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Agreed, we can survive. I suppose.

Its only the uneducated people who believe in the "commie" accusation. (imo) More schooled college educated people respect Democratic Socialism from what I read.
Yeah that is a nice strategy. Politicians should do policy based on what the affluent and college-educated gender studies graduate believes is better for the country.

Instead, you should ignore and be condecending to the hard-working blue collar Trump supporter who is affording the tax bill that pays for most of that free stuff berniebro's want to have for free.

Because that would be totally the better idea right? After all, bernie supporters are college educated and thus better according to leomoon.
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Yeah that is a nice strategy. Politicians should do policy based on what the affluent and college-educated gender studies graduate believes is better for the country.

Instead, you should ignore and be condecending to the hard-working blue collar Trump supporter who is affording the tax bill that pays for most of that free stuff berniebro's want to have for free.

Because that would be totally the better idea right? After all, bernie supporters are college educated and thus better according to leomoon.
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Workers of the World UNITE, and throw off the chains of the effete intellectual class!!!
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Workers of the World UNITE, and throw off the chains of the effete intellectual class!!!
The working class in America is pretty united. Behind Trump, and form most of his base.

Most of the "intellectual class", at least the young college gradutes, support Bernie.

So by your statement Bernie supporters want to keep people in chains.
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Those hard-working, blue-collar employees don't NEED affordable medical coverage, and they don't WANT their kids to be able to afford college!!!

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The working class in America is pretty united. Behind Trump, and form most of his base.

Most of the "intellectual class", at least the young college gradutes, support Bernie.

So by your statement Bernie supporters want to keep people in chains.
It's a Communistic slogan, which you are espousing.
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Those blue collar workers support mostly Trump - Those college educted intellectual kids who want free college are bernie supporters.

So by your statement, the bernie supporters want to keep the Trump supporters in chains, so they can live off their taxes.

Seriously david look at the statement you wrote in the post above, and realise who is who. If you were truly a person who defended the working class families of the U.S. you would rally behind Trump. But you are supporting bernie and his intellectuals, so he can keep your fellow citizens in chains.
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Trump never worked a day in in his life. He stiffed the contractors who worked for him, and pays minimum wage to his employees. Trump as the "champion of the working class" is a bad joke.
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It's a Communistic slogan, which you are espousing.

I know, and it was an ironic statement back then, as it is now.

The bolshevik revolution's leadership, who carried out numerous massacres on their own people, were "intellectuals". Lenin was actually a college-educated russian, a privilege at the time. Most of his fellow communists were also his college mates. In fact lenin was part of the political aristocracy subservient to the Tsar.

He was by no means "working class".
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Trump never worked a day in in his life. He stiffed the contractors who worked for him, and pays minimum wage to his employees. Trump as the "champion of the working class" is a bad joke.
But he is the champion of the working class.

Whether you want to admit it or not, blue-collar workers are doing much better under him. Wages are up, unemployment is down, and the economy under him was pretty stable (disregarding events outside of Trump's control such as the coronavirus outbreak).

Most working class citizens are happy with Trump's presidency. And this is just fact, which has been confirmed by multiple surveys, and even acknowledged by democrats and the opposition media. Support for him on working class families has not wavered one bit.
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people can be happy for delusional reasons
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But he is the champion of the working class.


Whether you want to admit it or not, blue-collar workers are doing much better under him. Wages are up, unemployment is down, and the economy under him was pretty stable (disregarding events outside of Trump's control such as coronavirus).


Most working class citizens are happy with Trump's presidency. And this is just fact, which has been confirmed by multiple surveys, and even awknowledged by democrats and the opposition media.
Obama saved the blue-collar jobs at G.M., and brought factory jobs from Canada into the U.S. Doesn't that make him a "champion of the working-class as well"?
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people can be happy for delusional reasons
People voted for him because they wanted an improvement.

He delivered the improvement, otherwise they wouldn't be that happy.

No need to be condecending to them just because you dislike the fact that, for better or worse, they do support him.
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Obama saved the blue-collar jobs at G.M., and brought factory jobs from Canada into the U.S. Doesn't that make him a "champion of the working-class as well"?
If that were true, why didn't blue collar workers voted in mass for the democratic candidate HRC who was a member of the Obama administration then? Given such administration had, according to you, saved their jobs.
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If that were true, why didn't blue collar workers voted in mass for the democratic candidate HRC who was a member of the Obama administration then? Given such administration had, according to you, saved their jobs.
It is true, whether it transferred over to Hillary or not.
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Dirius, MANY blue-collar workers can use affordable health-care assistance, and hope their kids will be able to afford to attend college. Why are you assuming otherwise?
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It is true, whether it transferred over to Hillary or not.
But it means that clearly, the working class did not see the democratic candidate as their champion.

A succesful and popular presidency usually leads to a "third" term by an ideological succesor.

Ronald Raegan, whether good or bad, had a succesful and popular two-term presidency (with even democrat voters supporting many of his policy). This is why Bush sr. was able to win by a landslide in 1988, leading to a "third" republican term.

But Bush wasn't popular or succesful, and thus why he was defeated after only one term.
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Dirius, MANY blue-collar workers can use affordable health-care assistance, and hope their kids will be able to afford to attend college. Why are you assuming otherwise?

Because I think they know that state sponsored college and health-care are not free, and establishing such system would also increase their taxes on a massive scale.

Besides most blue collar workers actually have health-care coverage, if they are employed. And because of such a low rate of unemployment, most of them are so far covered.

So in truth, its not on their priority list.
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Because I think they know that state sponsored college and health-care are not free, and establishing such system would also increase their taxes on a massive scale.

Besides most blue collar workers actually have health-care coverage, if they are employed. And because of such a low rate of unemployment, most of them are so far covered.

So in truth, its not on their priority list.
You're sure they don't want their kids to be able to afford to attend college?
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You're sure they don't want their kids to be able to afford to attend college?

Kids from working class families attend college every single day. The better the economy is doing, the more stuff people can afford. And the more competition the better.

In fact if you remove the federal government involvement from education, prices would go down making college more accesible and affordable by anyone: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...-to-be-2015-11
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Speaking of "champions of the working-class"

In 1935, FDR signed into law the Social Security Act, which included Workman's Compensation for job-related injuries and illnesses. In 1968, LBJ fought for worker-safety regulations, which Nixon signed into law in 1970. Trump has already weakened those, creating exemptions for employers in hazardous industries.

This economy would be doing well without Trump, who never misses an opportunity to take credit where credit isn't due.
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Kids from working class families attend college every single day. The better the economy is doing, the more stuff people can afford. And the more competition the better.

In fact if you remove the federal government involvement from education, prices would go down making college more accesible and affordable by anyone: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...-to-be-2015-11
Regardless of what could be done about it, college has become unaffordable for the working poor. That is what these over-inflated college loans are all about.
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People voted for him because they wanted an improvement.

He delivered the improvement, otherwise they wouldn't be that happy.

No need to be condecending to them just because you dislike the fact that, for better or worse, they do support him.
They voted for him because they didn't want HRC. That included States won in the previous election by Obama/Biden.
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Speaking of "champions of the working-class"

In 1935, FDR signed into law the Social Security Act, which included Workman's Compensation for job-related injuries and illnesses. In 1968, LBJ fought for worker-safety regulations, which Nixon signed into law in 1970. Trump has already weakened those, creating exemptions for employers in hazardous industries.

This economy would be doing well without Trump, who never misses an opportunity to take credit where credit isn't due.
You do know social security is theft right?

The amount of money a woker gives to the government in the 47 years of active work-life is much larger than what they will receive in the last 20 years of their life. And back in the 30's, when it was established and life expectancy was much lower, they would have been lucky if they lived long enough to even see that money.

This is why most people opt-in for privately sponsored retirement plans such as 401k's, which are private, and pay much better.
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You do know social security is theft right?

The amount of money a woker gives to the government in the 47 years of active work-life is much larger than what they will receive in the last 20 years of their life. And back in the 30's, when it was established and life expectancy was much lower, they would have been lucky if they lived long enough to even see that money.

This is why most people opt-in for privately sponsored retirement plans such as 401k's, which are private, and pay much better.
It includes the Workman's Compensation program. Are you against that, as well as unemployment insurance and worker safety-laws?
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Regardless of what could be done about it, college has become unaffordable for the working poor. That is what these over-inflated college loans are all about.
Thats because government backed-student loans inflates rates by allowing universities to increase tuition price - so they can make more profit. There is a correlation between college becoming more expensive and government backed loans being created in the 1960's.
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