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The other one has a documentary about his life out there and you'll probably find it in Blockbuster....no joke. I dont want to give the names of the people though.

The "documentary" is more on the funny side though even though it is a documentary. He's quite the personality. :rotflmao:Hes been on TV as well and is a real hollywood socialite, for good or Ill.
Not the guy I was thinking of I was thinking of Ron Jeremy.
I saw him the other day on a reality show on MTV that my brother was watching. Hes a pretty funny guy, like if you ran into Ron Jeremy on the street and had a chat or something, the last thing you would think is this guys a pornstar. At first glance you'd probably guess that the guy sold refrigerator maginets or something.

Chart two I was thinking someone who was less in the spotlight and this guys on tv all the time.

Chart 3 I would have never guessed it was Ali although the chart fits him well.

Chart 4: I had a funny feeling but I wasn't sure I was thinking chart 3
I really thought this guy had a bad childhood or something smothering ya know. He doesnt seem to fit the profile I had in mind.

So for me its back to the drawing board somewhat.

Thank You Draco for the charts, its been interesting me being a beginer and all, there's so much to learn and unlearn as well.
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EDIT: Draco where did you get these charts I like the style there easier to read then I expected at first. Ive seen them before somewhere but dont remember the name of them or where. -Tsquare


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If he had had Black Moon Lilith conjunct Jupiter in Gemini in the 10th , he might also have said ‘I’m the greatest’ and changed his name to a more spiritual one, losing his true identity. As it is BML forms an out of sign grand trine with Sun-Uranus-Neptune. He may have been the example for others to follow ‘to be just like him’.
You said ATHLETE, Draco ! I honestly didn't associate the chart with Mohammed Ali - ex Cassius Clay - although I had checked his chart during my BML research. I think the BML postion you gave may have been different to the one I have, which I'm sure had Jupiter-BML within a 6 degr. conjunction.

But I did get athlete right. 1 out of 4? I'm satisfied.

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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

:banana: :39: :56:.

For Tim, who got all 4 right! Phenomenal.

Nearly everyone else got 1 right, and A.M, Carole and T-square got 50% right.

I really need to take some lessons from all of you.

That many went for the Porno star in chart 1. That 1st house Mars in Scorpio must have said it all.

Congrats everyone.

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I really really need lessons!!! I got not one right, so back to the drawing board for me. Lucky I dont do this for a living.....

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:53:Begginers pride..... Its useless..... yet I must yell from the rooftops with a bottle of Rum (shirly temple)...(sissy man), being as it may never happen again......

I got em all right!

But like flea said, Im glad I don't do this for a living.
My guesses were really, really, really, loose, Tims were spot on, and Im waiting for his mystery chart to slap me in the stupid, grinning face. :87:
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EDITOh yeah...good job everyone! Im still going over all of them to see what i missed that everyone else picked up off the charts, and I missed alot of stuff.

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Well Done Tim, you Master Astrologer :68:

I was just reading up in my book, on solar eclipses before birth, I have a Pisces prenatal Solar eclipse and this book tells me I am so psychically well developed, I have a natural gift of intuition. My hunches are accurate. I am beginning to think my chart is not working I am sending it back for repair.

I am supposed to have these psychic intuitions, yet a Virgo beats me :13:. Oh Well technical skill and analysis won through . I am secretly so competitive, I can't bear losing. Even though it's not meant to be about who was right or wrong. I still lost :sulky face: I will be in a mood all day now.
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Yesss I got one right! Feels like heaven for a lousy beginer like me!

Oh well but I mistaked the medium for the adult movie star...I will now retreat in my room and die in shame for a little bit .
And yes,a applause for Tim!:banana: (this was the closest to an applause I could find ).
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Now that I have won, I will have to claim my reward! And my reward is...everyone who guessed HERE coming over to MY thread http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ead.php?t=5414 and guessing about the mystery chart! Step right up, everyone's a winner!

Drumming up business,

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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

Draco:

Thank you very much for having given us this great opportunity to put to work what we learn from the books!!!!

Tim:

You have impressed me. Congratulations!

Frisiangal:

Thank you and congrats to you too!

And congratulations to the rest for your right guesses and the effort!


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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

Draco,
I demand a re-try due to false information.

I checked the birth dates from the website provided and the position of MEAN Black Moon Lilith changes from the positions given by 4-5 degrees in charts 1-3 (otherwise I might have found it a coincidence with Ali) and the position in chart 4 is a whole sign!

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Well, finally we know it all!! I am happy to have guessed 50% as well! Especially happy that I guessed the serial killer as being the 4th chart! Messed up the actor and the athlete, but that was difficult! Both very physical, showy and full of themselves! Probably Ali was also most interestedin sex! The medium was actually easy for me, there was no doubt there. I really enjoyed it all. Thanks once more Draco and congratulations Tim! Star.
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I wanted to respond to the outcome of this post, if i may. i wrote this response quickly and from pure impulse and i saw the first as athletic, (i should have added handsome) and called him an athlete. The second i called psychic and he is. The third i called a killer, "fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee and i fight like..." And the fourth chart, woo, i called him the **** star and he killed his family and others close to himself. Pluto trine mars, so i guess there is a degree of righteousness about pluto trine mars. Pluto in the eleventh house is in this case a striking out at the group. Somehow all this added up to this person who chose to strike out at others. I wonder what his family was like? Or what kind of care he received? How much does one's nurture or upbringing play into the affairs of life? I appreciate Tim in his clarity around #4's chart.
And now there is so much talk about the shift we are all going through with our entire solar system within the Milky Way Galaxy and i wonder if we all are at a turning point in terms of our ability to altar our DNA, our consciousness at this time. And i think Muhammed Ali is a great example of someone who surmounted overwhelming odds to become the "champion" in life and a great provider for his family and this capricorn lives to tell about it. It's great to find so much resonance within this thread and all of your responses. I feel we are finding out how all of us are part of the same human thread. If we are able to collectively point to an anonymous chart and see these tendancies, what does that say about the fatedness of our lives? And yet these are the ways in which these individuals saw fit to do with what was their "nature". I appreciate the thread and the time each of us spent working on this as a team of astrologers solving a puzzle together.
And one more thought, it would be interesting to find some people with these same birthdays and places to see what they've made of their lives.
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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

Also, i said that the medium was dead because of pluto passing over his moon and saturn and i've had pluto squaring moon and pluto lately. I had an astrologer friend tell me this was a good thing in terms of recognizing my purpose here and yet i have dragged through and dreaded the process. This friend said that it depends on how the planet that transiting pluto hits is configured with the rest of the natal chart and in Van Praagh's case they are in good aspect.
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Hi all.

I've been needing to get back on this but haven't been able to access the 'net for a couple of days.

This was a fascinating thread. The real objective of the exercise wasn't to guess who was who correctly as such, that was just a springboard to give inspiration for something to look for. Well done thought who did guess correctly, which I suppose puts the icing on the cake, but the beauty lay in the descriptions rather than the guesses. The beauty of the exercise was in the descriptions given about each person, even when the 'wrong' person was being described, often, what was said could relate very well to the person who the horoscope actually belonged to. A skeptic would say that this is because you could relate just about anything to anybody, but I don't think this is so, reviewing the thread makes this clear.

What some people described was definately easy to relate to whose horoscope it was, things that could be taken for granted, other things were more thought provoking, and that we could never confirm one way or the other. There wasn't anybody that did not have anything of any significance to say. It's so interesting to re-read the thread in light of who the people actually turned out to be, which shows that if the guesses were wrong, the descriptions seldom were.

I wanted to do this, as I used to be only into horary, but now I'm expading my antennae into other areas, and I'm finding natal astrology more and more intriguing, and partly in this exercise, I wanted to see how each person goes about a chart. I never had this with horary, but I hesitate with natal interpretation, lack of confidence I suppose, but everyone else gives it a shot, so I should too. It's just horary is so simple, it cuts straight to the heart of a very specific matter, the answer is usually either, 'yes', 'no', 'probably', 'probably not', and sometimes, 'I've no idea!'. Natal astrology can be infinately more complicated, you can see worlds within worlds in a horoscope, and where do you start, or where do you finish for that matter?

I think that's why I lean to traditional techniques, but Virgo that I am, with a Saturnian Lord, I need a strict method to follow, I need 'rules'.

I think I made a mistake in choosing three types that come under the rulership of Mars. Like many have said, the **** star could still be thought of as 'athletic' in a sense, Ali could still be thought of as a 'killer', in that his career was aggressive and confrontational, so the killer, the boxer and the **** star, probably were not the easiest chart to differentiate. I thought I had picked a good mix, but didn't realise I had selected to many strongly martial types until I had posted, but that's was perhaps my own astrological make-up drawing me toward these types. It's is perhaps the least fashionable planet, but I am thoroughly intrigued by Mars and his charges.

The reason the charts all belonged to men and I didn't mention Okum's sexuality, is because trying to seek out sex and sexuality in the chart would only make it more difficult a task than needs be, I didn't want it to turn into a 'let's find the gay one' exercise, and personally, I don't believe that sex and sexuality can be ascertained in the chart anyway. If you disagree, tell me how you find it.

I intended to put up the charts of four anonymous women next time.

I did intend to compose together everybodies comments in relation to each particular chart, which makes for an interesting compositional analysis, but that would take me ages, although I may do it yet.

Anyway, just popped in to respond, but there's loads of new posts and my inbox is flashing away at me, so I'm off for a read and I'll come back onto the thread later.

t-square, the chart style is Astrodienst, I think it's called 'Kundig style with aspect wheel', and it's available in the drop down list.

Frisiangal. My apologies. I really ought to have asked you whether you prefer mean or true nodes, but I thought it was like a Placidus house thing, where nearly everyone uses true. I of course opt for 'true', being the Saturnian Virgo that I am, but I should have asked, sorry. I'll remember in future.

Anyway, I'll pop back to this thread. I'm off to explore a little.
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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

Okay, this is long overdue.

I have decided to compile together parts of everybodies comments in relation to each chart.

What I have done is to select the comments of two types, those that we can take for granted as being relative to the person, according to what they are known for, and those comments, that might relate to that individual, but are purely speculative and we cannot confirm one way or another, therefore, these comments are highlighted in italics, in order to differentiate. I have to use my judgement to differentiate one type of comment from another, but please don't harangue me if you disagree, this isn't the easiest task and it will take me some time. I want to do this because I consider it respectful to applaud everyone for there observations.

Where a person guessed the person's occupation correctly, I have included this. Where the person was guessed incorrectly, I haven't because this was not the main objective of the exercise, and the purpose of this post isn't to show the people up that got it 'wrong', but it's fair to congratulate those got it 'right'.

I have only included statements as to the possible nature of the native, not comments which constitute an observation as to how you came to draw your conclusions, such as 'Mars in Scorpio is conjunct the ascendant', for example, as this doesn't tell us anything, it's just an observation.

Like I say, even where the guess was 'wrong', the descriptions were often eerily applicable to the person who the horoscope belonged to, so here goes.

Horoscope #1: Andrew Okum AKA 'Al Parker', **** star:

Arian Maverick:

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...this one particularly indicate themes of fame and power to me, and the possible abuse of it.
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...this person has a spiritual goal to focus less upon the limelight and the outside world of fame and prestige in order to retreat into an inner world focussed more upon community than self
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Well, as an exhibitionist he was certainly in the limelight, but for all we know, it may have indeed been his spiritual goal to retreat within, we will never know, so the comment it italicised.

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...an emotional need to be held in high regard and prestige


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...emotional security through the power of fame.


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...this chart to belongs to the adult movie star
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...many opportunities to visit strange lands while filming on the various sets of his movies.
Now, what I found interesting about many of the responses was that so many people were mentioning the ninth house in association with travel. Travel may not have characterised Okum's life, but fantasy certainly did, and fantasy is another ninth house concern. So I suppose he did travel to 'strange lands' while filming, in mind and in circumstance if not physically going abroad, which is why I didn't italicise this comment.

Certain houses can mean several things, for example, Muhammed Ali's life was more notable for clashes with open enemies, than for his love life, and yet both lover and enemies are found in the seventh, but how are we to discern whether the seventh will mean more about enemies for some and lovers for others, such as in the chart of Casanova for example? Why is it that in Okum's chart, the ninth pertains more for fantasies than to travel? This is a question I will attempt to tackle when I offer my own analysis of the charts, but I wish to enlist a bit of advice from the members of Skyscript before I do so.

Flea:

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...power is an issue.


Lissa:

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...comfortable being in the public eye.
As an exhibitionist, we can certainly take that for granted. Although this could relate to Ali and Van Praagh.

Shining Ray:

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Maybe this individual doesn't feel he fits into society in some way.
Yes, I'm pretty sure we can take this for granted, he was after all, a homosexual **** star in the seventies.

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...a confinement of some sort for this individual.


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...his morals right or wrong
Yes, there could be sense in this for a pornographer.

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...maybe he breaks the law.


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...issues of self worth for this person.


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Emotions, anger, can be excessive.


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...secretive emotions, destructive emotions


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...emotions are controlled


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...emotional and sexual addictions


Sex was certainly a great interest, but we can't confirm an 'addiction' as such.

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...fears linked with loss, betrayal, abandonment, can create a fundamental fear of intimacy.


Perhaps in relationships if not in sex.

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...person must learn the value of emotional and sexual commitment versus following every compulsive desire.


Astromony.

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...a strong mothering influence


We just don't know, maybe.

Tim.

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...there is an interest in being "on stage" in the outer world
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...easiness with sexual performance at an early age


Probably very true, but we can't confirm it or take it for granted, but I would say so, italicised none the less.

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Sex is something they are personally active in
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...very expansive in their physical relationships
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**** star
Astrobhadauria.

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...can make killing works


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...person always busy in the meeting with lower catogary’s persons


Very interesting comment, but it has been italicised, because whether or not homosexuals and **** stars are 'lower category persons', is a value judgement.

Starlink.

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...the actor
Well, **** stars are not renowned for their acting ability, but it's obvious you meant the **** star, so yes.

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...he was employed as a moviestar
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He could have been a workoholic
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...incredibly strong physically, great stamina.
Yes, I decided not to italicise this, if we think of this comment in terms of sexual activity.

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...someone who had a secret fear


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...showing off his physique
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...occupied with your body
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...bit of a show-off.
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...enormous power in his career.


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attractive, jovial sort of man.
Attractive yes, and jovial because I make his temperament sanguine, but that's my opinion, so italicised none the less.

tsquare.

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I see person who needs to be in the spotlight and is very athletically able and passionate.
Spotlight and passion indeed, don't know about the athletic ability, but we can still see how it fits.

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Im going with pornstar.
Carole.

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...lots of physical and psychic energy needing an outlet.
The physical energy we can take for granted, but the psychic energy, we don't know.

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...a very strong amorous nature
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...may show off
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He probably has a narcissistic need to be liked and admired.


Had to italicise this, we just don't know for sure, but he probably was a narcissist, yes.

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...could be a cheerful and magnetic person


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...making him defensive, insecure, fearful of rejection and underestimate his self-worth.


Again, had to italicise, but this theme crops up again and again.

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...clouded perception between reality and fantasy
Good, although italicised none the less.

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...mental restlessness and confusion.


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...a good deal of intuition but also too much emotionalism.


Twiggy.

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Extreme willpower, 'kills' the competition, fights to the last breath.


Frisiangal.

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...bring the deep feeling within in a dramatic way to the public.


I felt no need to italicise this, we can take it for granted.

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The natural trait to delve into that which cannot be physically seen and touched and give it an existence.


Excellent! Even if you were unwittingly using the 'true' BM.

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Phew! It was my intention to go through each chart, but I think I will go through the comments on each chart separately as I'm getting rather tired of this now, but well done everyone!

I will go through the other three charts, each in separate posts.
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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

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Excellent! Even if you were unwittingly using the 'true' BM.
Not really. MEAN BML was but 5 degrees further in Leo in the case of porno star.
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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

Draco, i said about chart #1 "strong mothering influence" because his moon is conjunct pluto in the 10th house. Moon and pluto are conjunct in my natal chart on the cusp of the 8th house and my mother has been a major influence for me and i've had to learn to set boundaries around her tendancy to try and control my life at times. I see i did not clarify this in the post. Your work to put together significant statements about the **** star's character is very thorough. I enjoyed reading it.
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