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Unread 03-05-2020, 05:08 PM
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Re: Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

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lol yeah that's pretty dumb
but I can tell you this

the mass majority of idiots who don't go to college are not going to avoid debt
it's because they don't value education nor do they understand how important it is to grab opportunities, and because they're too stupid for college lel

also, college isn't always about getting a job. getting a degree in poetry expands and makes one's mind deeper and beautiful. if you can afford a poetry degree, i don't see the problem in dropping the money for it. certainly better than dropping thousands on drugs or something
I can agree with that, but to some extent there are personal circumstances which can affect someone's decision.

Sometimes, in the short-term it is preferable for an individual to find an average paying job - instead of going to college, because there is an immediate need for income. That doesn't mean the person is stupid, just means it has other priorities.

I know plenty of people who in their 20's choose to get a rather profitable job, instead of attending college, only to pursue a college degree at a later age or 32-35 - when they had financial stability and could afford private college.

In my country private college can easily adapt to one's working schedule (every single college has night classes), so its not actually uncommon to see plenty of people in their 30's and 40's attending college classes in private schools. There is also no stigma attached to such thing.

But then again, this has to do with my country's economic instability which usually requires people to work so they can make a living, usually postponing education until a later date. Might not be the same in the U.S. for cultural reasons.

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Unread 03-05-2020, 05:39 PM
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lol yeah that's pretty dumb
but I can tell you this

the mass majority of idiots who don't go to college are not going to avoid debt
it's because they don't value education nor do they understand how important it is to grab opportunities, and because they're too stupid for college lel

also, college isn't always about getting a job. getting a degree in poetry expands and makes one's mind deeper and beautiful. if you can afford a poetry degree, i don't see the problem in dropping the money for it. certainly better than dropping thousands on drugs or something
People that CHOOSE not to go to college are not idiots. Sometimes they donít understand the wealth opportunity to study or their own potential. Most the time itís something in their chart.

Be aware of unconscious bias
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Re: Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

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People that CHOOSE not to go to college are not idiots. Sometimes they donít understand the wealth opportunity to study or their own potential. Most the time itís something in their chart.

Be aware of unconscious bias
Totally. Also I don't really buy it that those who went to college are smart and those who never attended are dumb. I myself went to university and I have met plenty of university graduates who are dumb as door-knobs. Likewise, I've known those who went straight into apprenticeship positions and were highly articulate and intelligent people. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one with this experience either. Besides, given universities these days seem to be more about shoving propaganda down students' throats than about research and independent thinking, I'm not even sure it's worth it for any kid to attend anymore. Imo it's much more valuable to learn real life skills, have strong common sense and good critical thinking, and going to university is hardly the only path towards achieving that. A lot of overly-educated people can lack these skills surprisingly.
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Re: Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

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Yeah how convinient right?

Your attitude towards Trump supporters, implying they are "uneducated" is one of the most condecendent and rude things you've said on this thread about them ---- but its totally ok for you to say such things because of *(insert personal origin story imposible to verify)*

Yeah because people on the left never lie about themselves or their situation to win an argument correct?

I'll believe that story about yourself.... just like everyone else believes Elizabeth Warren is an indian.


I didn't mean to imply that I thought ALL Trump supporters are "uneducated" only the ones I know personally growing up. In the 1950s, and 1960s, very few girls I knew went on to college or a higher education after graduating high school. This was usually the domain of the guys in our crowd, and most of them were avoiding Vietnam when they could. I'd say ALL of them have street smarts as I did. Out of a group of 20 , only one went to college, and that was more like a community college back then and then a secretarial school. She went onto join the Peace Corps (started by JFK's brother in law), and traveled to exotic places...) Today she works at the DC Center for Disease Control. Her parents escaped the Ukraine during the War, and there is a story she told us about escaping in a horse with covered wagon.



Oftentimes, just travel overseas and especially living overseas for a period of time, can add a wealth of understanding you'll never get on one's couch at home.



It just so happens the "gang" I had as friends growing up in the 60s, were ethnic oriented in an ethnically non-diverse neighborhood, which open their arms to all sorts of "outsiders" such as gays, blacks, etc. although most were Catholic school kids, polish background (Ukrainian and poles as well as from other European countries after WW2 ended) and the parents moved here.
I suppose it would be correct to say 1st and 2nd generation Europeans.


Yet, they were open to all kids and weren't in the least bit snobby. That part I truly liked about my friends and was proud to have known all of them.


The hurt came when 5 decades later, they were still living the Vietnam War era was something to be proud of having "served" in and live it everyday as a badge of honor.


I noticed only my our friend with the higher education who had traveled around the world in the Peace Corps knew better then to say, "America , love it or leave it". The "love it or leave it crowd" as seniors today, simply not got off their proverbial couches nor apparently took that much interest in self-study. I still love them just for who they once were of course, although we have nothing much in common anymore even for FB talk. How can you possibly communicate with people who tell you "don't confuse me with facts".



Sad.

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I have 3 daughters, only two are now alive. One of them, (the middle girl) went on to higher education, and of course we were very proud of her because she did it all on her own without any kind of financial help from us (other then books)
I told the girls, IF they wanted to pursue a higher education, we would help them out, but only this one decided to do so. The other two became wives and moms but still worked outside the home now and then (mostly volunteerism, as our family has a strong history of volunteering)


The middle daughter who sought out the higher ed after high school in a local community college for four years, had always been interested in helping those with AIDS back when it was a horror to even so contemplate doing so. Life has a way of happening while you are doing something else the saying goes. For her, I recall the evening in her junior year she hadn't done an assignment, and I was going to the local library. I asked her if she wanted a book because we both read a lot in our home.
She said "yes, anything short because I forgot this assignment and its due tomorrow or Monday. Perhaps it was Sat. evening when I went.,


I looked for the newer books and found one written by a boy named Ryan White. Yes, it turned out to be "the" Ryan White of Elton John/Aids fame that was yet to happen. Ryan had written a bio about how he contracted Aids through an infected needle, and he wanted to help inform other kids what to expect in social circles, school.



She devoured that book, and took a State prize that year from the newly formed Gov's task force for Aids. (I still have that certificate from school in my closet)



Long story short. Besides working for the Police Dept. (she liked that too), volunteering as a teenager on long rides at night patrol; when she moved with us to the west, she worked on Radio reading to the blind. After that she went back to ASU, got her degree all while working at a non-profit Aids program in town. After that she worked for the Police Dept. then again with the Aids for the State when ACA (Obamacare) was passed and she had to meet with the DC officials who came into town to start the program in the prisons, changing everything around.


You know what they say? What goes around comes around?


Guess whose Federal Grant block, (a larger money grant) she was given protocol to be in charge of for Phoenix during this time? The mother of Ryan White, who my daughter got to know during this time. Ryan, her son; was long dead but not forgotten. And it all started from a seed, a kernel from a library book that grew.


We taught our daughters to be as independent minded as we are.



School or no school, it was up to them. One does not need school to learn if one has an exercised brain and loves to be self-taught. However, as with this daughter, the College Master's degree moved her up throughout the State into a more lucrative medical field today. Thats good, because she supports the guy (significant other)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White


https://hab.hrsa.gov/about-ryan-whit...ivaids-program


Over the last 28 years, HRSA’s Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program has played a critical role in the United States’ public health response to HIV. The Program serves as an important source of ongoing access to HIV medication that can enable people living with HIV to live close to normal lifespans. In 2017, 85.9 percent of Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program clients were virally suppressed, exceeding the national average of 59.8 percent.
First authorized in 1990, the Program is funded at $2.34 billion in fiscal year 2018. The Program is administered by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), HIV/AIDS Bureau (HAB).


Here is Ryan White's natal chart if anyone wants to see it. I was expecting to see Fomalhaut (in Pisces 1st decan Persian star) because of the fame of his name living on, long after he is gone....


As it turns out, his Sun in Sag (ruler Jupiter) is square Mars in Pisces
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/White,_Ryan

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Re: Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

IF anyone has an idea of why Ryan White's natal chart does not show us Fomalhaut, the Royal star of a famed name that lives on after death, I checked his Parans (the Brady Parans), but nope, not there either! His helical Rising star is Antares, with the given tob, based on the following which seems quite accurate:


I suppose I could always check the 3 main events of his life besides his birth.



https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/White,_Ryan

Source Notes

Glen Olson sent Sy Scholfield a copy of an email reply he received from the Genealogy Assistant at Kokomo-Howard County Public Library: "In the Kokomo Tribune, Tuesday, Dec. 7, 1971, p. 5, is this birth announcement: 'At St. Joseph Memorial Hospital WHITEóMr. and Mrs. Hubert White, 509 W. Monroe St., a boy, Ryan Wayne, 7 pounds, 8 Ĺ ounces, at 1:49 p.m. Monday. The mother is the former Miss Jeanne Hale.'"
Scholfield later provided a copy of this birth notice.





Any ideas would be appreciate for me to mull over.
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