david starling
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One of them is an I.RS. Agent!!!
Well, alright, that would scare just about anyone!
One of them is an I.RS. Agent!!!
AppLeo, there's a socialist hiding under your bed.
Dirius, there are two socialists hiding in your closet.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
AppLeo, there's a socialist hiding under your bed.
Dirius, there are two socialists hiding in your closet.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
What's happening to the migrant children the Trump administration has disappeared?
Dirius, it is horrifying what happened to your family members. Obviously I meant them no disrespect, and had no way of knowing about your family experiences.
But this is a thread about a progressive Democratic American politician. There is a huge difference between someone like presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who calls himself a democratic socialist, and a socialist revolutionary soldier. There is a big difference between the governments of Scandinavia today and the USSR under a brutal dictator.
This doesn't mean you'd want Bernie Sanders for president or to live in Scandinavia, but just to point out differences among socialists.
Dirius, I am sorry for what your country suffered. But please delineate between different kinds of socialism.
I get the Washington Post new app. They recently did a historical article on the city of Milwaukee, which had a socialist mayor most of the time from about 1910 to 1960. The mayors campaigned on a promise to clean up corruption. Somehow Milwaukee turned out OK. I suspect that the influence of Big Labour in a then-heavily industrial city made a difference.
Look, I'm not going to the mat for Bernie Sanders. I wouldn't vote for him. I've read several books about Scandinavia, however. Most Scandinavians are OK with the taxes because of all the benefits they get in return. If they get sick or unemployed, they're covered.
My (correct) point is that all socialists are not the same.
Thanks for that, Leo. I got downvoted all to hell on reddit once for pointing out that the snow countries are very business and start-up friendly, and are not socialist.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist
Thanks for that, Leo. I got downvoted all to hell on reddit once for pointing out that the snow countries are very business and start-up friendly, and are not socialist.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist
No one likes the truth, especially since the only good argument socialists have are the nordic countries.
Unfortunately, they aren't. The diference lies in the predominent culture, and national identity. Because of this, socialism is pandered in a different manner to each different culture. But the underline is the same. Chavez began like bernie, just a guy with a political opinion. And the change in Venezuela was slow, because it tooks them 20 years to ruin it.
And how is it different? Lets say I don't want to pay the exhorbitant taxes in my country and I just wish to pay for the services I actually use, because it is my money. What would happen in Norway? or Sweden? or Denmark? I would go to jail. What does going to jail mean? It means a bunch of armed guys would enter my home, restrain me, and put me in a holding cell against my will. That is a violent act against my person, for the sole reason I want to keep the money I earned for myself. Sending armed police officers for wanting to keep my own money. So any person that is in favour of high taxation, by definition is in favour of doing violent acts against other individuals, specially when they demand othe people from paying more than they consume.
So ANY type of marxists, be it a "socialist-democrat" or a "communist", wants to the same. To bring harm to others if they oppose them.
Unfortunately, they aren't. The diference lies in the predominent culture, and national identity. Because of this, socialism is pandered in a different manner to each different culture. But the underline is the same. Chavez began like bernie, just a guy with a political opinion. And the change in Venezuela was slow, because it tooks them 20 years to ruin it.
And how is it different? Lets say I don't want to pay the exhorbitant taxes in my country and I just wish to pay for the services I actually use, because it is my money. What would happen in Norway? or Sweden? or Denmark? I would go to jail. What does going to jail mean? It means a bunch of armed guys would enter my home, restrain me, and put me in a holding cell against my will. That is a violent act against my person, for the sole reason I want to keep the money I earned for myself. Sending armed police officers for wanting to keep my own money. So any person that is in favour of high taxation, by definition is in favour of doing violent acts against other individuals, specially when they demand othe people from paying more than they consume.
So ANY type of marxists, be it a "socialist-democrat" or a "communist", wants to the same. To bring harm to others if they oppose them.
What happens if you can't afford your medical care, your food, rent, or your mortgage? The man with a gun will throw you out in the street, to fend for yourself. And, if you resort to crime in order to survive , will throw you in prison.
We do have a different type of "socialistic" ideology, called "Social-Darwinism", which advocates letting the economically disadvantaged die off, since equating human worth with the ability to function well enough in a non-regulated Capitalist economic system, makes them "inferior" human beings. One author actually labeled such people "giant rats"!
Dirius, are you actually equating the situation in Venezuela, which is almost entirely dependant on the price of oil, with the economy of the U.S.?
Btw, I don't recall Bernie advocating the Government takeover of the Oil-Industry. Can you quote him on that?