scotland who was our neighbor there, and even the Egyptian landlord asked us "how could the U.S.A. of all countries, have such a nominee?" We seriously, could not imagine it ourselves, and said, "Don't worry, he'll NEVER get in."


Boy did we underestimate people's stupidity in the USA then. I always use to tell my husband (a Libra Sun cj.Neptune cj. Venus in 11th house, with Scorpio Rising. "you aren't realistic enough, and you give people FAR too much credit "..... .........and this time we BOTH did.
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Other countries and their leaders are broadcasting what this man does in our country. The hypocrisy, the lack of help to his own people, etc.


Its rather embarrassing,
but then again I recall flying for my very first trip to Egypt back in 2004, and sitting next to a young Egyptian man who was dual citizens of the U.S. going home to visit his parents in Alexandria.


I spent the entire 10 hours practically, flying over the ocean, apologizing for G.W.Bush and his fake war in Iraq. When we were back there in 2016, once again, I was apologizing for even having someone as a potential for a once great country like the U.S.A. with a nominee such as DJT. This was in the Fall, because my husband's birthday was October, and before the Presidential Elections.


When Britishers, visitors from Scotland who was our neighbor there, and even the Egyptian landlord asked us "how could the U.S.A. of all countries, have such a nominee?" We seriously, could not imagine it ourselves, and said, "Don't worry, he'll NEVER get in."


Boy did we underestimate people's stupidity in the USA then. I always use to tell my husband (a Libra Sun cj.Neptune cj. Venus in 11th house, with Scorpio Rising. "you aren't realistic enough, and you give people FAR too much credit "..... .........and this time we BOTH did.
Never forget, the MAJORITY of the American people did NOT elect him. And, the mainstream media was saying that there was NO WAY he would become President, all the while giving him over a $Billion in free publicity.
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Never forget, the MAJORITY of the American people did NOT elect him. And, the mainstream media was saying that there was NO WAY he would become President, all the while giving him over a $Billion in free publicity.

You are correct of course, that damned, easy to buy off votes of the no longer needed backfiring for the Dems twice now, "Electoral College" as though we are still in the mid 1700s or something




After reassessing myself, I think what we may have misidentified in giving the people too much credit is the GREED inherent in this Capitalistic system, BUT even HRC worked hand in hand with Wall Street bankers and does Biden through lobbyists.





IF it were Bernie, I might understand logically, the "fear" but in 2016, it was HRC and (except for me, and perhaps a few others), I read the tea leaves correctly at least knowing people truly did hate her like they did President Obama. Sadly, many of my teenage year childhood age friends never grew up and are Trump people via hating Hillary and being (I suppose) racists at the same time. Truly sad to know this now. You don't picture people you were so close to turning out with totally opposite values concerning the larger collective. But then again, they never moved from the same old same old mentality nor neighborhood. They never bothered to travel outside of Maryland (they all say, "whats there outside of Crabs, Maryland and "miniature America?"....Well, how about a larger perspective?




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According to so many I've read in the Astrology field, most seem to think the planets favor Trump, but even though he does have some great Trines working in his favor with Jupiter and Venus both, perhaps this is only about his eventually "getting off" what he fears the most, which Wm. Barr may save him from countrywide, the personal lawsuits all waiting for the end of Trump's reign.
After all, today's Polls taken (WSJ, NBC, etc) have him losing to Joe Biden by about 8-10 points although that may be a bit wide for comfort considering the undercurrent and underhandedness that goes on we aren't privy to.





The question I have, is can Joe Biden pull this thing off, considering how he is not on TV everyday as Trump is, hogging up all the air time and taking full advantage right now, under the guise of CoronaVirus updates?



Biden by comparison reaching the people has been problematically, MIA.



On November 3rd, 2020:


Joe Biden also has Tr. Jupiter 21:28 Capricorn Trine to his MC 19:54 Virgo. Other then this, I see nothing big for him. Anyone else?



Is this enough this time around?



I use to have ALL the past 70 years worth of natal charts for Election Days for the General Elections, but somehow, my computer now shows only a "blank" document, after ALL that work!!!



I did however, save this much info from the past Elections from the news at that time- But in all honestly, both 2008 and 2012, were kind of slam dunk and easy calls: (Will they also have another get together this year considering the Corona Virus?









"At UAC in 2008 a similar panel took place, and the astrologers on it were unanimous in predicting that Obama would win the election. As a result of that precedent, expectations were high for this panel. The panelists included:"

  • Gary Christian, representing Uranian astrology and Cosmobiology.
  • Edith Hathaway, representing Indian or Vedic astrology.
  • Nina Gryphon, representing Medieval and Renaissance astrology.
  • Claude Weiss, representing Modern western astrology.
  • Chris Brennan, representing Hellenistic astrology, on behalf of the writers of the Political Astrology Blog.
In the end, the five panelists were unanimous in predicting that Obama would win the 2012 election.
For more detailed coverage of what happened on the panel, including a video recording of most of it, see the UAC 2012 presidential panel article on the Political Astrology Blog.
The presidential panel got a decent amount of media coverage once it was over, and in fact most of the media coverage earlier in the week before the panel even took place was largely focused on the election. Here are the two main articles that were published once the panel was over and then widely circulated by the media:
· Most of the panelists placed a high degree of certainty on their forecast, but a few pointed to potential difficulties Obama may face after his predicted re-election.
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How did the panelists do in 2016?
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Listen....try comparing the U.S.of A. Chart with Trump's for the Election. Because if Trump wins, it's over for the U.S.A.

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How did the panelists do in 2016?
I don't think they've met yet?.....thats what I was wondering, if they would this year?


Here is some more notes I made back then: From what I recall ALL of the above panelists said Obama would win and of course, he did. But like I said, it "seemed" back then, to have been cut and dried as to the natal charts Transits & Progressions....for the nominees.


Some did not for some reason use the easier charts - like Jim Eshelman and his followers, tried to use the Quotidian which they were very nice (Tim was), to teach to me and believe me I"m not an easy person to teach! l With my Mercury Sun Mars in Capricorn, I'm a slow learner



But the Quotidian chart for some reason simply didn't pan out that time.



article by Curtis Manwaring

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-files/election2012.html

In his concluding passage he said:

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If the standard rules that winning the seat of president indicate favorable astrological conditions, then I would have to say that Obama has the edge. If a connection to specific dates through the releasing is an indication, then Romney might pull off an upset. As it is I cannot say for certain, but I think Obama will win a 2nd term; because as Watson and Brennan have said, the election date falls on a mirror of Romney's participation in his fathers loss against Barry Goldwater that repeats on election night; and because he has shown a propensity to be horrendously out of step with the zeitgeist of the times under such periods. So I would suspect that in the month before the election, Romney feeling pretty good says some things carelessly that he will later regret due to his Mercury retrograde in fall. However, as incomprehensible as it seems currently, I do think that this election is going to be a close one and there could be a Truman/Dewey style upset announcement that later gets reversed due to Mercury retrograde or some similar dispute over election irregularities. It is also hard to imagine Romney's profections this year (Sun, Mercury, Mars all handing over to Saturn) being supportive of becoming president. In any case, Romney has some very favorable things going for him in 2016 so if he was to win this election, it could indicate that he would stay for 2 terms. If not, we might see him win the next election if he decides to run. )

note:

*** as it turned out, 2008saw John McCain with Sarah Palin, a terrible choice!
and 2012 was Obama vs Mittens Romney:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_U...ntial_election






Note: Now years later we can assess this post and say it was TRUE after all, that Romney likely realy hurt himself, by "saying some things carelessly"...which "later he will regret due to Mercury rx in fall"

ACTUAL ROMNEY FAUX PAS - DURING THE RUN FOR PRESIDENT 2012:

Maybe that was when he didn't realize he was being taped and the tape would get out of the room he was addressing when he said the rest of us in society, (those who didn't work or were on Social Security, etc. were not contributors to Society or something really nasty - he also said something along the lines that people who are from other countries do not belong here, and should "self-deport". i recall he was in a room full of rich friends who donated to his campaign.
(typical Republican nastiness)

He also said something about his own Economic Plan would be the "Bush Plan", which of course, ended up pushing us all into the 2008 Recession (almost a depression) .




I was asking my husband who has better recall and memory then I do, what exactly did Romney say or do that got him in so much hot water back then. He also reminded me of England, as soon as he & his wife got off the plane in England, he insulted the English!!

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2012/07/mitt-romneys-insults-and-mistakes-while-at-the-london-olympics-arent-gaffes-as-much-as-a-fair-representation-of-his-worldview.html

Mitt’s insults, mistakes, and blunders abroad aren’t gaffes. They actually represent his true worldview.

By Fred Kaplan
July 27, 2012

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Mitt Romney’s not-so-excellent adventure abroad (“Romneyshambles,” the Brits are calling it) has been many things: shabby, hilarious, scandalous, an enlivening hoot to a dreary election season. One thing it shouldn’t be, though, is surprising.








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Sadly, the mafia mentality of the Democrats and their insistence that there is only one way of doing things - science, diversity, civil liberty, human interest - is pushing all sorts of people out of the party. Democrats will like you abstractly, only in theory, but not in person. Look at how they are attacking the Swedish approach, as though putting millions of people into poverty is more justifiable. Dissenters have nowhere to go but the Republican Party, which is repressive in principle but welcomes weirdos. It’s the Democrats who are going to give us another term of the reptile’s presidency. They consistently cede the high ground.

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Sadly, the mafia mentality of the Democrats and their insistence that there is only one way of doing things - science, diversity, civil liberty, human interest - is pushing all sorts of people out of the party. Democrats will like you abstractly, only in theory, but not in person. Look at how they are attacking the Swedish approach, as though putting millions of people into poverty is more justifiable. Dissenters have nowhere to go but the Republican Party, which is repressive in principle but welcomes weirdos. It’s the Democrats who are going to give us another term of the reptile’s presidency. They consistently cede the high ground.



Just for the record, I can see why people are distrustful of them as a "group". They tend to give us wars and the cusp of Aquarius, should start to push us away from both these old materialistic parties, and bring in a new one (ideally) speaking. I doubt it will happen that fast however. <My preference is the Independent Party nominee, Sen. Sanders.


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Listen....try comparing the U.S.of A. Chart with Trump's for the Election. Because if Trump wins, it's over for the U.S.A.



This one I had in my file, looks promising? Its for November 4th, 2020 - the day after:

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Tr. Jupiter trine the Sun -
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Sadly, the mafia mentality of the Democrats and their insistence that there is only one way of doing things - science, diversity, civil liberty, human interest - is pushing all sorts of people out of the party. Democrats will like you abstractly, only in theory, but not in person. Look at how they are attacking the Swedish approach, as though putting millions of people into poverty is more justifiable. Dissenters have nowhere to go but the Republican Party, which is repressive in principle but welcomes weirdos. It’s the Democrats who are going to give us another term of the reptile’s presidency. They consistently cede the high ground.
What is the "Swedish approach"?
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What is the "Swedish approach"?
Sweden’s approach to coronavirus.

The Democrats have been desperate to discredit all interpretations or non-tyrannical public health strategies.
They’re out there in force critiquing antibody studies because they want a vaccine. How do you measure vaccine-conferred immunity? (Wait for it.. no, can’t wait... off to the next bit of clickbait that sounds sciencey.)
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The Democrats have been desperate to discredit all interpretations or non-tyrannical public health strategies.
They’re out there in force critiquing antibody studies because they want a vaccine. How do you measure vaccine-conferred immunity? (Wait for it.. no, can’t wait... off to the next bit of clickbait that sounds sciencey.)
You think it's time to relax the restrictions in the U.S.? The general attitude seems to be that the restrictions are saving lives, especially the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.
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I think the current restrictions are theft, and poverty will cause more suffering than Covid deaths. I would not feel this way if we had universal health care, basic income, and support for local economies that would mitigate global disasters.
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On April 15th, Senate Democrats authorized a bill that would provide $30 Billion for Covid-19 testing.
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I think the current restrictions are theft, and poverty will cause more suffering than Covid deaths. I would not feel this way if we had universal health care, basic income, and support for local economies that would mitigate global disasters.
Democrats are much more likely to institute those policies than Republicans, though.
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Democrats are much more likely to institute those policies than Republicans, though.
For Social Justice:

The Democrats gave us Social Security, Medicare, Overtime Pay, Minimum Wage, Federal Deposit Insurance, Civil Rights


Republicans gave us Giant Tax breaks for the rich, Wars...in recent years it seems perpetual wars (i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan)







**exception may be Vietnam with JFK sending advisors, but I think Eisenhower was first, and he was a Republican.



Neither party is great, but as David said the Democrats do more for the common people then Republicans ever did.
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Re: USA Nov. 2020 Presidential Election, the Democrat Party Contenders

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I think the current restrictions are theft, and poverty will cause more suffering than Covid deaths. I would not feel this way if we had universal health care, basic income, and support for local economies that would mitigate global disasters.

Senate Democrats are now looking at possibly calling for a $2,000 monthly stipend? for people over 16, affected by covid 19. I don't know the details yet or if it can even be passed & signed. The news said for 24 months or however long necessary.
That, imo would make a lot of sense, for those out of work at least, would not have to worry so much. Yet, as you say, one serious health threat would still wipe out the $24,000.00 per year easily.



I think the National Debt is also now through the roof!!! The Debt will come due.
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